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[AGogley]

Telemachus78 wrote...

@ZombieGeisha: The whole scene on Horizon had terrible dialouge choices. The "Its been too long" dialouge made me cringe.

Absolutely agree.  There wasn't anything good to say and all the responses end up with Ashley saying pretty much the same thing.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Ice Cold J wrote...

I love how Bioware throws the word "cheating" around.

Think about this: if your "love interest" really "loved you," wouldn't they trust you when you told them that The Collectors were the real threat, or put aside their petty needs to topple an intergalactic crime boss to help you SAVE the very freakin' galaxy that he's trying to corrupt?

LotSB kinda corrects this, but in no way enough that I wouldn't consider taking someone who has my back all the way.

The same thing with Ash. If you're going to be mad with me because you feel I "cheated" on you, I'm gonna be pissed because you didn't help me in my hour of need.

If the "romance choice" scene is handled properly, it will be heartwrenching and a very emotional (possibly THE most emotional) moment in all of Mass Effect. If it's just a "you left me for her? What's wrong with you? Last chance to 'make right' " kinda-moment, it's REALLY gonna ruin either Ash or Liara for me.

I feel the same way, but about Kaidan and Garrus.(I wrote about my thought process in painful detail earlier.) It seemed pretty clear to me that, according to Kaidan, we were no longer officially together. He didn't say "wait for me." He didn't ask for time to think about it. He didn't say "I still love you." Every time he said the word love, he used the past tense. "I loved you!" He kept talking about his new life, about moving on.

That definitely messed me up. And then Garrus was there, all friendly and awkward. It was almost too easy, especially since it didn't feel like he was demanding anything from me. We were just going to relieve some tension, what's wrong with that? A bit of an expirimental fling.

I wish the dialogue options had given you more of an opportunity to get "something" back from the VS love interest. Even if it were just "I still love you, but I can't go with you." If it weren't for that damn past tense, I might not have been so upset, and it would have been easier to stay faithful. Now I can't get a bead on where Garrus is, when it comes to him being serious about "us." I don't want to hurt either of them, so I'm pretty well screwed.

It's all very dramatic, at least.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 23 mars 2011 - 08:58 .

[emmanuelsieyes]

I get the feeling that BioWare wanted ME2 to have a different feel. In ME1, Shepard is clearly in the right. Shepard has the support of the council (however little that may or may not mean). Shepard is fighting Saren (who is really, really, obviously evil). Shepard proceeds to save the galaxy, and everyone likes Shepard.

ME2 is a lot darker. I think that the writing is designed to be much more morally ambiguous -- is working to fight the Collectors enough to offset the evil that Cerberus has done? That said, Horizon dialog, and Tela Vasir's speech in LoTSB is designed to drive home that Shepard isn't obviously morally right here.

That said, I wasn't upset by Horizon. Of course, I didn't romance the VS. I didn't do any ME2 romances (I have either gone with nobody, or I have stayed loyal to Liara in all playthroughs). In that case, I thought of Horizon as being some interesting character development for Kaiden -- actually standing up for what he believes in, even though he did come off looking like a bit of an idiot.

Of course, I would like to send my condolences to the Ash/Kaiden fans who were offended by the dialogue - I think that just dumping an LI like that, with the only 'closure' being a fracking email was a bad move. The thing about ME romances is that it's very easy to get caught up in them. Look at most of the LI's romance dialog. They don't refer to the PC as 'Commander Shepard' -- they refer to the PC as 'you'. I've got a lot of respect for what BioWare does, but if they're going to include romanceable squadmates, they really need to support those characters throughout the entire lifecycle.

[MadCat221]

I'm sure they'd cover what the OP title is concerned about.

My concern is that they will treat leaving ME1 LI for a ME2 LI as "I cheated on u lol" regardless. Though Liara's acceptance somewhat allayed that, the ham-handed way that VS's reaction to you being stuck with Cerberus still leaves me concerned.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Whoever wrote Kaidan in the first game was really good at pushing my emotional buttons. I sometimes wonder whether Horizon was precisely calculated (or... calibrated?) to break your heart. Heck, after horizon, my first thought was "Boy, they sure want to make me feel free to romance someone new this time around, don't they?" 

Ash says you're the answer to her prayers. Kaidan talks about how he was trying to move on, to get over the guilt, and see other people. What does he expect me to do? Wait until "When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know." and see how he feels then? 

My whole crew survived, so I don't have the dramatic "my new love interest is dead" thing. Does the fact that Kaidan and Garrus know each other make it worse? Argh.

[Volus Warlord]

"Sorry Ash, but I needed to get some to fill the time."

*kick in the balls*

*two shots two the skull*

[Coach]

I'm open to rekindling the romance story w/ Ashley in my "personal canon" play through... and in fact would love that (in the hypothetical sense). But I don't think it's going to happen as my Shepard has been quite unfaithful after Horizon, and it's not likely Ashley would find much appealing about her skipper these days... their politics and view of humanity's role in the galaxy being so radically different now.

In order for a romance with Ashley to work, she'd essentially have to swear allegiance to Cerberus and renounce the Alliance. Otherwise, my Shepard could never consider taking her back or fully trusting her. And I just don't see that happening with Ashley. She's way too brain-washed / naive / set in her ways. So perhaps it's for the best that they'll not end the story together (much as I wish it were so). Theirs seems to have been a doomed and tragic love story from the start.

But sometimes those make for the best tales!