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[no1merlin]

she was raised by flemeth after all hell for all we know shell come and use it to kill you

[Saurel]

imported_beer wrote...

Okay istay with me for a moment.

1. Alistair is Maric's son.
2. On the basis of the books, there was much speculation that Morrigan was Maric's daughter with Flemeth.

If this is true we have some kind of inbred Mordred with the soul of an old God?

In theory is sounds more interesting to make Alistair the father. But in practice....well....hes Alistair.

A side note: Even though I'm a guy and not involved with Alistair..knowing he hasn't done anything sexual...I feel kinda bad sending him to Morrigan

"Ok Alistair, for your first time you are going to concieve a demon child! How does that sound?"

poor dude...

I realize you can fool around with him beforehand if you are a girl, but....

Modifié par Saurel, 19 novembre 2009 - 10:37 .

[Driveninhifi]

imported_beer wrote...

Okay istay with me for a moment.

1. Alistair is Maric's son.
2. On the basis of the books, there was much speculation that Morrigan was Maric's daughter with Flemeth.

If this is true we have some kind of inbred Mordred with the soul of an old God?

Huh, what's the theory there? I'm not familiar with the books.

And I do hope that's not the case. Morrigan is already close enough to Morgana Le Fay already, no need for her to be EXACTLY like her (Mordred IS inbred because Morgana is Arthur's half-sister).

[no1merlin]

they shoulda gave him a line like hell noe we wont go! or something loljust for kicks bc its moorrigan

[no1merlin]

allistar i mean

[Saurel]

no1merlin wrote...

they shoulda gave him a line like hell noe we wont go! or something loljust for kicks bc its moorrigan

Alistair: "Why won't you do her?"

PC: "This is the price you pay for having me give orders all the time..Al."

Alistair: "At least let me find somoene in the next   2 hours...ergh Morrigan sketched in my mind..."

[no1merlin]

this a little off topic but is it better to shag morrigan early or after you kill flemeth

[no1merlin]

or not kill her....lol

[no1merlin]

well i knew all the approval stuff its like she cant be over 90 approval just askin if it had more affect on the ploy

[no1merlin]

plot i mean

[Driveninhifi]

imported_beer wrote...

Driveninhifi wrote...

Huh, what's the theory there? I'm not familiar with the books.

In the Stolen Throne, young Maric and his buddy Loghain run into this old witch in the Korcari wilds. Loghain sits outside while the witch takes Maric inside her hut for a very long time. Maric seems super depressed after it and says he *did* things in order to save Ferelden. There was speculation that what he did was the old witch, and perhaps sired a child.

Of course, we speculated half a gazillion things on the basis of the books. I would recommend them highly. They bring a very interesting perspective to the world.

Huh, interesting. A bit too predictable for my taste, personally, but it could add another interesting layer to Morrigan (I feel like that + sleeping with alistair hits critical mass of arthurian overtones - certainly the game and Flemeth/Morrigan especially seem very influenced by Marion Zimmer Bradley, but I feel it should not parallel that tale). Perhaps it implies she was born for this specific purpose? I wonder how that will work into the story for people that haven't read the books. Though from what I understand about Maric, he was never one to turn a lady down - so he couldn't have been that depressed.

[no1merlin]

im surprised flemeth didnt kill him like she normally does nut it is flemeth we are talking about i wouldnt put it past her that she made morrigan for that purpose

[Agni108]

Hah, so Morrigan, Alistair, and Calain are siblings, or half-siblings. The witches brew just got tastier.

"bubble, bubble, toil and trouble". This ride is going to be fun.

[Mesecina]

I guess Maric might have made a similar deal with Flemeth to the deal the PC makes with Morrigan. And wasn't that like 20-30 years ago too?



Since PC and Alistair would probably also explain it as "neccesary to save Ferelden" which in a way might be true, because if you're giving away Alistair you end Maric's line and god knows how long Anora will be able to keep herself on the Throne having no bloodline to it and on the other hand if PC sacrifices him/herself there's not a single Gray Warden left in Ferelden and the idea of rebuilding them as a strong order seems really hard to achieve which might have catastrophic effects once again seeing the mention of "darkspawn hordes that proved extremely hard to put down" in the epilogue.



It almost seems like the best solution to just deal with this child in say 15-20 years if need be... but I guess we'll see about that

[Agni108]

Well, if Morrigan was the offspring of such a deal with Flemeth, I would say the "deal" Maric made wasnt too bad. Morrigan is the best "mage" NPC in the game, and she and Flemeth definitely helped save Ferelden, in more ways than one.



Remember, without Flemeth both Alistair and the PC would have died at the tower in Ostragar, and Morrigan is definitely an asset to the party, if you take her along. Its easy to cast Flemeth and Morrigan in the role of "evil witches", but thats exactly what Bioware "wants" you to think, because thats what all the "goody two-shoes" commoners think, who are operating on half a cylinder. Wise up, Flemeth and Morrigan have a much deeper dimension than the cardboard stereotype "evil witches"--and the child of Morrigan will likely be the same...

[sagefic]

Ciry wrote...


But yes. I thin that it isn't such a bad proposition while playing as a male char. Making Alistair do it is what feels wrong. Funny.

Agni108 wrote...

Hah, so Morrigan, Alistair, and Calain are siblings, or half-siblings. The witches brew just got tastier.
"bubble, bubble, toil and trouble". This ride is going to be fun.

if there is the possibility that flemeth is his mother though...yeah. now i so can't ask alistair to do that. so wrong.

i'm glad i knew! (again, always a bad idea to impregnate witches with dragon/god/demon children. morganna/morrigan/grendel's mom.  always SUCH a bad idea.

Modifié par sagequeen, 19 novembre 2009 - 04:36 .

[no1merlin]

i agree with agni id like to give morrigan the benefit of the doubt maybe its bc im a sucker for bad girls XD mes likes me an agressive woman lol

[Jacks-Up]

no1merlin wrote...

well you could look at it this way morrigan wanted to save you bc she loved you and the reason she had to leave was to protect you and the baby bc since the baby has the sould of an old god there would be people that would wanna control it but i guess im just a romantic at heart but she could use the baby for evil too im not denying that either

The fact she does it anyway even if she doesn't contradicts that.

[no1merlin]

you dont like me do you lol

[tkaz85]

From my perspective, this actually comes down to two questions:

1) How much does your character trust Morrigan? (This is not simply a yes or no question, as I cannot imagine making a character naive enough to fully trust her.)

2) Do you even care if she is telling the truth?  How far is your character willing to go to avoid sacrificing himself/herself or an ally?  If he or she has a reason to keep living (whether it be romantic or political in nature) wouldn't Morrigan's offer seem like a gift-wrapped miracle from the Maker?

I cannot imagine Bioware including this option in the first place without it having MAJOR narrative consequences down the road, so I am looking forward to seeing what becomes of the witch and her child...

[TheSmilingDude]

I've been thinking about it a lot... worst case scenario, it'll be archdemon reincarnate, and if it's in any way smart (and it should be), it'll wait for the last blight to end and then strike when everybody thinks it's finally over... (because as far as everybody else is concerned, the archdemon was destroyed, so they're going to miscalculate how many there are left)



Best case scenario - You get a Tevinter Demi-God (I wouldn't be surprised by a sequel where you play this character, which is BG all over again)

[Jacks-Up]

Best case scenario - You get a Tevinter Demi-God (I wouldn't be surprised by a sequel where you play this character, which is BG all over again)

That would be worst case scenario in my books.