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[Taura-Tierno]

Bathead wrote...

solution_nine wrote...

Bathead wrote...

Perhaps Anders was still "in the closet", so to speak, In Awakenings?
My best frind in High School was a babe magnet, all the ladies loved him, and he pretty much dated a good number of fairly hot chicks. A few years later, after graduation, well ... I think you can guess where this is going. I can honestly say all that time in High School, even as his best friend, I didn't have a clue he was actually gay. (althought that may say more about me than him.,LOL)

Possibly? He hooked up with Karl when he was still at the Circle, but I guess it's possible he hadn't come to terms with it. But just like your friend there, just because he's not running through the streets proclaiming it doesn't mean he doesn't feel that way.

I wouldn't know, I never did Awakenings (yet).
As far as my friend goes, he told me later he knew he was gay since before I knew him. He was definitely hiding that fact the whole time. He had enough hassles from idiot 50's leftover greasy haired leather jacket wearing Fonzie wannabes  who only wore black socks because any other colored socks (especially white) were for "F**s",  picking on him because he was a " long-haired hippie". Could you imagine what he would have went thru if they knew he was gay? He was quite deliberately  "in the closet". which is kinda why I suggested that about Anders. It's never really stated outright, as far as I can tell,  what the  prevailing attitude towards gays is amongst the general population of Thedas.

I don't remember in which thread, but David Gaider posted something about same-sex relationships. Basically, iirc, he said that the Chantry is much more tolerant about that than the catholic church, so there's no inherent stigma to it as such. However, nobility and others who really want (or need) their children to procreate are going to look askance at their children being with someone of the same sex, because, well, that would mean there'll be no grandchildren. No way to continue the noble line ... And that in Orlais, being with someone of the same sex is considered scandalous, but on the other hand, they like scandals and try to outdo each other in scandalous behaviour. And he also said, I think, that same-sex relationships are mostly done in private and that there's no community for it, so it'd be difficult to really find someone to be with. 

So the impression I got was, that it's more tolerant than our world (it's not inherently sinful or anything like that), but it's not widely accepted either. And that there definitely are intolerant people. 

[tanuki]

sassperella wrote...

Why does it matter what everyone else thinks? From how your game plays you can choose to see the characters however you like based on the information given. Several things happen in origins, awakenings and da2 that pan out differently for different people. There is supposedly no cannon for a lot of things.

I enjoy the game as presented without worrying what decisions other people make and if I only get the info that a char is straight i'll see them as straight and vice versa. It's not about bias or bigotry for me it's about immersion in my game and how I see my game world through the information given. I don't feel the need to insist that because I experienced something one way and someone else didn't that they should see it my way.

Why not just enjoy your game, enjoy your immersion and base your experience on what you actually see.

^ *agrees*

[berelinde]

sassperella wrote...

Why does it matter what everyone else thinks? From how your game plays you can choose to see the characters however you like based on the information given. Several things happen in origins, awakenings and da2 that pan out differently for different people. There is supposedly no cannon for a lot of things.

I enjoy the game as presented without worrying what decisions other people make and if I only get the info that a char is straight i'll see them as straight and vice versa. It's not about bias or bigotry for me it's about immersion in my game and how I see my game world through the information given. I don't feel the need to insist that because I experienced something one way and someone else didn't that they should see it my way.

Why not just enjoy your game, enjoy your immersion and base your experience on what you actually see.

I've been in support of this forever.

A writer can shape perception based on what is or is not revealed, but once the game hits player hands, it's up to the player what to decide what to make of it. There is no One True Anders, about whom we will all agree on every detail. And that's the way it should be.

Mind you, I would have preferred that Anders' relationship with Karl were revealed to both genders because of the emotional impact of killing a lover, especially given the decisions the player will have to make later in the game, but I can guess why it was omitted. Some people of exclusive sexual orientation (all straight or all same-sex) are sensitive about pursuing someone who has had a bisexual experience. By implying that Anders' encounters have been solely with the PC's gender, this awkwardness is avoided. Another is introduced, in the sense that there is no canon sexual preference, but that does not diminish what the PC shares with him.

[stwu]

Well since there is no canon and your epilogues are just hearsay it's up to the players personal experience to determine what is valid for them.