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[Katamariguy]

 The Shuriken does more raw damage and the locust is more accurate and powerful against armor. It could have worked if the Freedom's Progress SMG was the Tempest.

[CC-Tron]

The tempest is more effective at close range than either the shuriken or the locust. I use it like a shotgun at close range when cloaked as an infiltrator.

[Kasper Finknottle]

The Locust also costs you extra as it is in the Kasumi DLC.

I've found the Tempest better in the hands of a squad chum (they don't suffer the accuracy issues at range), with my Shep using the Locust as a cut-down assault rifle.

[ItsPhilsTime]

yah it doesnt kick like the other SMGs, which ive only used the first one u have at the beginning of the game, and i think the locust(the one wit **** tone of ammo, but shots way to fast) i always liked the Hand cannons and heavy pistols.

[XCPTNL]

- It looks great
- It feels great
- It sounds greats
- It has a lot of ammo (clip size and overall)
- It has a high rate of fire
- It is awesome at close range (Cloaked Infiltrator, Assault Sentinel...)
- It is awesome for your squadmates

The Shuriken is nice as well with its damage and the ability to shoot it faster. But the clip size is too small. I used it on my Infiltrator for some extensive testing and while I have the feeling that it has a higher chance of freezing enemies I often ended up with a low or empty ammo clip when I was about to finish some frozen enemies off and had to reload which was totally annyoing. So if you get close it's really nice to have 50 shots per clip and do a lot of damage. Also if you are used to the Tempest and know how to deal with its recoil you can do good damage at midrange as well.

The Locust... well I used it a lot in the beginning and when I was still playing on Xbox with ****ty gamepad controls that aiming and compensating the recoil harder. But I don't really like it. First of all the sound it makes is totally annoying. It doesn't sound like a SMG at all. I'd even be okay with a version that uses a silencer... but the current version is just so annoying. Also I don't like the evenly spread damage multipliers. I prefer to have a higher multiplier against shields and barriers with a SMG and none against armor because I have other weapons against armor anyway. It kinda messes with the whole "use weapon x for defense y" concept of the game - and not in good way in my opinion because it's a weapon that can do everything but none of it well. And it's no good for close quarter combat because the RoF is too slow and the clip size too small. And I usually get close with all classes or use other weapons for the mid- and longrange fights (that I don't fight very often due to my playstyle) - like Widow, Phalanx and Geth Shotgun.

[termokanden]

Don't forget that all SMGs get a huge bonus against shields and barriers, including the Locust. So it IS quite good against them.

I like the Locust because it gives me an assault rifle (more or less) for my non-soldiers. So useful when starting out on insanity so you're not stuck with a low ammo pistol for long ranges.

When I have the long ranges covered I prefer the Tempest by far. Most fun SMG of them all. Good to use for CQC as an infiltrator for example.

Modifié par termokanden, 21 mars 2011 - 02:37 .

[ItsPhilsTime]

termokanden wrote...

Don't forget that all SMGs get a huge bonus against shields and barriers, including the Locust. So it IS quite good against them.

I like the Locust because it gives me an assault rifle (more or less) for my non-soldiers. So useful when starting out on insanity so you're not stuck with a low ammo pistol for long ranges.

When I have the long ranges covered I prefer the Tempest by far. Most fun SMG of them all. Good to use for CQC as an infiltrator for example.

yah i always use the heavy pistol for long range i mean i can be using my sniper rifle and then pull out my pistol and still be able to shoot them, yah no heath comes over there head but still does damage. this last playthrough was the first time i use the smg but i only had a smg and pistol unlike my first playthrough(soldier) and second(**** the class u get the sniper with smg and pistol).

[Labrev]

I found it to be really inaccurate, even at close range, when not aimed.

Not a big fan.

[The Spamming Troll]

i think that when you get in those situations when your staring a blue suns vanguard in the face and its just a race between who can put more bullets into the other, the temepst sucks. it never seems to fail for me.

i love the locust because it acts like a small clip AR. i dont understand the reason why caster classes get deligated to pistols and SMGs. its not cool at all.

[SSV Enterprise]

To make the Locust seem awesome.

[Badpanzer]

Awww...I kinda like the Tempest...never runs out of ammo and it seems deadly in my hands or the squads.
The Shuriken is a bit more accurate but so what?..its a sub machine gun not a sniper rifle
Im not sure what the rate of fire for both guns is but personally Ive always found the Tempest to be harder hitting than the Shuriken.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Accuracy at mid-range for Shep, mostly.

The damage reduction is indeed annoying, though.

[RGFrog]

I prefer the tempest over Shuriken or Locust. Full auto, high rate of fire. Great for stripping the most common defense in an Insanity run through.

It's hyper accurate in the hands of squadies. In my shep's use, I just make sure to start firing low and the rise usually ends up at or near the target's head. This usually clears the way for a biotic cast.

Toss a singularity at a group of husks and then just spray the tempest. With AP ammo it does a decent job of stripping armor. Then the singularity sucks them in and they die.

Is it perfect? Nah, the shuriken is the better choice if you're experienced at feathering the shots. The locust is far more accurate. For me, though, I mostly just want to open up the flood gates and the tempest does this well.

[Influ]

It's Locust for me if I need it's better performance at range. Otherwise it's Tempest all the way. I never use the Shuriken after I get either of the other two. It might be a bit more accurate than the Tempest and do more damage per shot, but the Tempest has double the clip size, higher rate of fire and loads of ammo in reserve. And I think it's initial accuracy might actually be better than the Shurikens, but it has terrible recoil. Firing it in bursts mid-range works just fine.

[DxWill10]

Locust > Tempest for shepard.

Tempest > Locust for squad mates

[wizardryforever]

Well the Tempest is a bullet-hose, essentially. There are times and builds in which a bullet-hose is very useful. SMGs are largely supposed to be "poor-man's assault rifles." I prefer the Locust, myself, but just because I like the precision it provides. For this reason I also like the Vindicator more than the Revenant on my Soldiers (which are semi-rare).

[SupidSeep]

Depending on the mission requirements too. Tali's Loyalty mission is full of shielded Geth at short-to-knife range >> Tempest.

On higher difficulties, I find a tendency for the Locust or Shuriken to empty out its magazine just as I got a target on the ropes - this rarely happened for the Tempest due to its much large ammo capacity / damage potential per mag.

One thing I dislike about having squadmates with the Tempest is that they spend more time out of cover shooting at targets (iirc squaddies tend to fire about half of the gun magazine per pop-up) and are consequently more vulnerable to damage.

[PauseforEffect]

Bad experiences with shuriken and locust have left me with a high distrust of them. Shuriken does deal high damage but it's kickback, stutter and all too short ammo capacity make it frustrating. The Locust, when I first tried it, simply was not dealing heavy enough damage before reload. Add in a high-pitch whine to its sound and I switched to Tempest. Steadier than Shuriken and with extra ammo amplified with incendiary to put down stubborn enemies.

[casedawgz]

I use the Tempest almost exclusively nowadays. I still prefer the Locust, but since the Firepower pack and the Mattock I just don't need it anymore. I use the Tempest for close range situations and stick with the Mattock most of the time otherwise.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Is it wrong that I find the default Shuriken pistol to be the overall best SMG?

[Influ]

Not really. Although I don't see much point to it since it's only better than the Locust on short range and the Tempest kicks its arse at short range. Still, it's not a bad weapon and does it's job.

Modifié par Influ, 24 mars 2011 - 09:15 .

[Praetor Knight]

 It's not wrong to like the Shuriken.

Check out this recent comparison: 

[Arr4err]

Tempest is good for ambushing as an infiltrator if you didn't take Shotgun training. In general it works better for you if you use it in close encounters.

[Ahglock]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

 It's not wrong to like the Shuriken.

Check out this recent comparison: 

Like many weapon tests semi informative.  The locust does improved damage vs armor, its multipier is x1.25 vs both shields and armor, where as the other smgs are x1.5 vs shields.  Also ammount of damage done per clip is less informative vs the Ymir than ammount of damage until cloak ends.  One is a set time, the other is variable.  I don't care if I use my full clip or not, what I care about is how much damage I do before I go to cover. 

Still overall I think it was set up bad by bioware.  The tempest is a weaker gun especially after upgrades.  While the tempest has a slighly better rate of fire, it is innacurate so you get less of the rate of fire increase in your usual DPS.  It kind of sucks that until the Kaumi pack the only SNG you find is on the Tali recruitment mission whcih is fairly deep into the game and it actually is worse than the starter gun. 

I usually use it anyways because I like a spray and pray game style. 

Modifié par Ahglock, 31 mars 2011 - 04:42 .

[ashwind]

No idea why but... I like Tempest when I am playing Vanguard - Only use it to strip Preatorian Barrier because for everything else XD there is the shotgun.

Actually Tempest has a huge clip and Preatorian is huge so no accuracy issue there - it actually strips the barrier faster than the Shuriken and the Locust because less reload required.

Sides - it is cool XD