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Ronin2006 wrote...
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Sure, she isn't as immediately shocking in the old design, but the feeling of depth behind the character seems lost.  There is no intrigue behind what's there, she was mysterious before, but now it's all too obvious, in your face, and childish.
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Yup. In Origins you weren't sure what she was or if she was even sane. Now Flemeth is this powerfull master manipulative... thing. She's defeinitely not insane because suddenly she can put herself together and has decided to speak in coherent sentences (maybe she decided to take her meds that day).

Well, I shouldn't pass judgment as yet as I haven't gotten very far in the game.

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I don't get the Shapeshifter argument. Her face looks pretty much the same, it's the outfit that's drastically different, and what many think looks ridiculous. It does look much more cartoony, like "Oh look it's Flemeth the total badass!" Rather than looking like a fragile old woman who just happens to be a badass.

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I like the new Flemeth design.

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I think Flemeth looks better in DA2, her appearance in DAO was just her cover. Isn't she the most powerful force we've encountered in Thedas? I think she might be.

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That's a funny comparison! Good find!

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Ronin2006 wrote...

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Ronin2006 if you had read my first post in this thread then you would have seen that "I get your point".
I just hate how you won't allow any other opinion than yours. Yes, Flemeth probably ALSO looks like she does in the new DA2, because it is more appealing to the younger crowd that they tried to attract to DA2. However that doesn't mean that her new looks don't make perfect sense and also greatly add to the mystery that is Flemeth.
And it also doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to like her new looks. Just don't start a thread if you are not able to have an open mind about the topic that you are discussing.



The circle is complete. A few posts before that gem of a thought I'm quoting, you basicaly say "no matter how much proof you present, in my opinion *blah-blah-blah* and that is what matters in this thread". classy, sir, you are truly a gentleman and a scholar. Keep this up and surely one day I might even concider pretending that I see some hint of a reason in what you say.

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Obadiah wrote...

 She's defeinitely not insane because suddenly she can put herself together and has decided to speak in coherent sentences (maybe she decided to take her meds that day).


She did exactly that in DA:O when you went back to confront her about the Morrigan thing.  She took quite a different tone with you then.  None of that "I'm just a weird, batty old lady" stuff that time.

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Shamajotsi wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Timon44 wrote...

Ronin2006 if you had read my first post in this thread then you would have seen that "I get your point".
I just hate how you won't allow any other opinion than yours. Yes, Flemeth probably ALSO looks like she does in the new DA2, because it is more appealing to the younger crowd that they tried to attract to DA2. However that doesn't mean that her new looks don't make perfect sense and also greatly add to the mystery that is Flemeth.
And it also doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to like her new looks. Just don't start a thread if you are not able to have an open mind about the topic that you are discussing.



The circle is complete. A few posts before that gem of a thought I'm quoting, you basicaly say "no matter how much proof you present, in my opinion *blah-blah-blah* and that is what matters in this thread". classy, sir, you are truly a gentleman and a scholar. Keep this up and surely one day I might even concider pretending that I see some hint of a reason in what you say.


Perhaps you too miss the point.  I'm happy to discuss the merits of the character design and am more than happy to engage in constructive discourse.  But, justification for the redesign that falls within the realm of the storyline of her being a shapeshifter and an evil witch is outside the original thread topic.  I was discussing Bioware's design decision.

I will reiterate that I agree that she has the capacity to change into this look, and that it is consistent with the abilities she possesses from a storyline perspective.  But, if you can't see the changes to the design from a marketing and visual art perspective, you probably shouldn't post on this thread because you don't understand it.

And so you know, this poster who I have referred to this gem of a video said that I was being closeminded after I explained myself to another poster in the following manner:

Ronin2006 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I brought Anders along with me to Sundermount, and even he couldn't figure out what Flemeth was or what she did.

Anders: "What are you? A spirit? An abomination? This is no magic I've ever seen!"
Flemeth: "I am a fly in the ointment. I am a whisper in the shadows. I am also an old, old woman. More than that you need not know."


If the Dalish know her as Asha'bellanar (the Woman of Many Years), do you seriously think she's just some ordinary mage? If she was ever human at one time, she something else now. She's also presumably more than just an ordinary shapeshifter as well.

What she did with the amulet sure as heck wasn't your average magic either, and I get the impression that Flemeth can do whatever she wants, including appearing in any form that she chooses. It probably served her purpose to appear as a batty old woman to the Warden, just as her appearance now serves whatever purpose she has. Maybe she's off to visit the qunari. Or maybe it's just representative of a dragon's horns - who knows.


Why does it seem that people cannot comprehend that it doesn't matter how often you try and justify the change in appearance by reference to the lore of Dragon Age?  It doesn't change the fact that Bioware selected a design type that looks ridiculous.  Whatever anyone has said or written about her in the story, doesn't change this.  End of.

You know, I agree, she's a shape shifter and she can have whatever appearance she wants.  Absolutely any, whatsover, I couldn't care less about how it's justified within the story, so you can stop bringing this up, because I agree.

But, if the lore gave her the power to have unlimited powers and she turned up as a piece of fruit it wouldn't mean that you couldn't justify it.  It would just look incredibly stupid, just like looking like a Power Rangers character or children's supervillain looks incredibly stupid.


Constantly talking about her shapeshifter abilities or some part of the story is missing the point of the discussion, and as a retort this poster criticised me for being close minded, when in fact he/she too was missing the point.

Yes they might have almost made sense with their ensuing post listed above at the top of this post (which admittedly almost came to the point of a valid post on this thread when they said that they like the design because it added to the character) but trying to say that I am not willing to discuss the topic and listen to opposing viewpoints was once again missing the point.  I am simply not willing to discuss a different topic to the one that I brought up, even if it is loosely related, it's beside the idea.  Trying to tie the idea of liking her new design with the idea that I am not willing to argue the point properly when their source material came from my retorts to people who miss the point entirely rendered the youtube retort entirely appropriate.  Their argument was illogical and irrational.

Modifié par Ronin2006, 23 mars 2011 - 03:18 .


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I agree with the OP. I honestly found her to be more distinct and "eldritch" in DA:O and her homely haggard appearance only served to enhance the air, mystery and eeriness surrounding her persona. I remember feeling uneasy around the old Flemeth, knowing that her appearance belied her actual stature -- that she was no mere mortal; I LOLed when I saw the sexy cartoony caricature of Flemeth in DA2. The redisign was obviously geared towards a horny juvenile male audience along with the enhanced bosoms of the ladies.

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You miss the point, in DA:o she was just an old woman to most, flying low under the radar. Trying to aviod her death (again) or maybe just aware of whats to come and resting/preparing. She appears like that to suit the story, they done the costume to the mood its the whole point. And when first playing though you have no idea of what kind of power this woman has, no idea she can be anything even a dragon, they start to build to lore "witch of the wilds" but its rumor and conjecture you don't know what she is, maybe all she is, is just what she claimed to be "an old woman that talks to much" (that just happens to be an apostate with some minor tricks).

Then comes DAII, you first see her and she is a dragon, the old ragged cloths and dirty skins doesnt really cut it anymore, we know she is something of immense power that is possible ancient. The horns are there to reflect the dragon she turns from as is the purple clothes to reflect the scale color, appearing a bit younger, bit of a seductress witch look to her (maybe to reflect she is old, but powerful enough to look younger if she feels like it and that she may well be immortal so ageless) The costumes dark, witch like (as youve already shown it reflects a trend of what we think witches should look like, it wasnt the first or DA:o or PR or ultimacia its as old as costume itself, although more skin is being shown then it would have been).

All in all its actually a brilliant use of costume design to represent the story. Clear have done some research and put though into it.

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You miss the point, in DA:o she was just an old woman to most, flying low under the radar. Trying to aviod her death (again) or maybe just aware of whats to come and resting/preparing. She appears like that to suit the story, they done the costume to the mood its the whole point. And when first playing though you have no idea of what kind of power this woman has, no idea she can be anything even a dragon, they start to build to lore "witch of the wilds" but its rumor and conjecture you don't know what she is, maybe all she is, is just what she claimed to be "an old woman that talks to much" (that just happens to be an apostate with some minor tricks).

Then comes DAII, you first see her and she is a dragon, the old ragged cloths and dirty skins doesnt really cut it anymore, we know she is something of immense power that is possible ancient. The horns are there to reflect the dragon she turns from as is the purple clothes to reflect the scale color, appearing a bit younger, bit of a seductress witch look to her (maybe to reflect she is old, but powerful enough to look younger if she feels like it and that she may well be immortal so ageless) The costumes dark, witch like (as youve already shown it reflects a trend of what we think witches should look like, it wasnt the first or DA:o or PR or ultimacia its as old as costume itself, although more skin is being shown then it would have been).

All in all its actually a brilliant use of costume design to represent the story. Clear have done some research and put though into it.


This is a much more reasoned and decent response, though still slightly off topic at times, but getting there.

Firstly, I do get it, it's just that references to the story don't justify the change in design unless you can argue how they bring something to the game from a broader wholistic game experience.  You are at least drawing that connection, which is a fantastic start, and hence your post is more respectable than a lot of other posters.

For me it really comes down to what Bioware was trying to achieve with this change in direction.  People who are simply bringing up that she is a shapeshifter, or that somewhere early in the story she was alluded to having a lot of powers are missing the point.  It's about what Bioware were trying to achieve.  Was it to enhance the story or was it to make her more marketable, or did they just want to draw up some massive boobs because they were horny?

My guess is that it's a lot of factors, but a big part was marketing and the new change in direction as part of the redesign of the Dragon Age franchise.  Yes, in DA 2 she is introduced straight away as a dragon, we know immediately of her powers and thus any subtle approach like the first game wouldn't quite work if she was to morph back to an old haggard woman.  The issue is then, why did Bioware decide to introduce her like this?  Couldn't a more subtle and cleverly crafted return suffice?  We can see that they were trying to make a big impact, or statement with her character, but while it seemed to work for you and for some others, for other people it was a bit of an attention grab, and because it was so over the top it came off as a little laughable.  Referring to the story doesn't justify it, Bioware wrote that story, and used this as a part of telling that story.

 It's a bit like the death at the start of the game.  It lakes the subtlety and nuances of cleverly crafted storytelling.  It all happens straight away without time to develop a deeper understanding and curiousity surrounding the characters.  At the start of the game we know straight away what Flemeth is like, and while her character is given away at the end of DA O, there is still a lot of mystery about Flemeth in that game.  Here that sense is lost as she looks quite comical and childish and everything about her is so in your face.  While it may be argued that this new look is 'expanding' upon her character from the first game, I perceive it as limiting.  She can now never be taken seriously as a mysterious villain again and she cannot revert back to a more subdued, subtle and mysterious character with hidden powers.  Nothing is hidden anymore, and hence nothing is left to learn about her.

Think of it like this, in 'growed up' movies a vilain often lives on the brink of society.  Almost normal, but something about the way they walk, talk and the look in their eyes suggests that's there's something 'off' about them, but we just can't quite pin it down.  We are intrigued, we want to know more.  Usually, there's a madness about them, but there's a hint of normality in their madness giving their character a lot of credibility.  Then as the story progresses we can see just how evil and calculated they are.  This is Flemeth in DA O.

In children's movies, villains are obvious.  There is no subtlety because children don't have the attention span or curiousity to learn and discover more about the villain and their psyche.  The villains are usually maniacal, living in volcanic lairs or space ships.  They laugh hysterically at their evil deeds and surround themselves with henchman.  Yes, it's obvious, and yes the impact is more immediate, but is it really as gratifying when the character appears this one-dimensional?  This is why I grew out of children's movies when I stopped being, well, a child.

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Think we've both gone off the rails a bit here, how does a costume create flemeth as one dimensional. If anything she's anything but, despite the fact she's not in it much and remains surrouded in so much mystery. But she's humorous, and intriging, just 5mins on screen time and you are still hooked to want to know what she's up to, although at least part of the credit for that belongs to DA:o.
You've already stated there we already know what Flemeth is, what good would just repeating the introduction DA:o gave to us but leading us to believe this Witch of the wilds is nothing but a harmless old woman, to me that would be the bad writing and costume design, we've done it, time to move on, which they have by beginning to show her with increasing power, cheating death that we provided. She's not hiding anymore but plain as day is up to something and that requires a costume change just as after the introduction to Romeo in the play he is revealed to be a noble of opposing fraction, clothes and all, although subtleties that show his disstatifaction with noblity being a but looser of clothing regrime then most, it wouldnt make as much sense if he spent the film in costume behind a mask, the costumes are there to re enforce the twist.

Yeah though maybe your right about the sex appeal but sex selling isnt anything new, a bit of flesh was popular to advertise even when showing an ankle was scandelous. We're sexual beings so is there a crime in that truely. Realisticly I wouldnt say theres that much more mass to her boobs in this then in Origins, they where hidden under sagging cloths, now theres a bodice pushing them into the concentrated mass of flesh, which is the point really of one and just from fashion selling flesh, but nothing be realistic for a tight item of clothing to force things up and out like that.

As for there being nothing to learn about her now her power is presented plain as day, not really, is she that powerful and mearly just seeking knowlegde and survival. How does she know of all the events that are yet to happen. Is she evil really?maybe the costume now indicates that a bit but is she evil as in helping/causing these events or maybe just letting them happening or believing they need to happen or else something worse may happen. Whats her next step, just another witch of the wilds on this continent or did she have a bigger purpose beyond just avoiding death. Surely being immortal youd want to be doing something. And for all we know when she jokingly says maybe she is a dragon it wasn't a joke, don't some of the rumours in origins claim she is a dragon or old god, if not just as old as one. Isnt that enough mystery to want to know, without her still walking round like a raggedy anne doll?

I still don't think that the design shows a level of childishness to be more marketable, or shows a lack of attention span, just merely a reflection of where she is at in her story. One that shows attention to detail beyond whats most pleasing to the eye, they havent made her a blond 20 year old yet.

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Flunkorg wrote...

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She is shapeshifter after all. She can probably look pretty much anything she wants.

*Turns into a tomato*


*laughs hysterically*

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I like the Maleficent post. Maleficent is awesome.

Why are people whining about her NOT looking like a hobo?

Also I like this Low Fantasy direction DA 2 took by segregating the Fantasy and contemporary parts in a cheeky manner. I love it because I hate, hate, hate, and despise how seriously Origins' High Fantasy setting takes itself sometimes - whereas I love Maleficent and DA 2's overall direction.

Also, she's disturbingly yummy in this game, which is cool.

Also, just because a villain is a flamboyant villain doesn't mean they will lack depth or interest. Many children's movies can be quite symbolic, deep, or just plain old stunning visually, which is a joy in it's own right, and it may have a colorful looking villain who's still quite compelling. A badass outfit has done nothing to simplify Flemeth or give anything away. In fact, the visual appeal gives me more interest.

Still, the first thing that one sees in a person is their looks. Impressions go a long way and Flemeth was mighty impressive here. Even if she goes back to a hag form later, this badass form will forever have made me more interested in her character, personally.

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Ricvenart wrote...

Think we've both gone off the rails a bit here, how does a costume create flemeth as one dimensional. If anything she's anything but, despite the fact she's not in it much and remains surrouded in so much mystery. But she's humorous, and intriging, just 5mins on screen time and you are still hooked to want to know what she's up to, although at least part of the credit for that belongs to DA:o.
You've already stated there we already know what Flemeth is, what good would just repeating the introduction DA:o gave to us but leading us to believe this Witch of the wilds is nothing but a harmless old woman, to me that would be the bad writing and costume design, we've done it, time to move on, which they have by beginning to show her with increasing power, cheating death that we provided. She's not hiding anymore but plain as day is up to something and that requires a costume change just as after the introduction to Romeo in the play he is revealed to be a noble of opposing fraction, clothes and all, although subtleties that show his disstatifaction with noblity being a but looser of clothing regrime then most, it wouldnt make as much sense if he spent the film in costume behind a mask, the costumes are there to re enforce the twist.

Yeah though maybe your right about the sex appeal but sex selling isnt anything new, a bit of flesh was popular to advertise even when showing an ankle was scandelous. We're sexual beings so is there a crime in that truely. Realisticly I wouldnt say theres that much more mass to her boobs in this then in Origins, they where hidden under sagging cloths, now theres a bodice pushing them into the concentrated mass of flesh, which is the point really of one and just from fashion selling flesh, but nothing be realistic for a tight item of clothing to force things up and out like that.

As for there being nothing to learn about her now her power is presented plain as day, not really, is she that powerful and mearly just seeking knowlegde and survival. How does she know of all the events that are yet to happen. Is she evil really?maybe the costume now indicates that a bit but is she evil as in helping/causing these events or maybe just letting them happening or believing they need to happen or else something worse may happen. Whats her next step, just another witch of the wilds on this continent or did she have a bigger purpose beyond just avoiding death. Surely being immortal youd want to be doing something. And for all we know when she jokingly says maybe she is a dragon it wasn't a joke, don't some of the rumours in origins claim she is a dragon or old god, if not just as old as one. Isnt that enough mystery to want to know, without her still walking round like a raggedy anne doll?

I still don't think that the design shows a level of childishness to be more marketable, or shows a lack of attention span, just merely a reflection of where she is at in her story. One that shows attention to detail beyond whats most pleasing to the eye, they havent made her a blond 20 year old yet.


People who want to argue with me about the new look of Flemeth, take note, this is how you do it without coming across as a total moron.  This is a post that is on topic, insightful, and while I disagree with it, still expands upon the points I have been making about Flemeth and uses logic to make a point.  It doen't miss the point entirely, and this person is trying to validate the new appearance by reference to what it brings to the story/game, not an argument about how the story/game allows the change in the first place.

Anyway, I've just been called away from my computer and probably won't be able to post my response now.  I'll do it tomorrow.

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Ronin2006 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
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Why does it seem that people cannot comprehend that it doesn't matter how often you try and justify the change in appearance by reference to the lore of Dragon Age?  It doesn't change the fact that Bioware selected a design type that looks ridiculous.  Whatever anyone has said or written about her in the story, doesn't change this.  End of.

You know, I agree, she's a shape shifter and she can have whatever appearance she wants.  Absolutely any, whatsover, I couldn't care less about how it's justified within the story, so you can stop bringing this up, because I agree.

But, if the lore gave her the power to have unlimited powers and she turned up as a piece of fruit it wouldn't mean that you couldn't justify it.  It would just look incredibly stupid, just like looking like a Power Rangers character or children's supervillain looks incredibly stupid.


I'm a good deal more interested in her lore and her abilities, including the obvious fact that she's a lot more than your average mage, and I think it's perfectly valid to discuss what she is in relation to her appearance (since others have brought up her lore previously). What we all think about her appearance is subjective - you find it ridiculous and other people don't. If you can't deal with a difference in opinion or a discussion about it, sorry?

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

 I'm a good deal more interested in her lore and her abilities, including the obvious fact that she's a lot more than your average mage, and I think it's perfectly valid to discuss what she is in relation to her appearance (since others have brought up her lore previously).


Of course she is more than your average mage. Origins already stated she is an abdomination which is living on this plane for centuries already. It was just never mentioned what kind of spirit or demon had possessed her. Maybe she is what a demon of Pride looks like after a century among mortals. Maybe she is some entirely different spirit the original flemeth once summoned, before she lead a whole army of barbarians against the "civilized" part of Fereldan or turned countless people into abdominations. Its all in her codex entry from the first moment on you meet her.

And i totally agree with the argument of it being totally unimportant how she does possess the power to look as stupid as she does.

She looks ridiculous. End of Story. And she surely has to be a demon to assume that get up she wore wouldn't make people laugh at her expense. If she wouldn't have just turned into a dragon and killed a small army of Darkspawn, i am sure she could have, for all that mattered have juggled small balls. At least then she would have acted the clownpart too.

I certainly hope Flemeth 3 will look less like a clown and more like a respectable person, or preverably adversary. And if she doesn't... well then they maybe could consider bringing Zedd into the mix. Save the Z Antenna he appeared at least a little bit more competent as Clowny Rita / Flemeth.

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Yes, Flemeth's design changed, just as the whole design of the game. Elfs, Qunari, Darkspawn, Leliana, Alistair, etc.. Her design changed because the devs wanted to.

HOWEVER, it is still *entirely* within the established lore.
1. She's a shapeshifter. (Note also, Morrigan says she has no use into shifting onto other human forms, not that she's unable to, selective reading FTW)
2. She's many things (she said it in Origins)
3. Among them, an "old, old woman" (she said it in DA2, throwing a nod at Origins)
4. She was never "batty", she simply wanted the warden to think that, when you go there to kill her, she's not so batty anymore, and since she was about to be killed, she could let herself go all-out, and that isn't a kickass armor, it's a High Dragon form.
5. The world is changing, a war is brewing, she's probably amassing an army, she needs to look the part to inspire fear among her foes and respect among her subordinates while giving a sense of awe to all others. Obviously not everyone will share that view of her look, but that's what the devs were likely going for.

So, while I agree the catalyst for this change was the designers' wish, given the context of the story, the world, and the character, she's still consistent.

And, for the record strictly, I love both her looks as I can see the point and usefulness of both. One serves to keep her below the radar, the other to be as visible as possible and the third (Dragon form) to kick everyone's ass.

Also note her new dragon form and its difference from a High Dragon. Seeing as the High Dragon model is the same as Origins and hers isn't, I think THAT's what poeople should really be discussing.

It's fine if you don't like her new design, everyone has a right to their opinion, tho.

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Is it like sticking Glitter paint on a Prius and calling it 'NOS'?

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Lets not forget it's a story told by Varric and the fella likes to embelish everything.
Flemeth is probably just how he picture it in his fantasy.

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Kendaric Varkellen wrote...

While I hate how a good low fantasy setting has been turned into a generic high fantasy setting with DA2, I actually prefer Flemeth's new look. She looks somehow more like the evil witch from fairy tales and folklore.


What?  "Good low fantasy" involves a super special chosen warrior of good fighting a horde of evil monsters in a very Tolkienesque manner is, but "generic high fantasy" is the politics of mages versus their keepers and of a foreign race's influence and threat over a large city?

By that logic, Lord of the Rings is "good low fantasy," and A Song of Ice and Fire is "generic high fantasy."

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didymos1120 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

 She's defeinitely not insane because suddenly she can put herself together and has decided to speak in coherent sentences (maybe she decided to take her meds that day).


She did exactly that in DA:O when you went back to confront her about the Morrigan thing.  She took quite a different tone with you then.  None of that "I'm just a weird, batty old lady" stuff that time.

Flemeth didn't sound coherent to me when I confronted her about Morrigan. She was still speaking in riddles and I couldn't even tell if she didn't wanted me to attack her.

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Obadiah wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

 She's defeinitely not insane because suddenly she can put herself together and has decided to speak in coherent sentences (maybe she decided to take her meds that day).


She did exactly that in DA:O when you went back to confront her about the Morrigan thing.  She took quite a different tone with you then.  None of that "I'm just a weird, batty old lady" stuff that time.

Flemeth didn't sound coherent to me when I confronted her about Morrigan. She was still speaking in riddles and I couldn't even tell if she didn't wanted me to attack her.


Well, that's a personal issue then, because I found she was quite easy to understand: she knew exactly why you were there and what she wanted was for you to take the book, lie to Morrigan, and leave her be.   If you press her for details about herself, she refuses. If you insist on fighting, which is what she expected you to do (not what she wanted), then she obliges.  

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didymos1120 wrote...
Well, that's a personal issue then, because I found she was quite easy to understand: she knew exactly why you were there and what she wanted was for you to take the book, lie to Morrigan, and leave her be.   If you press her for details about herself, she refuses. If you insist on fighting, which is what she expected you to do (not what she wanted), then she obliges.  

It's not a sane conversation. A sane conversation would have involved less cackling, and Flemeth bringing up the obvious point that the only reason the Warden is alive is her. Instead we get a nebulous answer about Morrigan maybe lying but maybe not (Flemeth: "Morrigan is telling a story but I won't tell you the truth") and a counter proposal in which you get a book (probably fake) you can't read.

Modifié par Obadiah, 23 mars 2011 - 05:41 .


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Lulia

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Ronin2006 wrote...

Flemeth is just a digital version of Rita Repulsa from the original Power Rangers series.  I mean seriously, what is going on?


ROFL!!!  That cracked me up [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I
totally agree. I much preferred the appearance of all the characters in
Origins, even Zevran for all his orangeness looked better than he does
in DA2.