Shouldn't he be close to death?
I apologize if this has already been addressed. I couldn't find it anywhere if it was.
Anywho, I was thinking about this the other day. Anders was made a Grey Warden in Awakening. I honestly have no idea how old he was when he met the warden, but I'm going to assume early to mid twenties. So, time with the warden passes, on top of seven to ten years with Hawke, thus making him almost thirty or a little over. In Origins, wasn't it said that wardens don't live that far into their thirties?
I suppose it's possible that Justice/Vengeance could have something to do with him remaining alive past those years? Any thoughts?
So if Anders is a Grey Warden...
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:03
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He would have 30 years, according to Alistair. He's still got some time on the clock.
Though you bring up a good point, and that is that some people could spin the Chantry bombing not just as the work of a mage but as the work of a Grey Warden, bringing the GWs into the conflict. Hmmm.
Though you bring up a good point, and that is that some people could spin the Chantry bombing not just as the work of a mage but as the work of a Grey Warden, bringing the GWs into the conflict. Hmmm.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:04
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Addai67 wrote...
He would have 30 years, according to Alistair. He's still got some time on the clock.
Though you bring up a good point, and that is that some people could spin the Chantry bombing not just as the work of a mage but as the work of a Grey Warden, bringing the GWs into the conflict. Hmmm.
No, he's left the Wardens. It was no more the work of the Wardens as it was the work of the Circle. There's more to being a warden than having gone through the Joining. That said, the common people might view it as an act by a warden, which would ****** the Wardens off to be sure.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:04
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Grey Wardens have about 20-30 years to live AFTER they are made Wardens, so I'd wager that he has between 10-20 years left on the clock. Assuming something else doesn't kill him first, of course.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:08
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Actually, what was said is that after Joining (IF you survive) you won't live more than thirty years (if you won't die fighting ds earlier), give or take a couple of years, and then teh nightmares come.
So Anders has about 20 years... thoi\\ugh we can always remember Avernus
Actually, what was said is that after Joining (IF you survive) you won't live more than thirty years (if you won't die fighting ds earlier), give or take a couple of years, and then teh nightmares come.
So Anders has about 20 years... thoi\\ugh we can always remember Avernus
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:10
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Skybound2X wrote...
Grey Wardens have about 20-30 years to live AFTER they are made Wardens, so I'd wager that he has between 10-20 years left on the clock. Assuming something else doesn't kill him first, of course.
OH. That makes more sense. Thanks for correcting me on that!
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:10
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He should have approx. 20 years left to go
Still, it must be some interesting knowledge to live with...
Still, it must be some interesting knowledge to live with...
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:14
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Dragonette29 wrote...
He should have approx. 20 years left to go
Still, it must be some interesting knowledge to live with...
Probably no more interesting than knowing that there's a spirit inside of you that's gradually stripping away the core of who you are and replacing it with a blind need for raw, violent vengeance.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:17
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And wasn't that Meredith's justification for annulling the Circle? I know she's bat**** and all but the common people may still connect it.No, he's left the Wardens. It was no more the work of the Wardens as it was the work of the Circle. There's more to being a warden than having gone through the Joining. That said, the common people might view it as an act by a warden, which would ****** the Wardens off to be sure.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:20
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And wasn't that Meredith's justification for annulling the Circle? I know she's bat**** and all but the common people may still connect it.
That was her justification, yes. However, she's was bat**** (as you say
), and we have no idea how the people would actually have reacted. The Right of Annulment is a great evil in and of itself, and it should not exist.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:22
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Yeah I meant people who either don't know any better or have an axe to grind. They're not going to care that he had left the Wardens and wasn't a Circle mage. Meredith is a preview of that, and I imagine she's not far wrong that people will be crying for blood even if the Circle wasn't responsible. So I was wondering if the Wardens and through them Anderfels might be drawn in, too.ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
He would have 30 years, according to Alistair. He's still got some time on the clock.
Though you bring up a good point, and that is that some people could spin the Chantry bombing not just as the work of a mage but as the work of a Grey Warden, bringing the GWs into the conflict. Hmmm.
No, he's left the Wardens. It was no more the work of the Wardens as it was the work of the Circle. There's more to being a warden than having gone through the Joining. That said, the common people might view it as an act by a warden, which would ****** the Wardens off to be sure.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:23
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Something I found interesting was when I convinced Grace to turn herself in, that one templar that you have to kill for helping her lived. Clicking on him reveals him to be very anti-mage and early in Act 3 he already says Meredith has sent to Orlais for the Rite of Annulment. I guess that does answer how she can invoke this rite since the GC is dead later on but DAMN.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:27
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Addai67 wrote...
Yeah I meant people who either don't know any better or have an axe to grind. They're not going to care that he had left the Wardens and wasn't a Circle mage. Meredith is a preview of that, and I imagine she's not far wrong that people will be crying for blood even if the Circle wasn't responsible. So I was wondering if the Wardens and through them Anderfels might be drawn in, too.
Ah, then yeah. There's enough there for people to blame anyone if they really wanted to. He was also Ferelden!
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 06:58
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Yeah, real courageous for a guy with a death sentence to start a war he won't have to live to see.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:04
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Someone should make a cure for the taint death thing. That way the Grey Warden's could last longer.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:05
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Medhia Nox wrote...
Yeah, real courageous for a guy with a death sentence to start a war he won't have to live to see.
Except he still had a couple of decades left? We just established that. He knew what he did would start something immediately. While he did expect to die for what he did, I don't think there was any nefariousness on his part concerning the taint and how even a life sentence for him would only be 20 years.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:07
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Someone should make a cure for the taint death thing. That way the Grey Warden's could last longer.
I can't tell if you're being ironic
There's Avernus, and then Fiona got her taint fixed.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:10
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No one knows what happened with Fiona and we don't know if what happened with Avernus could be done again without sacrificing a lot of other people.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:20
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Actually, what was said is that after Joining (IF you survive) you won't live more than thirty years (if you won't die fighting ds earlier), give or take a couple of years, and then teh nightmares come.
So Anders has about 20 years... thoiugh we can always remember Avernus
Avernus was able to resist the call, true. He was still sane and alive far longer than 30 years after his joining.
(Of course, he was also pretty damn evil, probably well before his Joining. Hell, he may have ended up with the Wardens in order to avoid being executed or made Tranquil for being a blood mage and demonologist.)
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:20
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No one knows what happened with Fiona and we don't know if what happened with Avernus could be done again without sacrificing a lot of other people.
No, I was just saying that there is a way, so I wasn't sure if the statement was ironic or not.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:20
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The manner in which Anders turned his back on the grey wardens really made me dislike him from the start of DA2. The Wardens are supposed to stay neutral and not involve themselves in the politics of the land. Anders slapped himself into the middle of the whole Mage v Templars war knowingly and subvertly and then blew up an innocent. For Shame Anders, For Shame
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:21
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The manner in which Anders turned his back on the grey wardens really made me dislike him from the start of DA2. The Wardens are supposed to stay neutral and not involve themselves in the politics of the land. Anders slapped himself into the middle of the whole Mage v Templars war knowingly and subvertly and then blew up an innocent. For Shame Anders, For Shame
To be fair, they did make him give up his cat.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:23
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And that is why he is crazy now=].ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Eire Icon wrote...
The manner in which Anders turned his back on the grey wardens really made me dislike him from the start of DA2. The Wardens are supposed to stay neutral and not involve themselves in the politics of the land. Anders slapped himself into the middle of the whole Mage v Templars war knowingly and subvertly and then blew up an innocent. For Shame Anders, For Shame
To be fair, they did make him give up his cat.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:29
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Eire Icon wrote...
The manner in which Anders turned his back on the grey wardens really made me dislike him from the start of DA2. The Wardens are supposed to stay neutral and not involve themselves in the politics of the land. Anders slapped himself into the middle of the whole Mage v Templars war knowingly and subvertly and then blew up an innocent. For Shame Anders, For Shame
Well, Wardens are supposed to be free from Chantry involvement and the WC recruited a templar and allowed him to templar all over Anders. So to be fair, they shot first.
And it's not like he announces it, anyway. There are probably not that many people who know that The Mage Who Blew Up The Chantry is named Anders, let alone that Anders was a Grey Warden.
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Posté 21 mars 2011 - 07:35
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SurelyForth wrote...
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The manner in which Anders turned his back on the grey wardens really made me dislike him from the start of DA2. The Wardens are supposed to stay neutral and not involve themselves in the politics of the land. Anders slapped himself into the middle of the whole Mage v Templars war knowingly and subvertly and then blew up an innocent. For Shame Anders, For Shame
Well, Wardens are supposed to be free from Chantry involvement and the WC recruited a templar and allowed him to templar all over Anders. So to be fair, they shot first.
And it's not like he announces it, anyway. There are probably not that many people who know that The Mage Who Blew Up The Chantry is named Anders, let alone that Anders was a Grey Warden.
Anders turned his back on the Wardens, he certainly does not deserve the protection the title grants him. Once he turned his back on them he then went against everything they stand for.
The Champion of Ferelden knows what happened, and he's gonna slap the taste out of his mouth when he catches up with him
