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[sagefic]

Okay, so I'm contemplating Morrigan's "offer" - I haven't gotten there (so please no major spoilers) but I'm contemplating how bad it will be to take it.

On the one hand, impregnating witch with demon child in order to save a life = good, right?

On the other hand, if the CG Beowulf and the Morte d'Arthur have taught us anything, it's that demon spawn of witches ALWAYS come back to haunt you in about 25 years.

Of course, I'm only living for 30, but that seems awfully selfish to unleash THAT on the world.

This is total speculation, but speculate with me - what exactly IS she taking off with her? Is this just a sort of queasy proposition, or the start of something really, really bad (like, epic "swooping")?

 

[Noone of Importance]

the thing is noones sure, will the child be an archdemon in human form? will it be one of the old gods of Tevinter reborn, will it become a redeemed god to help the world?



this is the crux of the dilema, Kill the Arch, Sacrifice a Warden and you get a known quantity Demon dead, darkspawn flee, blight ends,



take the deal and your getting Demon dead(ish), darkspawn flee, blight ends, and you keep all your wardens in the fight, BUT who knows what the future holds, dare you risk all

[marshalleck]

More than just a demon.

[Kohaku]

I think it's the start of something terribly bad. I let her do it however, I just want things my way. She can have her kid as long as it stays out of my way.

[sagefic]

sigh.

this is what i was fearing. i can't believe i know how badly this is going to end and yet i can't give up this game anyhow. CURSE YOU BIOWARE!

Gahhh....steeling self for...final...sacrifice..... (so gonna have me some Alistair before I go)

edit: is there anyone else out there who opted to sacrifice self rather than take morrigan's offer? i just find it some completely revolting that i just can't even imagine doing that. i'm a mom though, so i just cannot imagine sending some little baby (Demon or otherwise) out into the world without knowing how evil it will become or what morrigan will do with it.

Modifié par sagequeen, 17 novembre 2009 - 04:51 .

[Noone of Importance]

its one of those things that could go so many ways, for instance who knows a reborn old god might be able to help stop / curtail the next blight alot easier and maybe even redeem another god without any sacrifices? or it could be evil plot of doom and unleash a greater horror upon the world



call it in the air

*flips a coin

[Nhani]

My gut feeling told me it was a very.. uhm.. swooping .. offer. I mean, she came swooping into my room and offered to swoop down on Alistair and.. uhm.. yes.

Swooping is bad.

Of course, I'd probably have a more positive opinion if I trusted Morrigan about half as far as I could throw her, and she scarcely seems all that aerodynamic. I mean sure, tempting offer, and I figure tomorrow will bring more dragons to slay (so to speak) no matter whether Morrigan provides one of them or not, but I sincerely doubt she has the best interests of anyone but herself in mind.

[_____o_O___]

DA 2 Help raise the god child.

[marshalleck]

sagequeen wrote...

sigh.

this is what i was fearing. i can't believe i know how badly this is going to end

That's really a matter of perspective.

[Flamin Jesus]

Oh, this will lead to loads of swooping in the future.

[Nhani]

Flamin Jesus wrote...
Oh, this will lead to loads of swooping in the future.

Swoop! Do the flying thing!

*cough*
/flee

[Taleroth]

Why do people keep calling it a demon? It'll just be a powerful dragon in a human body.

[marshalleck]

Taleroth wrote...

Why do people keep calling it a demon?

I think it's because people skip through the conversations really fast without bothering to think about what's being said. Even worse is people going around calling it a darkspawn baby when Morrigan quite clearly states otherwise.

[OdinTGE]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Oh, this will lead to loads of swooping in the future.

Swooping...is...bad...

[FlintlockJazz]

Taleroth wrote...

Why do people keep calling it a demon? It'll just be a powerful dragon in a human body.

Can you be certain of that?

Dum dum DUM!!!!!

[sagefic]

Taleroth wrote...

Why do people keep calling it a demon? It'll just be a powerful dragon in a human body.

but....

dragons still SWOOP

i just keep thinking beowulf and that dragon/son SWOOPING everywhere. (Swoop, swoop)

[dannythefool]

The choice is really not so bad once you read all the dialogue and decide to believe Morrigan. That's what it comes down to really, if you believe her it's not really bad. If you don't trust her then you may have a problem. At any rate the ending won't be ruined if you accept the offer, the game doesn't say anything terrible happens 25 years later or anything.

[JensenBakura]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Why do people keep calling it a demon? It'll just be a powerful dragon in a human body.

Can you be certain of that?

Dum dum DUM!!!!!

Only as certain as you are that Morrigan is trust worthy.  

There is a lot of lore I came across in the game that affected my choice:

Positive:

1) Morrigan claims the child will not posess the darkspawn taint, only the soul of the Old God.

2) The Old God in question is the "God of Beauty" - perhaps in his uncorrupted form he was a benevolent dragon god?

3) Morrigan shows a softer side if you romance her to the end - it is possible that under your influence she has "softened".  I was actually suprised that there were opportunities to "harden" Alistair and Leliana, but no obvious way of softening Morrigan, beyond her showing remorse at having to leave you (or if you make her leave early).

Negative:

1) Morrigan displays a very dark streak throughout the game, regardless of how noble you are.  She suggests you kill the elven slaves.  She favours slaughtering the mages.  She dabbles in blood magic.  All said, she doesn't really offer much evidence that she's anything other than a manipulative, power-hungry witch of the wilds.
 
2) Even if you romance her, her priority is always solely to complete the ritual.  Even at her softest, she still came across to me as having used you.  She even warns you early on that a relationship will end badly, so from day one she is committed to the idea of leaving you once you've done what she needs you to do.

3) Even before the Dragon's were tainted, the Chantry claims they were inciting humanity to overthrow the maker...so depending on how you view the maker, the dragons could be seen as evil even before the taint, which doesn't bode well for your offspring's temperment.

4) It's very easy to see how disasterous this could become down the road:

- If you are King, a dragon-spawned witch-rasied bastard has a claim to the throne of Ferelden.

- Even if you're not, the child is proof that when a sacrifice was needed (a sacrifice countless grey wardens have been prepared to carry out over the centuries) you chose to save your own hide AND risk a major future threat to Ferelden's stability.

- Morrigan come's right out and says she hopes to raise the child up to be a "symbol of freedom".  Take that as you will, it sounded to me like a future attempt to ressurect the old dragon cult.  If so, I can imagine the common folk seeing this as a major betrayal of the Chantry by their Grey Warden "Hero".

5) Lastly, dealing with Flemeth was a major step in stabilising the Kokari wilds region, and ending a centuries old threat the Templar's had been trying to fix for ages.  Giving Morrigan a child has the potential of rebooting the whole problem, on top of the fact that now a major player in Ferelden's leadership (your PC) has deep emotional ties to said witch and her child.

All in all, I think the best option is just to pony up and die a hero...or if you're really too attached to your character, let Alistair or Loghrain take the fall. 

[Taleroth]

JensenBakura wrote...

3) Morrigan shows a softer side if you romance her to the end - it is possible that under your influence she has "softened".  I was actually suprised that there were opportunities to "harden" Alistair and Leliana, but no obvious way of softening Morrigan, beyond her showing remorse at having to leave you (or if you make her leave early).

Funny thing about Morrigan's character.  One conversation you have with her is about an item she stole from a rich girl, a mirror.  She treasured it as a child, but Flemeth found out and broke it.  Morrigan herself states that Flemeth was right to do so and she shouldn't be concerned with such silly things.

But the gifts that are for Morrigan?  Jewelry and shiny objects.  She still has that bit of her childhood self left.

[JensenBakura]

Yeah...very true. I really thought that the mirror gift cut-scene was going to lead to a softening.



I was wrong.

[OniDaimyo]

I still say she wants the kid to pull a flemeth on it.

[Ellzedd]

Nobody can know what the outcome will be, or if the ending you choose wil have any inpact on a sequal. Just do whatever fits in with your PC's role.

Modifié par Ellzedd, 17 novembre 2009 - 05:38 .

[Cyber_Cheese]

that is of course assuming you were the good guy

[cooldevo]

If you are playing in in the "role" of a true Grey Warden it should be pretty obvious, whether good or evil. The end justifies the means to stop the Blight. Period. Whether it be dabbling in blood magic, or forcible conscription it doesn't matter. The end justifies the means. With my second chars play through I played as a true Grey Warden and it was very obvious as to which road to go following the lore I saw/read from my first (who was a hero first, Warden second). Nothing else matters except stopping the Blight. I think that partly falls under the Grey Warden's burden to carry.