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[solution_nine]

Baaleos wrote...

Im gonna try that one...
'Justice turned me gay'. Lol

I guess the reason the dev's tried to make Anders Sexuality Subjective, is because.



1. A Girl wont want to romance a gay guy.
2. A Gay Guy wont want to Romance a Straight Guy... (obviously the dev's have not got a clue what goes on in the minds of gay guys...)


The dev's tried to make it appeal to everyone, and to do that, they tried to maintain shades of grey opposed to definitive black and white, straight and gay.

Instead, they made
'Anders is Losely Bi' if your male,
and
'Anders is straight if your female'


I too disagree with the whole Shades of Grey approach.
If the characters are being wrote to be romancable, then for the love of god, will the Writers please commit to a path, make Anders gay or straight, and commit to it.

Its like their scared to create a 'gay character', instead they wana make a Bi-Sexual guy who swings both ways, because they think that will please both sides of the fence.

But it's NOT subjective! He had sex with Karl whether he outright says it or not! This is CANON.

This is my entire point. Also, why wouldn't a guy or girl want to romance a bisexual guy? The other three (or five, if we include Leliana and Zevran) are bi, and nobody is making a stink over them!

[mesmerizedish]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

@Maria Calibarn: Ah, I see. That piece of sarcasm just went straight over my head then. My bad.

Very rarely, Maria misunderstands me.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 21 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[tanuki]

Ok I admit... I am offended by his supposed bisexuality because....


....damn that Carl mage was so UGLY! I'm offended imagining anything has been between them lol. Couldnt he find some decent-looking guy at least? That's why in my femHawke playthrough where I romanced him he's either straight or at least didnt have any relationship with Carl except friendship.

[QwibQwib]

Not all the characters are written by Mr. Gaider, it's funny though all the characters he writes ends up with my Hawke

[SurelyForth]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Being offended that he's bisexual is ridiculous. However, if you play Awakening and DA2 as a female, there's nothing at all to suggest that he's anything but heterosexual. So it comes down to people thinking that his sexuality is a game mechanic and not a characterization choice.

For the record, I am mega-bummed that he doesn't tell Lady Hawke about Karl. Mine would given him a bi-five and it would have given the entire Tranquility quest so much more weight.

Well (these are nit-picky things, yes, but they're there if you want to see them), he has a few off-color banters with Nathaniel, and expressing an interest in women doesn't mean you're actually interested in them. I think it's clear that the way Anders interacts with his environment in Awakening is largely a defense mechanism.

But the weight in Awakening is towards him thinking women are attractive, up to and including him checking out Namaya as she walks away. I know that you can flirt with people you would never sleep with or want to pursue a relationship with, but there are little things outside of him hitting on Andraste and the female Warden.

And I'm not arguing against him being legitimately bisexual at all. I always assumed that he was probably pretty fluid. I just understand why some people could see him being so very bisexual in DA2 as being something for the the players rather than for the character. If that makes sense.

[Maria Caliban]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Very rarely, Maria misunderstands me.

I knew exactly what you meant.

QwibQwib wrote...

Not all the characters are written by Mr. Gaider, it's funny though all the characters he writes ends up with my Hawke

I've seen people demand David answer for the difficulty levels. At least this thread is actually about the game's writing.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 mars 2011 - 04:26 .

[Thiefy]

@ishmaeltheforsaken: Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification but I think it's getting a little weird that a thread talking about the 'subjectivity of Anders' sexuality' is suddenly filling with pictures of My Laidlaw

[Captain_Obvious]

SurelyForth wrote...

For the record, I am mega-bummed that he doesn't tell Lady Hawke about Karl. Mine would have given him a bi-five and it would make the entire Tranquility quest so much more meaningful.

I agree 100% that it would have made the quest better.  It totally would make more sense in the "I have removed the chance for compromise" situation by more deeply showing what Anders had lost that forced him to take matters into his own hands. 

[errant_knight]

Personally, I don't care for the 'everyone is bi' characterization in DA2. I'd much prefer that characters have a well developed past history that includes sexual preference, with some charaters being straight, some bi, and some gay. I want them to have strong opinions about things that will lead them to be uninterested if my PC doesn't meet their personal criteria. It makes them more interesting, and more real. To me it just adds to the over the top feel of the game that every LI is available to the PC for romance, regardless of gender and PC characterization.

[LastFadingSmile]

solution_nine wrote...


But it's NOT subjective! He had sex with Karl whether he outright says it or not! This is CANON.

Canon? What's your source on that? I'm genuinely curious.

[mesmerizedish]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

For the record, I am mega-bummed that he doesn't tell Lady Hawke about Karl. Mine would have given him a bi-five and it would make the entire Tranquility quest so much more meaningful.

I agree 100% that it would have made the quest better.  It totally would make more sense in the "I have removed the chance for compromise" situation by more deeply showing what Anders had lost that forced him to take matters into his own hands. 

Which is kind of a stab-in-the-heart to anyone who romances him, amirite? "I love Karl enough to blow up the Chantry for him, but I don't love you enough to stop."

[Trophonius]

The thing about Anders is that I can't pretend he's gay in my game when he's obviously interested in women as well. IMO, he's legitimately bi in both m!Hawke and f!Hawke romance paths. I believe Mr. Gaider commented that just because he never mentions/alludes to Karl being his lover in the f!Hawke romance doesn't mean he's straight.

[Thiefy]

huh am i the only one thinking that during awakening anders may not have been aware he had attraction to males until karl? anyone?

i mean it's not an uncommon story, that a person doesn't know their orientation until they try something different and figure they like it just as much or better.

[mesmerizedish]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

huh am i the only one thinking that during awakening anders may not have been aware he had attraction to males until karl? anyone?

i mean it's not an uncommon story, that a person doesn't know their orientation until they try something different and figure they like it just as much or better.

Karl happened long before Awakening. Karl was his first everything, not just his first man.

[Thiefy]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

huh am i the only one thinking that during awakening anders may not have been aware he had attraction to males until karl? anyone?

i mean it's not an uncommon story, that a person doesn't know their orientation until they try something different and figure they like it just as much or better.

Karl happened long before Awakening. Karl was his first everything, not just his first man.

didn't realize this as i have not played dude hawke yet. was he really the first everything? i was under the assumption that anders had been with several people even before awakening?

[mesmerizedish]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

didn't realize this as i have not played dude hawke yet. was he really the first everything? i was under the assumption that anders had been with several people even before awakening?

Almost certainly. What I'm saying was that his relationship with Karl happened long before that, when he was at the Circle at Lake Calenhad.

[lillegraa]

Ashley_82 wrote...

Ok I admit... I am offended by his supposed bisexuality because....


....damn that Carl mage was so UGLY! I'm offended imagining anything has been between them lol. Couldnt he find some decent-looking guy at least? That's why in my femHawke playthrough where I romanced him he's either straight or at least didnt have any relationship with Carl except friendship.

well maybe he was friendly. Could be that Anders isn't all that shallow.

[Thiefy]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

didn't realize this as i have not played dude hawke yet. was he really the first everything? i was under the assumption that anders had been with several people even before awakening?

Almost certainly. What I'm saying was that his relationship with Karl happened long before that, when he was at the Circle at Lake Calenhad.

Yes I understand it just seems a bit weird because, well Anders would have left Karl or vice versa....and Anders doesn't really seem the type ot leave someone he cares for in search of greener pastures I guess. Unless Karl left Anders, then does that mean him getting upset about Karl is just someone who was shunted and still has lingering feelings even several years later or have they reconciled or....? i mean if he was single but still had lingering feelings for his first love maybe that makes sense why he moved onto hawke so fast but the other way....honestly it doesn't matter either way but i do feel a little left out that as a femhawke i am missing out on a chunk of characterization now.

[mesmerizedish]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Yes I understand it just seems a bit weird because, well Anders would have left Karl or vice versa....and Anders doesn't really seem the type ot leave someone he cares for in search of greener pastures I guess. Unless Karl left Anders, then does that mean him getting upset about Karl is just someone who was shunted and still has lingering feelings even several years later or have they reconciled or....? i mean if he was single but still had lingering feelings for his first love maybe that makes sense why he moved onto hawke so fast but the other way....honestly it doesn't matter either way but i do feel a little left out that as a femhawke i am missing out on a chunk of characterization now.

Their relationship never gets many details, just that it was there. On the one hand, maybe they were teenagers, and grew out of one-another*, but did so amicably? Or maybe, once Anders started trying to escape every three days, they realized that they couldn't continue their relationship. The bottom line is that there's just not enough information available




*No pun intended *snigger*

[Herr Uhl]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

huh am i the only one thinking that during awakening anders may not have been aware he had attraction to males until karl? anyone?

i mean it's not an uncommon story, that a person doesn't know their orientation until they try something different and figure they like it just as much or better.

Karl *sniggers imagining a tall muscled hairy man with a porn mustache and Anders feeding eachother strawberries at sunset*

Don't mind me.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 21 mars 2011 - 04:56 .

[Auora]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I don't think she's very active. She's posted quite recently, actually, but she only has one forum friend. Which is very frustrating. I'm trying to collect all the writers, but I'm too intimidated to add her.

Gotta catch'em all?


Further on topic.....Why does Anders have to be Gay, Bi, Straight or anything at all? Why can't he just be a PERSON who seeks Hawke's companionship? His sexuality should not determine his character. 

[Purdicus]

Baaleos wrote...
1. A Girl wont want to romance a gay guy.

Not true! 

[mesmerizedish]

Purdicus wrote...

Baaleos wrote...
1. A Girl wont want to romance a gay guy.

Not true! 

Indeed! Grace was in love with Will.

[Thiefy]

Well whatever I guess. I wish their could have at least been a small tender moment for them or something. I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff.

Also, I dont really agree with "Karl should have been prettier." That just reminds me of hags that I work with at my part time job. They see a really cute or hot guy with a girl they think "isn't pretty enough" and then start making nasty comments about her or talking about how stupid the guy is and how he could be doing better. It sucks when you are the only person saying "Well maybe she has a great personality" or "maybe she is just having a relaxing day and doesn't want to dress up" and I get berated for being naive or just told to shut up. I hate women like that. Just come out and say your husband is a fat slob and you wish he was that good looking or caring as that guy and that no matter how much better you think you are than that "ugly" girl, you aren't getting her man.

/end mini rant. sorry, totally out of place but i don't think looks should matter THAT much. obviously it doesn't to anders.

[CorruptedRed]

I always figured Bioware made all the companions bi-sexual to try and make everyone happy. People ****ed and moaned about Alistair being fem-only and Morrigan being male-only. Though Anders didn't give the whole "I believe that you love a person for who they are, not what they are" (or something along those lines) speech to my fem-Hawke, I agree and understand what he was saying. Same goes for the rest of the companions. I've always seen the situation as how it was hundreds and thousands of years ago when there really wasn't such a thing as gay, bi, or straight. People did their business with whomever they wanted. But yea...IMO anyways.