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[CenturyCrow]

It seems Kirkwall seems well populated, with thugs, gangs, extremists and fanatics and little in the way of gray.

Doomed; no option to go back to Fereldon to raise eggplants.

[izmirtheastarach]

You can play through the whole game trying to find a compromise, a middle ground. You just can't make it work in the end. That's the whole point of what Anders does at the end. He takes that ability to find common ground out of your hands.

It's very easy to play a good character, but that doesn't mean you can do everything you want to do. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, is the phrase.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 21 mars 2011 - 05:15 .

[dreman9999]

xnoxiousx wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

It seems Kirkwall seems well populated, with thugs, gangs, extremists and fanatics and little in the way of gray.

Doomed; no option to go back to Fereldon to raise eggplants.

I hope town rots in hell. Serously its impossible to play a good character in da2 by my moral standards.

Its best to play evil since both sides are.

And that the moral of the story.....It's hard to be good.

[dreman9999]

xnoxiousx wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

You can play through the whole game trying to find a compromise, a middle ground. You just can't make it work in the end. That's the whole point of what Anders does at the end. He takes that ability to find common ground out of your hands.

It's very easy to play a good character, but that doesn't mean you can do everything you want to do. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, is the phrase.

Well its best to side with mages imo as good character.

You save inccoenrt people and it all ends the same.

Still dont like how its plays out.

If bioware actually did it in good way like depending on your choices you could actually make peace if you did right things.

But Anders blew up that peaceful salution.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 mars 2011 - 05:29 .

[WingsandRings]

What happens fight-wise at the end if you choose to take neither Orsino's nor Meredith's side?

[lx_theo]

It's like life, everything is corrupt. Pick the better of two evils.

[lx_theo]

@WingsandRings

You can't choose neither. Though in both endings you fight abomination Orsino and lyric maddened meredith

[izmirtheastarach]

And that is exactly the point. xnoxiousx , you said "Still dont like how its plays out.". If that is the way you feel, then they have accomplished what they set out to. It's not supposed to be a happy ending.

I hit the end of Mass Effect 2 on my first playthrough, and everything went exactly as I wanted it to. Yes that made me happy, but I have no argument for a game not allowing me to do something like that, because it means there really were no real, monumental choices to make. At least the Sophie's choice in ME1 was an actual choice.

[WingsandRings]

lx_theo wrote...

@WingsandRings

You can't choose neither. Though in both endings you fight abomination Orsino and lyric maddened meredith

Isn't there an option when Orsino and Meredith are ****ing at each other (just before it all goes down) that says "I choose neither side."  Obviously I didn't choose that (I chose mages) so maybe it forces you later, but I know that option was there initially.

[izmirtheastarach]

There is yes, but if you pick that option, Merideth still forces you to pick a side. As I recall, she does so immediately, so there is really no way around it.

[izmirtheastarach]

xnoxiousx wrote...

It could have been just as bad fighting both sides it would have been good imo so they both hate you.

I guess they could, but that sort of eliminates the point of most of the main story, which is intended to show you the problems with both sides, so that you are equipped to make an informed choice at the end. The fact that both sides are imperfect is kind of the point. You're basically picking two sides of the same coin, so in the end it's a personal decision.

[JJDrakken]

xnoxiousx wrote...

Just so say i sided with templars sure the leader was bad but i agree that there should be templars. The mage side semed to want to be 100% wtih no rules which i dont agree with they need to have an agree of not being to restricted but not 100% free.

Where is option to stay natural? Witcher aloud me to side with no one which was best because every side in game is corupt.

I hate how bioware is fourcing you to choose on idiot from another idiot.

Mages are wrong because there to powerful to be left with no rules

Templars are wrong because they due to much extreme things and treat them like there not human

Mage's wanted rules, they just wanted the proper rules to allow them to live as living creatures with rights & means to interact.  Templars are ment to be a safe guard, In Kirkwall they became judge, jury, & executioner, ignoring any basic rights they should have.

There was an Option to stay Natural?  I guess thats more a personal choice, do you eat organic only veggies? perhaps don't shave or your lifestyle I guess.  The Witcher would scream & shout at you, I don't quite recal that, perhaps you should turn your volume down. 

You hate that Bioware is ramming 4s at you & making you choose to be on an idiot, then be on another idiot? Sounds like some sex scene that Isabella & Zevran should be directing.

They are wrong eh?  If I recall they wanted rules, they wanted a proper goverment & legislation, that would properly handle all issues & give them even most basic rights, not to be locked up & turned into robots.  Would you want that?

Templars arn't wrong either per say, they just need to learn to leash thier actions & stop recruiting morons into the fold, doesn't help when your Commander is bat**** crazy either.

JJ

Modifié par JJDrakken, 21 mars 2011 - 05:53 .

[izmirtheastarach]

xnoxiousx wrote...

Actually there are quit few parts to let you have no opion or not get involved.

Why do they force us at end?

No, you're right about that. You aren't always forced to make a choice, but you are constantly being shown the differences, and all of the flaws of each side. Especially in Act 3, where the main quests give you one last chance to see them. But why force you to make a choice? Because the wanted to. That's the only real reason. It's the decision Bioware made about the story they wanted to tell.

[JJDrakken]

Anders is what you call a very weak plot device, here you take a beloved Companion in Awakening, then take his dislike of Templars & desire to be free & live a normal life.(he even said it was stupid for Libratarians to break away).

Then you shove one most disliked companions into his body, all sudden he becomes the Mage Tali-ban. Yah... quite stupid, they should just had someone else, but they wanted to prove they can screw with communities favorites. They just wisely avoided Allister, or they might show up to work with it on fire.

JJ

[Bathead]

dreman9999 wrote...
And that the moral of the story.....It's hard to be good.

As Mae West once said - "It has to be hard to be good."