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[Dread Boy]

Sorry if it's already known but i imported a save from DA:O and Finding Nathaniel isn't there in Act 3 I get Fool's Gold in Act 2 instead.

[SonvarTheMighty]

I'm pretty certain you have to import a save that completed Awakening in which Nathaniel lived to get that quest otherwise you get Fool's Gold.

[Dread Boy]

All of which i did

[MoogleNut]

I'm getting the same bug despite Nathaniel most definitely surviving (and saving big brother Cousland from an attack no less).

[Dread Boy]

I believe it is probably a bug in the import system itself

[Heather Cline]

More than likely a bug from what I'm seeing.

[SonvarTheMighty]

Well you didn't say it was an import from Awakenings which is why I said that it should be that way. With that said you are using one then a bug with their importer. If it did work it is known that Nathaniel will say the Architect survived no matter what.

[Dread Boy]

I don't particularly as i did spare him, darkspawn lover that i am

[SirLysander]

Has Bioware acknowledged this Bug?

* Fully upgraded Vigil's Keep; got the endgame notice that Nathaniel saved the elder surviving Cousland

*Used the lastin-time Autosave from Witch Hunt/Awakenings and from DA:Awakenings (in different playthroughs), but still no Nathaniel.

[myaari]

SirLysander wrote...

Has Bioware acknowledged this Bug?

* Fully upgraded Vigil's Keep; got the endgame notice that Nathaniel saved the elder surviving Cousland

*Used the lastin-time Autosave from Witch Hunt/Awakenings and from DA:Awakenings (in different playthroughs), but still no Nathaniel.

They've acknowledged that they are aware of it, I believe, but have not (to my knowledge) speculated on the causes.

It is my hunch that it's not an import bug per se, but rather a problem with plot flagging in Awakening (that is, DA2 is correctly importing incorrect information from Awakening). If you'll recall, when saving Amaranthine in Awakening, your codex updates to say that each NPC not in your current party dies at the Keep, even if the Keep is fully upgraded and the Epilogue later reveals that they survived and lived happily ever after. It seems that the plot flags for each character left at the Keep are automatically set to "Dead" when saving Amaranthine - and since Awakening has no post-epilogue save, this false (according to the epilogue, anyway) information is what gets transfered into DA2. Hard to believe this was overlooked, perhaps, but there it is.

The corollary to this is, it should be possible to meet Nathaniel in DA2 with an Awakening import if a) you save Vigil's Keep instead of Amaranthine (so, you know, the selfish route) or you keep Nathaniel in your party when saving Amaranthine instead of leaving him at the Keep (and accept that half the cast of Awakening is always going to be stone cold canon-dead no matter what you do, and no matter what the Epilogue says). Not a very satisfying "fix," I'll admit, but if I'm right in assuming that the problem is with Awakening and not DA2, it might be the only "fix" us console peasants will ever see (since I assume the dev team is hard at work on patching DA2 and prepping the inevitable DLCs, nobody is going to go back and patch Awakening).

I could be wrong! If anyone has an Awakening import where Nathaniel was in the winning party or in which Vigil's Keep was chosen over Amaranthine and Nathaniel still didn't show up in DA2, let me know.

[SirLysander]

myaari wrote...

They've acknowledged that they are aware of it, I believe, but have not (to my knowledge) speculated on the causes.

It is my hunch that it's not an import bug per se, but rather a problem with plot flagging in Awakening (that is, DA2 is correctly importing incorrect information from Awakening). If you'll recall, when saving Amaranthine in Awakening, your codex updates to say that each NPC not in your current party dies at the Keep, even if the Keep is fully upgraded and the Epilogue later reveals that they survived and lived happily ever after. It seems that the plot flags for each character left at the Keep are automatically set to "Dead" when saving Amaranthine - and since Awakening has no post-epilogue save, this false (according to the epilogue, anyway) information is what gets transfered into DA2. Hard to believe this was overlooked, perhaps, but there it is.

The corollary to this is, it should be possible to meet Nathaniel in DA2 with an Awakening import if a) you save Vigil's Keep instead of Amaranthine (so, you know, the selfish route) or you keep Nathaniel in your party when saving Amaranthine instead of leaving him at the Keep (and accept that half the cast of Awakening is always going to be stone cold canon-dead no matter what you do, and no matter what the Epilogue says). Not a very satisfying "fix," I'll admit, but if I'm right in assuming that the problem is with Awakening and not DA2, it might be the only "fix" us console peasants will ever see (since I assume the dev team is hard at work on patching DA2 and prepping the inevitable DLCs, nobody is going to go back and patch Awakening).

I could be wrong! If anyone has an Awakening import where Nathaniel was in the winning party or in which Vigil's Keep was chosen over Amaranthine and Nathaniel still didn't show up in DA2, let me know.

This... was what I was afraid of.  After taking it somewhat slowly (70 hrs, +/-) through the first playthrough (and finding out about - and backtracking to avoid - the Isbella & Sebastian bugs), then taking my time through Act 1 on a second playthrough (34 hours thus far), it was incredibly  ... frustrating ... to Start Act 2, check the map, and find Yevhen's Quest Exclamation mark there.

After all the notifying Bioware of the Awakening Codex bugs, this inaction finally came around to "bite" us hard.  It's frustrating enough I think I'll finally hit Homefront's SP Campaign to get rid of this  ... frustration, before re-completing Awakening to manually correct their "oversight."  Thanks, Bioware!

[myaari]

SirLysander wrote...


This... was what I was afraid of.  After taking it somewhat slowly (70 hrs, +/-) through the first playthrough (and finding out about - and backtracking to avoid - the Isbella & Sebastian bugs), then taking my time through Act 1 on a second playthrough (34 hours thus far), it was incredibly  ... frustrating ... to Start Act 2, check the map, and find Yevhen's Quest Exclamation mark there.

After all the notifying Bioware of the Awakening Codex bugs, this inaction finally came around to "bite" us hard.  It's frustrating enough I think I'll finally hit Homefront's SP Campaign to get rid of this  ... frustration, before re-completing Awakening to manually correct their "oversight."  Thanks, Bioware!

Yeah, I feel you. Something did occur to me, though, which made me feel a little better: if you play Awakening "right" (that is, with DA2 in mind), then you only need to "sacrifice" one character in order to save Amaranthine. Anders and Justice can be safely left behind at the Keep, since we all know they make it into DA2 even if they die according to Awakening's plot flags (side note: would this mean that Anders in DA2 is not an abomination, but actually an Arcane Horror? ). That leaves only one character that can't fit into your party and will be dead as far as DA2 is concerned. If your endgame party is the Warden, Nathaniel (so he's alive for his DA2 quest) and Oghren (because who could live in a gameworld where Oghren is dead?), then you only need to choose whether you want a gameworld in which either Velanna is dead or Sigrun is dead. My Warden is Dalish, and Dalishes gotta stick together, so I'm afraid poor Sigrun is on the chopping block (doesn't she have a death wish anyway?). Fortunately, you can use Manuals of Focus to spec the new, DA2-friendly party to the exact parameters of your preferred party.

It's not an ideal solution exactly, but since I'd be willing to wager that this problem will never be patched due to its roots in Awakening, at least it's something. However, if there's a "Finding Sigrun" quest in DA3, I'm gonna be annoyed.

[Matt 2108]

N/m.

Modifié par Matt 2108, 29 mars 2011 - 12:35 .