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[Lithuasil]

So throughout various threads in this forum I've seen people uphold the misconception that the Qunari would be cool, or badass, and several people have voiced outright incentive to join them.
How can anyone? The basic Idea of the Qun is that thinking is hard, responsibility makes the brain hurt, so why not just do what you're told. As interesting antagonists as they are, how can anyone support them? Those willfully submitting to the Qun are the most spineless, most pathetic individuals possibly imaginable - worse then any servant, worse then any slave because they willfully give themselves into slavery to avoid having to find purpose themselves. They neglect the very basis of what makes any conscious individual. Even the most shoddy beggar or cutthroat in darktown, even the most weak-willed bloodmage displays more backbone then the arishok does - at some point or another, those all at least tried, where the Arishok just goes "well the qun demands, and I'm too stupid to think or care on my own". How can anyone honestly praise and support those people, seriously? 

[JamesX]

Because Qunari seems to be such imposing figures. A lot of people simply judge a faction based on how "uber" it is. Few actually like the Qunari for their culture.

And you make it seem like following Duty is easy.  It is far easier for the Arishok to simply pack up and leave and have someone else get the relic, but he has no choice but to stay even though staying is the last thing he wanted.

You also seems that following Quan is easy.  Look at what Seamus did, if that didn't take courage then I am not sure what your definition of Courage is.

Or what the mage did.  He know he risked taint, and instead of living on because he is afraid of death (such as 99% of all human mages you meet in the story) he accepts his death because he doesn't wish the risk of endangerous those around him.  All over the belief that he may be tainted.  It might be moronic decision, but it doesn't lack courage.  To call them spinless is inaccurate.

Modifié par JamesX, 21 mars 2011 - 09:08 .

[Valus]

Or you could quit name calling and assume that some people think whole>individual.

It's primeval socialism. Roll with it.

[AlexXIV]

Because the Qun sounds better than it is. Have you ever thought why the Tal Vashoth exist? If the Qun was so great why would they leave it?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 21 mars 2011 - 09:06 .

[Herakleia]

At least until the end of chapter 2, it's probably at least plausible to believe that the Qun is something similar to a warrior code of honor. Moreover, the Templars are rubbing bad religion in your face. They too are suppressing independence of thought, with somewhat more negative effects on your friends and family than anything the Qunari have done so far.

So for at least 2/3 of the game, the Qun may well appear to be an attractive, Klingon-style belief system and a plausible alternative to the Chantry, which seems corrupt or ineffectual.

[Akron1983]

Worse than any servant or slave? Slaves and servants are bad people?

[Mox Ruuga]

Lithuasil wrote...

So throughout various threads in this forum I've seen people uphold the misconception that the Qunari would be cool, or badass, and several people have voiced outright incentive to join them.
How can anyone? The basic Idea of the Qun is that thinking is hard, responsibility makes the brain hurt, so why not just do what you're told. As interesting antagonists as they are, how can anyone support them? Those willfully submitting to the Qun are the most spineless, most pathetic individuals possibly imaginable - worse then any servant, worse then any slave because they willfully give themselves into slavery to avoid having to find purpose themselves. They neglect the very basis of what makes any conscious individual. Even the most shoddy beggar or cutthroat in darktown, even the most weak-willed bloodmage displays more backbone then the arishok does - at some point or another, those all at least tried, where the Arishok just goes "well the qun demands, and I'm too stupid to think or care on my own". How can anyone honestly praise and support those people, seriously? 

Finally!

Agreed on every word.

I swear, some fanboys on these boards would willingly become slaves for life if the big boss man had deep and masculine enough voice with clear enough inflection, like a certain Arishok. And double wielded an axe and a sword in cool enough manner.

But the writing team shares their adoring feeling, which is why the Chantry is always the bad guy in the interactions between these two creeds, and all characters written as reasonable and "good" view the Qun as at least a morally equivalent system to the Andrastian, dwarven, and elven creeds. Some of the writers have huge hard ons for this sort of conformist collectivism, apparently.

[Cuthlan]

I think the Qun is awful.

But I have respect for their blunt way of handling things.

[TexasToast712]

Because kids see horned talking beasts and automatically go "yo Dat dude is toTallY wickeD lOOkiNg yo! I wAntZ HoRnZ yO!" LOL

I played too much Diablo II back in the day so sadly I have no love for these beasts as the look like half the creatures in that game. That and I hate demons/Satan which is what they give the impression of to me.

[Lithuasil]

Akron1983 wrote...

Worse than any servant or slave? Slaves and servants are bad people?

They are, in the sense that I sincerely doubt anyone in this forum would go "did you see those elven slaves who clean Danarius' toilets. Dude, those are totally badass".

[Akron1983]

Lithuasil wrote...

Akron1983 wrote...

Worse than any servant or slave? Slaves and servants are bad people?

They are, in the sense that I sincerely doubt anyone in this forum would go "did you see those elven slaves who clean Danarius' toilets. Dude, those are totally badass".

They should. Cleaning toilets is a tough job

[Bondkakan]

Lithuasil wrote...
they willfully give themselves into slavery to avoid having to find purpose themselves.  

And the followers of the chant find their own purpose, right? I mean, it's not like they follow the teachings of Andraste. That would be silly.

[Lithuasil]

Bondkakan wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
they willfully give themselves into slavery to avoid having to find purpose themselves.  

And the followers of the chant find their own purpose, right? I mean, it's not like they follow the teachings of Andraste. That would be silly.

While I'm by now means a supporter of the chantry, the difference should be rather obvious, no?

[MasterSolo]

Lithuasil wrote...

So throughout various threads in this forum I've seen people uphold the misconception that the Qunari would be cool, or badass, and several people have voiced outright incentive to join them.
How can anyone? The basic Idea of the Qun is that thinking is hard, responsibility makes the brain hurt, so why not just do what you're told. As interesting antagonists as they are, how can anyone support them? Those willfully submitting to the Qun are the most spineless, most pathetic individuals possibly imaginable - worse then any servant, worse then any slave because they willfully give themselves into slavery to avoid having to find purpose themselves. They neglect the very basis of what makes any conscious individual. Even the most shoddy beggar or cutthroat in darktown, even the most weak-willed bloodmage displays more backbone then the arishok does - at some point or another, those all at least tried, where the Arishok just goes "well the qun demands, and I'm too stupid to think or care on my own". How can anyone honestly praise and support those people, seriously? 

If you don't agree with some it doesn't mean that their wrong, if I like strawberries and you don't it doesn't mean it's misconception to like strawberries.

Now to the point: Serving the qun is not exactly slavery, because they are not serving another person(I'm speaking about the people that willingly follow the idea of the Qun), but serving their society. If you're good at handling a sword, you're gonna be a soldier, and you're gonna serve the societies needs. Their society seems to be similar to a resource-based economic system and not a market-based one. They don't have a currency, and their society seems to function better, than any in Thedas. They don't waste anything, and they use everything to the good of the their society. Personally I don't agree with their ideas, since there doesn't seem to be any free will, however their society does seem function better, and every member has his purpouse.

[Haasth]

BECAUSE THEY ARE BIG, STRONG, MANLY GRRRRRR. THEY KILL STUFF AND HATE MAGIC, RAAAAAAR.
QUNARI SMAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH!

...Honestly, I hate those simple minded bastards! 
(No I am not stereotyping, I am stating facts. Do not try to argue with me, I am right and you know it! )

They do make playing Mages so much more enjoyable.

Modifié par Haasth, 21 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[Count Viceroy]

I love to hate the Qunari. They certainly don't make it hard to do so.

[Maelora]

They're vermin and they all need butchering. Killing the Arishok was satisfying.

[Dark Specie]

I'd say that it's aprtly because they are brutally honest and straightforward fellows, compared to many of the other factions we meet in the game.

Also, the whole Qun concept of The whole > The Indvidual may appeal to some people. We know that for example, in the Qunari lands, there are no merchants as we know it - because the Qunari simply make what they need for each other - I assume that comes down to soemthing so simple that if you need food there, tools or whatever you may need, you simply have to ask and it will be provided.

There's also the equality oiffered by the Qun. Look at elves, for example - within the Qunari society, they can, should they have proven themselves capable of this, archieve positions of power, which would be impossible anywhere else in Thedas. Likewise, thye could receive th ekind of justice few if any other courts/judges in tHedas would give them. Under the Qun, everyone within it is more or equal.

All in all - when you look at it, the Qunati society is probably the most orderly and well-fuctioning sociey in Thedas. Which means that there's plenty to admire about it, even if it isn't a society which supports indviduality, the western idea of a family or the concept of men/women's roles that we have in the current, modern times.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Possibly for the same reason some support the Legion in Fallout: New Vegas?  Either they:

a) don't really like the system but think it's better than the alternatives
or
are searching for certainty - and Sten and the Arrishok are nothing if not certain.  There can be great comfort in completely embracing an ordered set of beliefs - whether philosophical, religious, political, or economic.

Or they might just think the horns look cool.

[Bondkakan]

Lithuasil wrote...

Bondkakan wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
they willfully give themselves into slavery to avoid having to find purpose themselves.  

And the followers of the chant find their own purpose, right? I mean, it's not like they follow the teachings of Andraste. That would be silly.

While I'm by now means a supporter of the chantry, the difference should be rather obvious, no?

I was just saying that the appeal of the The Chantry to me is on the same level as the Qun is to you.

[Dark Specie]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...
Or they might just think the horns look cool.

Now I'm suddenly wondering if there's some underground trade for Qunari horns in Thedas. For, you know, the same reason that rhinoceros-horns (or, in Mass Effect, Krogan testicles) are highly sought after by people thinking they have a certain use...

[LadyJaneGrey]

Dark Specie wrote...

Now I'm suddenly wondering if there's some underground trade for Qunari horns in Thedas. For, you know, the same reason that rhinoceros-horns (or, in Mass Effect, Krogan testicles) are highly sought after by people thinking they have a certain use...

Hey, the Tal-Vashoth have to survive that first year of exile somehow.   Maybe that's the real reason they cut 'em off?

[The Spirit of Dance]

my aunt likes the qunari because she thinks they look sexy.

[Lithuasil]

Bondkakan wrote...


I was just saying that the appeal of the The Chantry to me is on the same level as the Qun is to you.

With the decisive difference, that the chantry tolerates different levels of faith, where the Qunari have that whole "convert or kill" thing going on.

[Akron1983]

"I have one horn already and its the most awesome thing I have. Imagine if I had 2 more!"