Well we know how Hawke has risen to power... But I feel as though he is not powerful at all. I can't tell that Hawke is really powerful or not. Yes he defeated the Arishok and that made him the Champion and that he defeated both Orsino and Meredith. And word has been heard all over Thedas. But even though he defeated both of them, I feel as though he is not powerful. And I think this is all his fault.
Rise to Power?
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Shadedclan
, mars 21 2011 01:38
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 02:10
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The Arishok was a well seasoned military leader..and a Quanari. It is an accomplishment to best him in single combat. Orisino was the master enchanter of the circle.(feel like I forgot the actual title) which means he is one powerful mage...along with the fact that he uses blood magic to empower himself even further. Meredith is a veteran knight-commander of the templars, a nuts one at that with a lyrium blade crafted from the idol. Hawke defeated all of them, that takes a bit of skill. Not to mention his ability to influence others and basically go from a refugee to a well respected political figure and Champion of Kirkwall. He may not have defeated and ancient evil...but he certainly seems stronger than an average joe to me.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 02:26
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I don't think it's fair to say that all this is Hawke's fault. Bertrand's expedition would have happened anyway and he might even have gotten that cursed statue. The Qunari would have shown up (thanks to Castillion), and tension in Kirkwall would have lead to an explosive situation.
I also think Meredith was more than half-way to crazy town already. Hawke just sped things up. I also thing Anders would have caused a mage revolution anyway.
I also think Meredith was more than half-way to crazy town already. Hawke just sped things up. I also thing Anders would have caused a mage revolution anyway.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 02:28
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I don't know if it's Hawke's fault at all - take Hawke out of the DA2 story and see how it holds up. You might be surprised at the result.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 02:30
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He didn't exactly do it alone, apart from besting the Arishok, Orsino and Meredith required companions and Templar or mage cannon fodder.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 02:32
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rma2110 wrote...
I don't think it's fair to say that all this is Hawke's fault. Bertrand's expedition would have happened anyway and he might even have gotten that cursed statue. The Qunari would have shown up (thanks to Castillion), and tension in Kirkwall would have lead to an explosive situation.
I also think Meredith was more than half-way to crazy town already. Hawke just sped things up. I also thing Anders would have caused a mage revolution anyway.
Yeah, have to agree with this mindset more so. Feels like Hawke is more of an accessory to all of these pieces rather then the main cause. Granted Hawke probably shaped the outcome of these situations, they probably would of happened one way or the other without his/her input.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 02:32
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Simiancustard wrote...
He didn't exactly do it alone, apart from besting the Arishok, Orsino and Meredith required companions and Templar or mage cannon fodder.
And what hero in the history of mankind did his exploits alone? I mean Alexander didn't exactly conquer half the world on his own, but it's easier to remember the one that's giving the orders, then to remember everyone that died, tryign to fulfill them.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 02:36
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He's never risen to power; I still scavenge Torn Trousers and all that stuff to sell and get something to eat. 
Seriously, "Viscount" etc, and not enough gold to spent? Is he donating them all to the Chantry or something? Although I agree, besting everyone mentioned is no easy task, and power is not always wealth or being the mayor. It might refer to psychological power, enduring his whole family's loss (not "whole" if you save a sibling) and still fighting with all his might.
Seriously, "Viscount" etc, and not enough gold to spent? Is he donating them all to the Chantry or something? Although I agree, besting everyone mentioned is no easy task, and power is not always wealth or being the mayor. It might refer to psychological power, enduring his whole family's loss (not "whole" if you save a sibling) and still fighting with all his might.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 02:47
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Initially I was going to agree with the OP, but then I thought about it. Hawke went from a poor refugee to one of the most influential people in Kirkwall. Although we don't have as much direct control over the city as we may have wanted, just think about that. Most people, even nobles, don't have unlimited access to the Viscount. They also are not brought before the Knight Commander and First Enchanter to act as mediators for political decisions. I think "Rise to Power" is a fair assessment of the events we saw...
