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[neppakyo]

sonofalich wrote...

i hated her look in DA 2, reminded me too much of Final Fantasy.

Good point. Fen reminds me of Cloud from FF7. heh.

[Coldest]

I have no qualms with Flemeth's new look. Seeing the Witch of the Wilds now in her powerful form only makes her character all the more menacing, after how she showed herself as a weak old lady to the Warden.

[Echidnalexx]

I actually thought the re-designed flemeth was pretty hot.. if it weren't for her old-lady voice and the wrinkles around her eyes, she could pass off as a hot milfy witch

[_ShadowHawk]

Actually the new Flemeth model's face looks quite a bit like that of voice actress Kate Mulgrew (Start Trek: Voyager's Captain Janeway) and I'm pretty sure that each of Flemeth's closeups was a tip of the hat both to Ms. Mulgrew and the model maker's skillful rendition. As to her garb: Qunari have horns now and a shapeshifter can't have a makeover? Seriously?

[Yalision]

LMAO. Being an adult now who was there as a kid when the first episode of Power Rangers aired.. this is freaking AWESOME. I never noticed this before. I once posted that the Darkspawn in the demo scuttled along like Putty Patrollers, but I never made the Flemeth/Rita connection. Hilarious. It all makes sense now.

[johook213]

I love Flemeth's new look.

[nijnij]

Not incompatible. In order to manipulate the Wardens, (and her own daughter), Flemeth might wanna look less... powerful.

[Silveryne]

It has been mentioned in interviews and whatnot that Flemeth in DAO wanted to protray herself as a batty old hag, while Flemeth in DA2 wanted to portray herself as a powerful witch.

Rita Repulsa's scenes were a straight rip rip from the scenes of the "Bandora the Witch" character in Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger (the series that is tied to Power Rangers in the US). The character is from the show, but has been dubbed by an English voice actress. Additional scenes with her were later shot for the second series of Power Rangers, because she had only been in that one season in Japan.

I... wish I didn't know all that.

[BeardedNinja]

Echidnalexx wrote...

I actually thought the re-designed flemeth was pretty hot.. if it weren't for her old-lady voice and the wrinkles around her eyes, she could pass off as a hot milfy witch

Old lady? Kate Mulgrew is not an old lady! Have you never seen Star Trek: Voyager? 

[AtreiyaN7]

I brought Anders along with me to Sundermount, and even he couldn't figure out what Flemeth was or what she did.

Anders: "What are you? A spirit? An abomination? This is no magic I've ever seen!"
Flemeth: "I am a fly in the ointment. I am a whisper in the shadows. I am also an old, old woman. More than that you need not know."

You can hate the redesign, but Flemeth is clearly more than just an old, old woman. If the Dalish know her as Asha'bellanar (the Woman of Many Years), do you seriously think she's just some ordinary mage? If she was ever human at one time, she something else now. She's also presumably more than just an ordinary shapeshifter as well.

What she did with the amulet sure as heck wasn't your average magic either, and I get the impression that Flemeth can do whatever she wants, including appearing in any form that she chooses. It probably served her purpose to appear as a batty old woman to the Warden, just as her appearance now serves whatever purpose she has. Maybe she's off to visit the qunari. Or maybe it's just representative of a dragon's horns - who knows.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 22 mars 2011 - 05:32 .

[Ronin2006]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I brought Anders along with me to Sundermount, and even he couldn't figure out what Flemeth was or what she did.

Anders: "What are you? A spirit? An abomination? This is no magic I've ever seen!"
Flemeth: "I am a fly in the ointment. I am a whisper in the shadows. I am also an old, old woman. More than that you need not know."

If the Dalish know her as Asha'bellanar (the Woman of Many Years), do you seriously think she's just some ordinary mage? If she was ever human at one time, she something else now. She's also presumably more than just an ordinary shapeshifter as well.

What she did with the amulet sure as heck wasn't your average magic either, and I get the impression that Flemeth can do whatever she wants, including appearing in any form that she chooses. It probably served her purpose to appear as a batty old woman to the Warden, just as her appearance now serves whatever purpose she has. Maybe she's off to visit the qunari. Or maybe it's just representative of a dragon's horns - who knows.

Why does it seem that people cannot comprehend that it doesn't matter how often you try and justify the change in appearance by reference to the lore of Dragon Age?  It doesn't change the fact that Bioware selected a design type that looks ridiculous.  Whatever anyone has said or written about her in the story, doesn't change this.  End of.

You know, I agree, she's a shape shifter and she can have whatever appearance she wants.  Absolutely any, whatsover, I couldn't care less about how it's justified within the story, so you can stop bringing this up, because I agree.

But, if the lore gave her the power to have unlimited powers and she turned up as a piece of fruit it wouldn't mean that you couldn't justify it.  It would just look incredibly stupid, just like looking like a Power Rangers character or children's supervillain looks incredibly stupid.

[Soulcheg]

Coldest wrote...
she showed herself as a weak old lady to the Warden.

Old - maby, lady - yes, but weak - never. Flemeth's look was more like disturbing, because you knew that old woman cannot just live in the wilds all alone, and you knew that is something wrong here. And there was no need to change her appearance in Final Fantasy style.

I swear, if in Dragon Age 3 Flemeth will look like a gigantic humanoid robot, like Gundam or Robotech, still there will be some people, asserting that her new look just as it should be - "She's a shapeshifter, guys, she can be everything she want! Even orange, or umbrella!"

[Timon44]

Okay people. Apparently this thread was never meant to be a discussion. The OP has a clear opinion that he will not change and everyone who has a different opinion is wrong and has no idea what he/she is talking about.

I love these kinds of threads. Later...

Modifié par Timon44, 22 mars 2011 - 11:33 .

[Ronin2006]

Timon44 wrote...

Okay people. Apparently this thread was never meant to be a discussion. The OP has a clear opinion that he will not change and everyone who has a different opinion is wrong and has no idea what he/she is talking about.

I love these kinds of threads. Later...

Yes, that's exactly it.  Well done, bravo genius.  You clearly get the point too.

[chinoyray]

Ronin2006 wrote...

Timon44 wrote...

Okay people. Apparently this thread was never meant to be a discussion. The OP has a clear opinion that he will not change and everyone who has a different opinion is wrong and has no idea what he/she is talking about.

I love these kinds of threads. Later...

Yes, that's exactly it.  Well done, bravo genius.  You clearly get the point too.

^ This.

After reading all 4 pages of this... I can't believe that people keep on arguing that there's a lore in the change. It's obvious already that the new character designs are intended for a younger demographic. Though Bioware says in their "behind the scenes" video that they want their characters and races to be distinctive. 

For me... it's just a marketing strat. New Flemeth will look good on posters and websites. The old one will not.

 

[Ronin2006]

chinoyray wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Timon44 wrote...

Okay people. Apparently this thread was never meant to be a discussion. The OP has a clear opinion that he will not change and everyone who has a different opinion is wrong and has no idea what he/she is talking about.

I love these kinds of threads. Later...

Yes, that's exactly it.  Well done, bravo genius.  You clearly get the point too.

^ This.

After reading all 4 pages of this... I can't believe that people keep on arguing that there's a lore in the change. It's obvious already that the new character designs are intended for a younger demographic. Though Bioware says in their "behind the scenes" video that they want their characters and races to be distinctive. 

For me... it's just a marketing strat. New Flemeth will look good on posters and websites. The old one will not.

 

Gold Star for you son!

And so now we see that once, every so often, we are blessed to see someone who can stand out so far above their peers, one who from the moment you read their words, you realise that they possess something that so very few are blessed with.  Hard to define, some say it's a myth, others say it's there, but that you'll never see it in this lifetime.  It's a tale that's been passed on for many generations, only spoken of and never seen.

Until now!

Yes, this man "gets it"  He is indeed capable of comprehending that the new design of Flemeth is part of the repackaging of the brand Dragon Age.  That the discussion of the lore isn't the issue.  Take a bow, we are indeed honoured to be in your prescence.

[Deylar]

See I was to agree with you, until you turned out to be a big arse about everything.

The "Art" style in this game either belongs in the Fable series or the Final Fantasy series.

[Ronin2006]

Deylar wrote...

See I was to agree with you, until you turned out to be a big arse about everything.

The "Art" style in this game either belongs in the Fable series or the Final Fantasy series.

Haha, don't worry, I'm just having a laugh.  I'm not really angry or anything, I'm just having a lighthearted dig at the people arguing the lore and shapeshifter thing.  I'm much more relaxed than people seem to be interpreting this thread, it was originally lighthearted anyway, just people seem to take it very seriously and miss the point entirely.

Though I do actually dislike the new art direction.

Modifié par Ronin2006, 22 mars 2011 - 12:32 .

[Timon44]

Ronin2006 if you had read my first post in this thread then you would have seen that "I get your point".
I just hate how you won't allow any other opinion than yours. Yes, Flemeth probably ALSO looks like she does in the new DA2, because it is more appealing to the younger crowd that they tried to attract to DA2. However that doesn't mean that her new looks don't make perfect sense and also greatly add to the mystery that is Flemeth.
And it also doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to like her new looks. Just don't start a thread if you are not able to have an open mind about the topic that you are discussing.

Modifié par Timon44, 22 mars 2011 - 03:08 .

[Ronin2006]

Timon44 wrote...

Ronin2006 if you had read my first post in this thread then you would have seen that "I get your point".
I just hate how you won't allow any other opinion than yours. Yes, Flemeth probably ALSO looks like she does in the new DA2, because it is more appealing to the younger crowd that they tried to attract to DA2. However that doesn't mean that her new looks don't make perfect sense and also greatly add to the mystery that is Flemeth.
And it also doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to like her new looks. Just don't start a thread if you are not able to have an open mind about the topic that you are discussing.

[Skemte]

Ronin2006 wrote...

Timon44 wrote...

Ronin2006 if you had read my first post in this thread then you would have seen that "I get your point".
I just hate how you won't allow any other opinion than yours. Yes, Flemeth probably ALSO looks like she does in the new DA2, because it is more appealing to the younger crowd that they tried to attract to DA2. However that doesn't mean that her new looks don't make perfect sense and also greatly add to the mystery that is Flemeth.
And it also doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to like her new looks. Just don't start a thread if you are not able to have an open mind about the topic that you are discussing.

   Ah and so the troll shows his true colors.

[Timon44]

Ronin2006 wrote...

Timon44 wrote...

Ronin2006 if you had read my first post in this thread then you would have seen that "I get your point".
I just hate how you won't allow any other opinion than yours. Yes, Flemeth probably ALSO looks like she does in the new DA2, because it is more appealing to the younger crowd that they tried to attract to DA2. However that doesn't mean that her new looks don't make perfect sense and also greatly add to the mystery that is Flemeth.
And it also doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to like her new looks. Just don't start a thread if you are not able to have an open mind about the topic that you are discussing.

Thank you very much for proving my point.

[Obadiah]

chinoyray wrote...
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For me... it's just a marketing strat. New Flemeth will look good on posters and websites. The old one will not.

That's pretty much my assessment the changes to Flemeth.

[SultryVulcan]

Flemeth is one of my favorite characters in the DA universe, I'm thinking she'll be back for a bigger role in DA3.

[Ronin2006]

Obadiah wrote...

chinoyray wrote...
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For me... it's just a marketing strat. New Flemeth will look good on posters and websites. The old one will not.

That's pretty much my assessment the changes to Flemeth.

Yeah, that's probably true.  I think that a lot of what's lost in the new design is the subtlety of the character.  Sure, she isn't as immediately shocking in the old design, but the feeling of depth behind the character seems lost.  There is no intrigue behind what's there, she was mysterious before, but now it's all too obvious, in your face, and childish.

But I guess from a marketing standpoint this is what happens when you intend to make an immediate impact rather than a lasting one.