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[zazally]

Ok so I am going through the deep roads thing in act 1 and I chose to not help this demon rock guy now I gotta fight him and boy he owns me on hard not even that healer guy can keep us all up we just get bent over any ideas on how to do this part? also back to my question is it possible to beat this game with no healers in your party? 

Thank you in advance.

[Vuokseniska]

well i did it mostly without any healing spells. you just need alot of coin for potions. But some instances are just too difficult. like the high dragon or the deep roads... i couldn't do it but maybe some l33tskilled player can

[zazally]

Bump thank you for that Vuokseniska would love other peoples ideas or maybe a guide?

[Madkipz]

If you are going to do this you will need to use a mage anyhow and you use the creation tree for haste and heroic aura so why not get heal?

[FedericoV]

zazally wrote...

Ok so I am going through the deep roads thing in act 1 and I chose to not help this demon rock guy now I gotta fight him and boy he owns me on hard not even that healer guy can keep us all up we just get bent over any ideas on how to do this part? also back to my question is it possible to beat this game with no healers in your party? 

Thank you in advance.

I play on hard and I have not a dedicate healer. My Hawke is a mage and I've not any healing spells since imho healing in this game is not effective and it's better to make damage, mitigate it or controll the enemy in some way. So, it's more than possible but simply put you have to build the party in the correct way using CCC and threat management skills.

The problem is that bosses are immune to anything so if you build a party that is effective for 90% of the game you will face some trouble during those fights wich is one of the thing I do not like about DA2 boss design. Not that healing will solve anything. I think that the only ability tree that is really helpfull against bosses is the entropy one and maybe the stone spells.

The battle with the Rock Wraith is hard but it's doable without a helaer. You have to:

- Understand the enemy pattern/attacks and move your party accordingly. Using the pilons for your defense is really the point of the whole battle.

- Use a lot of health potion. I mean, A LOT. I used something like 20 potions against that sucker.

- Dispatch of the electirc guys asap when the Wraith goes to sleep and then concentrate against him since in that moment it's helpless.

- Tank and spank. The optimal party is 3 ranged + one tank. Personally, I made it with 2 melee and 2 ranged but honestly Isabella during that fight was doing nothing if not attacking the electric guys and making some stagger combo. Mind, having 2 melee is worst for most boss fights but works very well for the rest of the game.

- Use Dog if you can. It was very important for me when I had low health on Aveline but I could not use a potion because of the long cooldown.

[Veryl01]

My first play through was with Hawk (two-handed), Aveline, Merrill and Varric. Only Used potions and got through the game just fine.

[Tainan7509]

2h warrior + reaver + potion is possible to do it on hard mode. But you really need to watch your situation closely.

[Loc'n'lol]

Mythal's blessing or lifeward potions help. May have to do a little kiting/hold position while potion cooldowns are finishing in some instances. Definitely doable though.

[Jman5]

Completely doable. In fact I believe it is superior than having one of your characters dedicated to healing.

I did my 2nd run on hard with Mage-Hawke and I only invested a single point in heal. It wasn't all that difficult in 99% of the fights.

Just to be sure, when he does his pink beam attack, are you hiding behind one of the pillars? His damage is dodgeable.

[Loc'n'lol]

Ah yeah, uh, about that rock wraith... I think it's best not to melee him. Especially when it starts getting angry and just explode for no apparent reason (but even before that it can one shot most of your peeps with its lunging attack). Just stay mostly at range, hit and run with your melee guys, until it prepares for the massive energy wave attack. Then you just take cover, kill all the adds as quickly as you can, and concentrate all your remaining firepower on the wraith before it recovers, and if you're quick enough about it, you can deal serious damage while taking very little yourself.

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 21 mars 2011 - 03:39 .

[Besetment]

I'm in Act II having not used a single healing spell on nightmare so I'd say its easily doable on hard given that you don't have to worry about your own splash damage. I haven't used many potions either. Certainly less than 5 and 3 of those were on the Ancient Rock Wraith.

Re: Ancient Rock Wraith. You cannot ever melee him until he opens up and spawns 8x profane adds. If you melee it at any other time it will hurt your dudes so badly. I did it by setting party to hold position and dodging between pillars until he does the lightning attack or the ball attack. After that, he opens up and spawns profanes. I had my ranged attackers pummelling the Ancient Rock Wraith and my melee dudes killing the profane adds.

I do cheese the AI something fierce though so as soon as a wave spawns I run at least one full radar's distance away and then engage. You only have to deal with 1x wave. The next wave will spawn outside your aggro radius, so you can save, auto regen health/stamina/mana, summon dog and then pull the next wave.

There are many fights on Nightmare which I just find impossible unless I do this (the Nexus Golem room is a case in point).

Modifié par Besetment, 21 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[Invalidcode]

DW rogue, Merrill, Varric + random member(mostly Isabela). Glass cannon builds too, not really a problem without healer, but of course you need potions and a lot of micro.

[Abispa]

On "normal" I had no problem, but on "hard" that boss became a whole new pain in the rear. Fenris for damage with a dog and Avaline for distraction worked best for me, though that kills the whole "Grey Warden" storyline.

[zeypher]

im playing on hard with a 3 rogue and 1 blood mage prty atm. in act 3 so far killed the dragon, didnt find the need for a tank or a healer.
Just make sure u carry resotoration potions, and for the dragon fight lifeward potion helps. I also carry a couple of mythals favour grenade in case i need to ressurect someone

Btw forgot to mention i was a rogue when i did this and merrill was the blood mage

Modifié par zeypher, 21 mars 2011 - 04:56 .

[x-president]

zazally wrote...

Ok so I am going through the deep roads thing in act 1 and I chose to not help this demon rock guy now I gotta fight him and boy he owns me on hard not even that healer guy can keep us all up we just get bent over any ideas on how to do this part? also back to my question is it possible to beat this game with no healers in your party? 

Thank you in advance.

If you disagree with the demon, I found it's best to fallback to the hallway you came in through.  All Rock Wraiths are weak to cold dmg and spirit.

So if you got Cone of Cold, blast that group that spawns behind you and run out of there. Also if you can, try to immbolize or stun the main demon.  He's really weak but you wanna get out of the center before the shades spawn.  Once you get into the hallway you should be ok.  Drop some aoe at the doorway and maybe a paralysis glyph to block it.  I dropped back all the way to the turn and held there.  It was still a tough fight.

If you have anders ability to revive it will help.  Don't even heal if you have that.  Just wait till your entire party dies and revive them all at once.

Falling back may seem cheesy to some, but you will just get swamped in the center.  Don't stand in the enemy's killzone, create your own. 

[Running_Blind]

You don't need a healer, you just need to set your party up differently. Abilities that reduce damage (Stone wall, Barrier), threat management abilities (Taunt/Armistice) to keep the enemy bouncing around between party members and being able to kill enemies quickly (High DPS/Cross class combos), basically you just have to make sure you don't get hit (much).

[Sriep]

Of course. If you have palyed nightmare you realise hard is not that difficult.

If your are concerned you could try putting
Self Helth < 25% - Use Health Potion
at the top of everyones TACTIS

[p95h]

I just use healing and pots. I guess there is a challenge in taking on a boss without using a "heal" spell, but pots are expensive!!!!! And if you can do it without pots, you are a better player than I am.

[FrozenDawn]

I tried the rock wraith without anders on nightmare, seemed not doable to me.
with anders it was easy, just a few heals on aveline, haste whene hes vulnareble and heroic auro for buffs...
I sometimes paly without healer but potions cost money :-/

[Running_Blind]

You shouldn't need to buy potions, if you have less than 4 you'll have an increased chance to find more. If you're in the middle of a fight and you're running low just loot some of the bodies, I'm almost certain that the loot is generated when you search the corpse, not when you kill the enemy.

The only ones I'd consider buying is the crafted ones as assassins' and rage demons' can't steal them.

[xDaltonx]

Running_Blind wrote...

The only ones I'd consider buying is the crafted ones as assassins' and rage demons' can't steal them.

Things can steal the regular HP's?  Never seen that. 

On topic:

I'm about 5 quests from wrapping up my first play through on hard and I didnt find the rock golem to be too challenging.  I did have a healer but I didnt have to use him too much.  Never lost anyone.

I kited the "ball roll sonic the hedgehog" move he does to get him to hit a pillar then when he pops out you have a few seconds to get him, but other than that, my main (2h w 2h spec/reaver spec) and aveline (tank with many sustained defense abilities) just stayed in his face whaling on him.  Pots for aveline as needed (with some heal support) and the reaver devour for PC kept them going nely.   I had varic and anders for the other two.  My varic just did the typical kite and shoot tactics while anders shot some peas as him and kept the buffs coming with haste, heroic aura, ench. weapons, etc..  I'd think it'd be easy enough without a healer but I can't say i tried it on this play through.  I may have to load that save and try after i beat the game.  I'm ready to wrap this play up though so i can try a 2h rouge =-). 

High dragon was fun lol, and i would recommend a healer there.  I took the same crew as mentioned above.

[mtripp]

FrozenDawn wrote...

I tried the rock wraith without anders on nightmare, seemed not doable to me.
with anders it was easy, just a few heals on aveline, haste whene hes vulnareble and heroic auro for buffs...
I sometimes paly without healer but potions cost money :-/

I don't get how so many of you talk about potions costing too much money.  They drop more frequently the fewer you have in your inventory.  I probably have purchased about 3 total and I play a party of Aveline and 3 rogues that drink em like mad.  

Modifié par mtripp, 22 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[mtripp]

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Modifié par mtripp, 22 mars 2011 - 07:50 .