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[JJDrakken]

Dragon Age 2
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3 play sessions with a 4th(just finished ACT1)
Total Hours: 104.2hrs
Cash spent on Game: $65.03+$7.00(Sebastian Vael)

Dragon Age: Origins/Awakenings
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5 play sessions
Total Hours: 266.7hrs
Cash Spent on Game: $27.36(Steam Sale), if not on Sale: $45.03

Something sure don't add up.  -nods- Your a sly one Bioware E.A, your a sly one.

Edit: steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198010899240/
To show I am not making up the hours invested.

JJ

Modifié par JJDrakken, 21 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[Sammyjb]

Minus awakening and all DLC time. And make DA: O full price.

That is more fair.

[JJDrakken]

Still you can subtract the what 5hrs tops from awakening play session, so that's 25hrs off 266.7hrs.
Still it's just don't add up right.

-nods-

JJ

[Sammyjb]

....in what Universe is Awakenings 5 hours?

[XX-Pyro]

A game + an expansion pack vs a game. Very logical and informative comparison you have. OK let's do it this way, $120 (60 each, full retail console price) for Awakening and Origins. I will use your playthrough hours since I don't have mine yet.

60% of 255 is about 150 (or whatever number)

The 60% comes from the fact that you have done 3/5 the playthrough for DA2.

Now take whatever number that is, and divide it by two (since most people paid double for Origins+Expansion) and you have your total hour value.

In that regard, DA2 is more bang for your buck compared to Origins & Awakening.

If you were comparing just to Origins, yes it would be a better cash/time investment ratio, but you are trying to act smart by incorporating Awakening too so there ya go.

[naughty99]

DAO - 60 hrs or so for first playthrough, another 60 hrs or so with replays, Awakenings, Darkspawn Chronicles, Witch's Hunt, etc.
DA2 - 107 hrs and still at level 18 on my first playthrough in Act 2

Nightmare mode is a lot more challenging and fun compared with DAO.

Modifié par naughty99, 21 mars 2011 - 05:26 .

[JJDrakken]

XX-Pyro wrote...

A game + an expansion pack vs a game. Very logical and informative comparison you have. OK let's do it this way, $120 (60 each, full retail console price) for Awakening and Origins. I will use your playthrough hours since I don't have mine yet.

60% of 255 is about 150 (or whatever number)

The 60% comes from the fact that you have done 3/5 the playthrough for DA2.

Now take whatever number that is, and divide it by two (since most people paid double for Origins+Expansion) and you have your total hour value.

In that regard, DA2 is more bang for your buck compared to Origins & Awakening.

If you were comparing just to Origins, yes it would be a better cash/time investment ratio, but you are trying to act smart by incorporating Awakening too so there ya go.

Wrong.

First off, Shale/Soldiers Peak are about total of total of one hour, maybe hour n half combined.
You can do Witch Hunt & GoA in about the same time each.

So, again, 5hours total for 5 play sessions of DA:A, then  10 more hours for W.H. & GoA, and 5hrs for both Shale/S.P.

Thats going be minus 40 hours tops.  So thats 226.7 Hours in 5 play sessions, Thus again, proving my point.  DA:O is better game for a better cost(even at the time of sale).  Compared to DA2 which is less time, more money, & not as great of a game.(My opinion, which is shared by a large amount of gamers).  We as gamers some how allowed the Game Industry to tell us it's ok they can give us half ass games full of bugs & issues at high end prices, we can accept that.  They'll get around fixing it when they feel like they need to release a DLC for more money.

That's what it comes out too, we shouldn't accept that, here let me break it down to even simplier terms for fellow DA 2 folks.  EA is Meridith, Bioware are the Templars, Gamers are the Mages.  


JJ

[JJDrakken]

Sammyjb wrote...

....in what Universe is Awakenings 5 hours?

Probably less to be honest, Once you finish your first run through, everything usually pretty automatic auto pilot then, you can cruise through pretty fast.  I did it in a morning once, before I headed out do things for rest of the day.  What takes most your "Time" is listening to dialog, if you just hit ESC through 95% of it, it cuts out quite a bit of time.


JJ

[XX-Pyro]

I don't know how to argue with someone comparing a Game, Expansion Pack, and several branches of DLC (which apparently cost 0 in his world,) to a game which apparently costs more than 3x all of this (see; $65.00+$7.00 for DA2 vs $21.30 for DA:O/A/GoA/WH.)

So sure, I don't see your logic, but I agree with the point that games we are getting shouldn't be bugged. Other then that you need to seriously recheck your comparison, it's absurd.

[Oneiropolos]

...So since you're trying to rally us to the cause, does that make you Anders or Orsino? Cuz either way, it wouldn't be making you look good. Just saying. >.>

And I really don't think it's reliable to say "Taking up your time is listening to most of the dialog". I mean, that's like saying "See, the reason a TV series is so much longer than a movie is because there's more characterization. If you fast forward through 'unnecessary' scenes to the core plot of whether they're going to save the Cheerleader and save the world, then you'd have SUCH a shorter series!" (I apologize. It was the only series that had such a definitive plot that came to mind so quickly. I suppose you could say "If you just want to know what the Doctor's real name is, just don't watch the series yet!" and be even quicker?) For me, the dialog of Awakening WAS the fun part of an otherwise fairly dreary expansion. And I'm on my fourth playthrough of DAII (I keep finding things to tweak so I get slightly new things occurring) and I still only rarely ESC through any of it.

That isn't to say that I think you're wrong on DA:O being a better value, because overall, I do feel it was. I invested a lot more time in the core game alone. And I still haven't explored A LOT of options in DA:O. It's only because DAII is so much shorter that I'm exploring even evil options that there's no way I would have ever chosen to RP out otherwise. But let's be fair. I think the devs have shown in interviews and in forum posts that they A) agree reusing areas was something that ended up being way too obvious and needed more attention, B)That some decisions in story and romance options could have been handled better. They tried some new things, some of them worked out (like mages being very fun to play now, I couldn't trudge through as a mage in DA:O) and some of them they got slapped on the hand for and I think they're shaking the sting out and contemplating how not to make the same errors next time.

Modifié par Oneiropolos, 21 mars 2011 - 04:11 .

[Zenstrive]

I am not gonna argue the numbers,
I am just amazed that you can have THREE playthroughs in two weeks.
I envy your life......

[izmirtheastarach]

I find the idea of arguing this kind of hilarious. I paid 45 bucks for the game through a Direct2Drive promo, but let's just take 60 as what I normally would have paid for it.

My first 100% complete playthrough took just under 60 hours. Hence, I have clearly gotten my monies worth out of the game already. Anything beyond that, it terms of replay value, is just gravy.

But to compare the two products based on the amount of time that you personally decided to put into it is just silly. I could purchase a 10 dollar cave shooter and replay it thousands of times, and put hundreds of hours into it. Would that then mean that all games that I don't play for hundreds of hours are less valuable?

If you enjoyed the experience, then the game was worth your money. If you did not, then don't but the next one. That's the only thing you can do.

[Mandroid71]

Wow, lots of different time experiences. My first play through of DA:O took me about 90 hours, and I didn't feel like I explored all of the options.

My first play through of DA 2 (which I just completed tonight) took me about 46 hours. And I feel like I explored all but 5% of the options.

I'm not sure how people got 60 plus hours out of this game, I'm not a power gamer, didn't advance superfast through the game, and did just about every quest (ended at level 20 missed Fenris quest... I doubt having him adds 15 hours or more to the game though). I didn't spend hours reading all the codex entries, though I did generally skim them... is that where people are picking up the extra time? Doesn't seem like it would add more than another hour or two.... where are you spending your time?

[izmirtheastarach]

Mandroid71 wrote...

Wow, lots of different time experiences. My first play through of DA:O took me about 90 hours, and I didn't feel like I explored all of the options.

My first play through of DA 2 (which I just completed tonight) took me about 46 hours. And I feel like I explored all but 5% of the options.

I'm not sure how people got 60 plus hours out of this game, I'm not a power gamer, didn't advance superfast through the game, and did just about every quest (ended at level 20 missed Fenris quest... I doubt having him adds 15 hours or more to the game though). I didn't spend hours reading all the codex entries, though I did generally skim them... is that where people are picking up the extra time? Doesn't seem like it would add more than another hour or two.... where are you spending your time?

And I find that DAO consistently takes me only 47 hours to complete. So DA2 actually took me longer, though it does actually take into account reloading saves in it's time stamping, so who knows.

But this makes the point perfectly. I took 60, and ended at level 25. You took 46, and ended at level 20. In either case, we've both gotten more then enough play out of the game to justify a normal full price game purchase. Everyone is going to have a different experience, but there is no way anyone is not going to get there money's worth.

I think Dead Space 2 took me 7 hours, just as a random example, so the idea of complaining about the length of a game like DA2 seems just goofy.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 21 mars 2011 - 05:05 .

[Maria Caliban]

I played DA:O for 80 hours. I've played DA II for 73 hours. I'm not finished with DA II.

Payed the same amount for both.

That said, I invested cost and earned time. If you're investing time in a game, it had better be an MMO.

[Mandroid71]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Mandroid71 wrote...

Wow, lots of different time experiences. My first play through of DA:O took me about 90 hours, and I didn't feel like I explored all of the options.

My first play through of DA 2 (which I just completed tonight) took me about 46 hours. And I feel like I explored all but 5% of the options.

I'm not sure how people got 60 plus hours out of this game, I'm not a power gamer, didn't advance superfast through the game, and did just about every quest (ended at level 20 missed Fenris quest... I doubt having him adds 15 hours or more to the game though). I didn't spend hours reading all the codex entries, though I did generally skim them... is that where people are picking up the extra time? Doesn't seem like it would add more than another hour or two.... where are you spending your time?

And I find that DAO consistently takes me only 47 hours to complete. So DA2 actually took me longer, though it does actually take into account reloading saves in it's time stamping, so who knows.

But this makes the point perfectly. I took 60, and ended at level 25. You took 46, and ended at level 20. In either case, we've both gotten more then enough play out of the game to justify a normal full price game purchase. Everyone is going to have a different experience, but there is no way anyone is not going to get there money's worth.

I think Dead Space 2 took me 7 hours, just as a random example, so the idea of complaining about the length of a game like DA2 seems just goofy.

Izmirth-
How did you get to level 25, you playing on nightmare?  I played on 'normal' or whatever it is called.  I just don't see how I could have taken 60 hours, and I don't see how I could have got to level 25, there just wasn't enough monsters to kill for me to get to 25 from my point of view.

[JJDrakken]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I played DA:O for 80 hours. I've played DA II for 73 hours. I'm not finished with DA II.

Payed the same amount for both.

That said, I invested cost and earned time. If you're investing time in a game, it had better be an MMO.

Do you guys just stand around jerk your gerkin for 10hrs at at time?(Sitting there reading the Codex doesn't count, If that's case they could just make M.U.D.s then)

My very first play session was exactly 34hrs.  I skipped 5 Missions(4 where find X item missions, I didn't want to look), 1 was bugged.

Last 2, I did every mission I had aviable, minus the 1 bugged mission.  I play on Normal, I guess Nightmare is fun for folks & from what I hear takes longer, but this game shouldn't be catered to Diff Settings for length & fun.  I should already be that way at a normal setting.  Again, folks will just take anything anymore, hope someone pats them on head, while taking the shaft.

JJ

Modifié par JJDrakken, 21 mars 2011 - 05:40 .

[JJDrakken]

I got to 24 with my 1st/2nd play session, somehow I got to 25 with my 3rd(My rogue), I also noticed each time you play, it seems more XP came.

I could be wrong mind you, but my 2H Warrior just hit 24 right before Meridith, I was almost 25 ending Meridith on my 2nd, & was well into 25 on my 3rd when I finished Meridith.

JJ

[Nathan Redgrave]

Compare a full-price game to a full-price game. Dragon Age: Origins was a full-price game when it came out, just like Dragon Age II is now.

[JJDrakken]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Compare a full-price game to a full-price game. Dragon Age: Origins was a full-price game when it came out, just like Dragon Age II is now.

Still was cheaper & longer then DA2.

JJ