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[DeaHamlet]

I don't know about anyone else... but I want a DLC where Sebastian invades and I get to kill him.
I wanted to kill him so badly, it's not even funny.

Even siding with templars I was still... you bastard, bring it on!  Hawke +3 have killed entire gangs over the years, waves of darkspawn, dragons... I will decimate you and whatever army your uptight religious ass can bring.

I love the fact that he gets all preachy and in some banter Anders mocks him because he thinks Anders is single minded and yet Sebastian is all revenge and whatnots because someone killed his family.  Yet how many mages have been hunted, killed or at the very least ripped from their families and denied a family of their own?

Hypocrit! 
PS: In case anyone wonders, I only do Seb's missions for the XP, loot and money.  o.O

[Knight Templar_]

I think his friendship bonus is glitched like Isabela.
So I guess even if you did become friends you would get a punishment via bug.

[TeamLexana]

I wasn't upset over him getting ragetrantrumstompoff over letting Anders live, I'm more shocked more of the companions didn't do the same thing. The fool did just commit a crime of terrorism afterall.

I'm more upset that in one of the banters Sebastion is trying to get Fenris to turn in Hawke's mage friends to the Templars, wtf. If I was Hawke I'd turned around and beyatch slapped him, lol. Strangely even though Fenris clearly hates all mages he refuses to turn them in and tells Sebastion if he wants to turn them in, then he needs to take it up with Hawke.

[nos_astra]

DeaHamlet wrote...
I don't know about anyone else... but I want a DLC where Sebastian invades and I get to kill him.

Totally not hypocritical at all.

[LilyasAvalon]

He was a disappointing DLC and LI, I was over the moon when he was released but after meeting him in game and getting to know him? No thanks. =/

He had such potential too....

[DeaHamlet]

TeamLexana wrote...

I wasn't upset over him getting ragetrantrumstompoff over letting Anders live, I'm more shocked more of the companions didn't do the same thing. The fool did just commit a crime of terrorism afterall.

I'm more upset that in one of the banters Sebastion is trying to get Fenris to turn in Hawke's mage friends to the Templars, wtf. If I was Hawke I'd turned around and beyatch slapped him, lol. Strangely even though Fenris clearly hates all mages he refuses to turn them in and tells Sebastion if he wants to turn them in, then he needs to take it up with Hawke.

That's cause Fenris is all about loyalty.
Yeah, they had that banter in my game and I was just... WTF.  I wanted to slap him, I was miffed the game didn't give me that option.
I get that Sebastian is angry at my not killing Anders.  Okay, whatever, but threatening me with your non-existant army?  So immature and above all... so stupid.

Me (rogue or mage), Merrill, Fenris and (Anders/Aveline/Varric/Bethany, take your pick)... could decimate an entire army.  
Should you REALLY be threatening the champion?  Should you REALLY start a war with Kirkwall over Anders?  
It's dumb.  It's just as dumb as Meredith wanting to kill all mages for what Anders did (which Seb objects to).

He has a way of not seeing all the double standards he has.

[DeaHamlet]

klarabella wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...
I don't know about anyone else... but I want a DLC where Sebastian invades and I get to kill him.

Totally not hypocritical at all.

Wait, LOL, are you saying I'm hypocritical?

The man just threatened all of KIRKWALL cause I wouldn't kill Anders.  I think some death from me is more than justified.
Especially my playthrough where I sided with the templars and all along I was just trying to keep peace as long as I could.  Anders was my friend and it was sad... but he needed to go and protect his family and friends.  That was where his place was, not backstabbed by a friend for making a hard choice that NOBODY wanted to make even though compromise was really non-existent.
I'm trying to stop a war and you threaten me by saying you will bring an army on Kirkwall?  My city?
I found it unfair that my character did not get the choice to fight him then and there... hinding behind an army, coward.
I didn't hide behind anyone when the Arishok offered that we do mano-a-mano instead of getting it on with slaughter on both sides.  That's honour, douchebag Sebastian, not running off to amass an army against a whole city for MY decision.

So there.  But if you like to think I'm hypocritical, go on ahead.
It's not like Sebastian had the guts to fight Anders himself.  HA.  That'd be hilarious.

[nos_astra]

So what you're saying is, actually killing innocents and causing a civil war is okay, since Anders is your friend, while merely threatening to do so (for very understandable reasons) is punishable by death.

[Gamer Ftw]

No innocents were killed by Anders the only ones I saw in the chantry were sisters.
They are guilty of opression.

[Dave of Canada]

So, it's crazy to want revenge on somebody who just blew up a church filled with innocents and all your friends / comrades that you've known for the past 15 or so years, causing a war because of it that will most likely kill thousands more of innocents?

I mean, it's okay if you don't like the guy but don't dismiss his opinion as if it's crazy talk.

[nos_astra]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
No innocents were killed by Anders the only ones I saw in the chantry were sisters.
They are guilty of opression.

Even Anders admits that he's fully aware he just killed innocents.

[Gamer Ftw]

That doesn't mean he is correct they weren't innocent.

[Psycho_Kenshin]

I somehow found Sebastian to be pretty cool and respect him, even though he's against Anders and whatnot. A worthy rival. And by the way yes Anders killed innocents, you're diluting the story otherwise.

Now, Fenris, he was the guy who I didn't like. And killed.

Modifié par Psycho_Kenshin, 21 mars 2011 - 10:02 .

[DeaHamlet]

No, I said it's hypocritical to whine about Meredith wanting to kill all for one man's action and then want to wage war on Kirkwall for the actions of one woman, Hawke.

That's what I said.

As to my wanting to kill him, all my Hawkes take great offense to anyone wanting to kill them. And the Hawke that wants to defend the city and stop war does not take kindly to Sebastian threatening war against HER city.

So I'm saying Seb is a hypocrite and Hawke does not take kindly to threats against her friends or herself. Not saying anything about whether or not Hawke is right or wrong, just saying she wouldn't stand for it. And I am miffed that I don't get a chance to backstab Seb. Anyone else who betrays me, I can slice and dice. If Fenris is not a friend and he goes "oh no, mages are evil, how dare you side with them", I get a chance to chop him up in little pieces. If I'm on the templar side, either way I get to kill Anders... either backstabby-stabby or in battle as he protects his fellow mages. And Merrill, if she's not my friend, I get to dice her up too as she defends the mages.

But Seb... wth can I not dice him up? So I want a DLC where he tries to kill the champion and the champion dices him up for daring to threaten her (and Kirkwall alternatively).

I think it's very fair. I don't see why you are getting all agitated about it.
I think my point about Seb having double standards is very correct as well. He blames Meredith for being ruthless and blinded and when it comes to HIS revenge, he's just as bad. Hmm.

[DeaHamlet]

Also, notice that I'm more than willing to just kill Seb myself, I object to involving freaking armies and soldiers into this. Cause you know I'd just massacre all of them and what for? Cause Seb is a coward? BLECHS.
Anders at least sits there willing to take his medicine and be punished. He might be extreme, he does the only thing he can think of to unlock the stalemate... but he doesn't run off like a coward while the rest die. He said his piece, he's ready to die.

[nos_astra]

DeaHamlet wrote...
I don't see why you are getting all agitated about it.

Says the one who felt the need the post on the forum about how you need a DLC especially dedicated to giving you the opportunity to kill off a character who dared to threaten you in a moment of righteous fury.

My point is, almost every character has moments of hypocrisy. Anders has, Hawke has, Sebastian has. Nothing to get all agitated about.

Modifié par klarabella, 21 mars 2011 - 10:35 .

[DeaHamlet]

I'm not agitated, I just want some fun killing Seb.

I think people need to distinguish... my Hawke is all in flames wanting to decimate Seb, I'm just like LOL hypocrisy, and why does he get to be special and not be killed by Hawke?

But I admit. I probably would want a DLC to kill him either way. He was too preachy for my tastes.
Come on, if others can take so much joy in killing Anders, can't I get the satisfaction of having my Hawke kill Seb?

[Herr Uhl]

DeaHamlet wrote...

Come on, if others can take so much joy in killing Anders, can't I get the satisfaction of having my Hawke kill Seb?

No.

[Clover Rider]

Herr Uhl wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Come on, if others can take so much joy in killing Anders, can't I get the satisfaction of having my Hawke kill Seb?

No.

[DeaHamlet]

Herr Uhl wrote...

DeaHamlet wrote...

Come on, if others can take so much joy in killing Anders, can't I get the satisfaction of having my Hawke kill Seb?

No.

LOL.
Well that says it all then.

[Naamah_bb]

This has turned into yet another Anders is wrong/right thread.
But I agree, I really despise Sebastian. Really don't like the whole crybaby personality he has...

[Maria Caliban]

DeaHamlet wrote...
But if you like to think I'm hypocritical, go on ahead.

Thanks for the permission. I only like to think someone is hypocritical with their tact support.

[Rykoth]

Here's why Sebastian is justified.

Anders rebels against the Templars because:
- He doesn't like authority
- In Fereldan, in probably the Circle of Magi that looks like Hotel Hilton, he constantly escaped
- Obviously got anger issues coming from the Grey Wardens, who he also ditches (commitment issues much?)
- The Templars are mean, and he has Justice in him, and Justice became Vengeance

Sebastian is "single minded" because:
- His family was murdered

Now, IMO, Anders, while a cool character, deserves to be executed for what he's done. The stupid little rebel abomination blows up the Chantry with an innocent woman inside it. An innocent woman who may as well be the only family Sebastian has left (not bloodwise, but how close they are.)

I'm sorry, but I'd be threatening to rain death on Kirkwall too if Anders was spared and that happened to my family. It's called both speaking out of anger, sorrow, and having nothing left to lose.

[DeaHamlet]

Still doesn't mean he's not hypocritical.

And Fenris is super justified in his stance against mages, but I can still get to kill him in battle if he and Hawke don't see eye to eye. What makes Sebastian so super special that he doesn't get to die by my hand?

It's completely irrelevant if he is justified in his anger or not. I just want a chance to respond to his threat. Sitting there with no reaction to his outburst feels flat.

I can't kill Varric either but at least he's hilarious and I love him so. Pretty much everyone else I can kill depending on my choices (or in Isa's case, worse than death by giving her over to Qunari).

He wants to threaten, I want a chance to respond. Fair is fair.
Afterall, I get to kill or betray people for their choices. Sebastian should be no different.

[Sabariel]

Rykoth wrote...

Here's why Sebastian is justified.

Anders rebels against the Templars because:
- He doesn't like authority
- In Fereldan, in probably the Circle of Magi that looks like Hotel Hilton, he constantly escaped
- Obviously got anger issues coming from the Grey Wardens, who he also ditches (commitment issues much?)
- The Templars are mean, and he has Justice in him, and Justice became Vengeance

Sebastian is "single minded" because:
- His family was murdered

Now, IMO, Anders, while a cool character, deserves to be executed for what he's done. The stupid little rebel abomination blows up the Chantry with an innocent woman inside it. An innocent woman who may as well be the only family Sebastian has left (not bloodwise, but how close they are.)

I'm sorry, but I'd be threatening to rain death on Kirkwall too if Anders was spared and that happened to my family. It's called both speaking out of anger, sorrow, and having nothing left to lose.

Leliana, Zevran, and Sten also kill innocent people. Did you kill them as well?

Just askin'