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[GuyWhoLovesCakes]

I mean there are countless reasons to hate mages in this game.
Pretty much 90% of all the mages you meet are blood mages or turn to blood magic later.
Anders keeps whining about how mages are opressed and stuff the fact that he's the only healer pisses me off can't really replace him.
You're mom get's dismemberd by a ****ty bloodmage that has run rampant for the past few years.
****ty Anders blows up a Chantry with a nice women in it who actually helped you with that chick and that qunari incident, and the fact she's the only one who could actually still keep it at peace with the templar and mage part.
And the fact that that ****ty Orsino turned into a friggin harvester while there where no ****ty templars around just made me throw the controller on the ground.

How are people still able to support mages after this?

Also the fact that a kinda good templar called Thraks who tries to reason with templars/mages ended up getting killed by the ****ty blood mage that he trusted that just pissed me off for trying to do the good thing for mages and ended up getting ****ed in the end.

Modifié par GuyWhoLovesCakes, 22 mars 2011 - 01:07 .

[AlexXIV]

Because in an optimal case, reason and commonsense win over emotions.

The player gets emotionally disappointed by many mages you meet in the game. But still they are not represantative for all mages. There are such that play by the rules and never hurt a fly in their whole life. Just like normal people.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 21 mars 2011 - 11:10 .

[Haasth]

By looking further. It helps that I play Mages myself, and there are indeed a lot of weak minded, plain stupid Mages in this game. But honestly, I generally find their reasons more valid than most Templar.

Anders and creepy-necrophilia-guy aren't the best examples, no.
The setting is indeed very questionable about Mages. That's why the Templar vs. Mage conflict is so interesting.

[Maclimes]

I felt that there were not enough "good" mages in the game. I believe it was Gaider who posted a reply in a similar thread, saying that they more-or-less ran out of time. He said something to the effect of, "If I had to do it over again, I would have made it clear that not all mages in Kirkwall are blood mages."

[Lulia]

I think if Bioware achieved anything was just to make people more aware of how the templar view is also valid.

I don't know about you, but i kind of felt that Origins was almost pro-mage. They were all nice and helpful and even the bloodmages had a sob story and it was easy to emphasise with them.

The Templars were the bad guys.

Now we see the flip side of the coin

[AlexXIV]

Maclimes wrote...

I felt that there were not enough "good" mages in the game. I believe it was Gaider who posted a reply in a similar thread, saying that they more-or-less ran out of time. He said something to the effect of, "If I had to do it over again, I would have made it clear that not all mages in Kirkwall are blood mages."

Well that makes me really feel bad for the DA team. Alot of things could probably have been better if they had an appropriate amount of time to make this game. And it must suck to look back and see alot of missed oportunities. Or things that could or should have been done different or better.

[AlexXIV]

Lulia wrote...

I think if Bioware achieved anything was just to make people more aware of how the templar view is also valid.

I don't know about you, but i kind of felt that Origins was almost pro-mage. They were all nice and helpful and even the bloodmages had a sob story and it was easy to emphasise with them.

The Templars were the bad guys.

Now we see the flip side of the coin

Well the best way is probably to paint a balanced picture though and not a one-sided in either direction.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 21 mars 2011 - 11:22 .

[Valus]

I think they created a really intriguing way of dealing with magic in a fantasy realm and failed to really touch on it the way they probably wanted to in DA:O. It's not very often you see a fantasy realm with the overwhelming majority of non magic users actively address the issue of having a select few that are able to wreak havok at whim.

Templars did come out looking kind of bad in DA:O due in most part to Alistair being our only consistent source of information on the subject. I love the mage plight in DA2. I find it to be irrational and heady at times but it's interesting at least and emotionally involving.

[WhiteKnyght]

Perhaps they did it as a test to see how many people would still side with the mages and how many would put paranoia over basic human rights.

[Ziggeh]

Because it was supposed to be about the choice between the two, and seemingly most people were in one already in one camp (generally through a reductionist position), and it needed to make the case fairly strongly for it to be a worthwhile decision.

[Medhia Nox]

You know a lot of "normal" people born with the ability to blow up a house with a thought?

Mages in Dragon Age or not "normal people".

"Basic Human Rights" apply in the real world because everyone is born "equal" (That's a total lie as well, but I won't argue it on the internet.)

[TexasToast712]

GuyWhoLovesCakes wrote...
Anders keeps whining about how mages are opressed and stuff the fact that he's the only healer pisses me off can't really replace him.

If that is your reason to spare his life then you must suck at this game, but back on topic shall we.

GO TEMPLARS! 
WOOT!

[GuyWhoLovesCakes]

TexasToast712 wrote...

GuyWhoLovesCakes wrote...
Anders keeps whining about how mages are opressed and stuff the fact that he's the only healer pisses me off can't really replace him.

If that is your reason to spare his life then you must suck at this game, but back on topic shall we.

GO TEMPLARS! 
WOOT!

Try playing your first time on nightmare you dick.

[Khayness]

Grace certainly made me think about screwing the mages.

Seriously, she was so stupid. Felt really good when I killed her.

[Dark Specie]

To some extent, I believe so, yes. After all, ever since DAO, there has been a strong support for mages on the boards/among the fandom, so they decided to show off mages in the worst light possible to try and even things out a little, make people think that "maybe there's a point to the Templars after all. Maybe they aren't so horrible. Maybe they are actually a necressarilly evil to prevent a greater evil", sorta...

[TJPags]

Maclimes wrote...

I felt that there were not enough "good" mages in the game. I believe it was Gaider who posted a reply in a similar thread, saying that they more-or-less ran out of time. He said something to the effect of, "If I had to do it over again, I would have made it clear that not all mages in Kirkwall are blood mages."

Did he really?  That's a shame.

Because honestly, there seem to be about 3 mages in the while city who aren't blood mages,

One is that chick you rescue from Ser Alrik.  One is the kid you rescue with Grace.  And the other one is likely your sister.

[Pileyourbodies]

AlexXIV wrote...

Because in an optimal case, reason and commonsense win over emotions.

The player gets emotionally disappointed by many mages you meet in the game. But still they are not represantative for all mages. There are such that play by the rules and never hurt a fly in their whole life. Just like normal people.

Not true. It is more common for kirkwall mages to become maleficarum. Read the engima of kirkwall. So blood mages in kirkwall is represntative of mages in kirkwall.

TJ that kid you rescue with grace IS a blood mage.

Modifié par Pileyourbodies, 21 mars 2011 - 11:46 .

[AlexXIV]

Khayness wrote...

Grace certainly made me think about screwing the mages.

Seriously, she was so stupid. Felt really good when I killed her.

This quest feels so forced. You go there and even though there is no reason to think that you are an enemy or something you get attacked. From then Grace hates you because you killed her man even though you never really had a choice.

[Clonedzero]

probably because the majority of good mages are in hiding and trying not to be discovered. you know keeping a low profile by NOT CASTING SPELLS.
or they're busy being oppressed in the massive prison tower.

just a guess though.

[Sergeant Pepper]

AlexXIV wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

I felt that there were not enough "good" mages in the game. I believe it was Gaider who posted a reply in a similar thread, saying that they more-or-less ran out of time. He said something to the effect of, "If I had to do it over again, I would have made it clear that not all mages in Kirkwall are blood mages."

Well that makes me really feel bad for the DA team. Alot of things could probably have been better if they had an appropriate amount of time to make this game. And it must suck to look back and see alot of missed oportunities. Or things that could or should have been done different or better.

To be fair to Bioware, this pretty much applies to most games by most developers - There's always things they feel they could have done differently or features/content they'd have like to have.

Even if DA2 had been another 2 years in development there's still be things the Bioware team wished they'd had time to do differently or add.

Modifié par Sergeant Pepper, 21 mars 2011 - 11:49 .

[TJPags]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Because in an optimal case, reason and commonsense win over emotions.

The player gets emotionally disappointed by many mages you meet in the game. But still they are not represantative for all mages. There are such that play by the rules and never hurt a fly in their whole life. Just like normal people.

Not true. It is more common for kirkwall mages to become maleficarum. Read the engima of kirkwall. So blood mages in kirkwall is represntative of mages in kirkwall.

TJ that kid you rescue with grace IS a blood mage.

Is he?  I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he ran when they started using blood magic, because he didn't want to be involved in that.  I just did that quest on sunday . . .I had Anders, Merrill and Bethany with me.  I'm pretty sure Anders commented about his decision, that it was smart.

[Khayness]

Dark Specie wrote...

so they decided to show off mages in the worst light possible to try and even things out a little, make people think that "maybe there's a point to the Templars after all.

They have only succeeded with Denarius and his apprentice.

The others were stupid to an offensive degree, or plain mad. It had nothing to do with them being mages.

AlexXIV wrote...


This quest feels so forced.

Yeah, I have shown support for the mages on every occasion (even got the Arcane Protector achievement before), and in the Best Served Cold quest I had to kill everybody just for the sake of pushing buttons and making awesome to happen.

Grace can just go to Hell, I have saved her from certain death, his mad friend turned on me, and it wasn't my fault that their sorry asses got caught.

Made no sense at all.

Modifié par Khayness, 21 mars 2011 - 11:53 .

[Dark Specie]

Khayness wrote...
They have only succeeded with Denarius and his apprentice.

The others were stupid to an offensive degree, or plain mad. It had nothing to do with them being mages.

I never said that they succeeded in showing it in a good way

[TJPags]

Clonedzero wrote...

probably because the majority of good mages are in hiding and trying not to be discovered. you know keeping a low profile by NOT CASTING SPELLS.
or they're busy being oppressed in the massive prison tower.

just a guess though.

You mean like the ones fighting with you when you side with the mages?  The ones that turn into abominations, and summon all those shades, and bring those corpses to life?   Those good mages?

[Clonedzero]

TJPags wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

probably because the majority of good mages are in hiding and trying not to be discovered. you know keeping a low profile by NOT CASTING SPELLS.
or they're busy being oppressed in the massive prison tower.

just a guess though.

You mean like the ones fighting with you when you side with the mages?  The ones that turn into abominations, and summon all those shades, and bring those corpses to life?   Those good mages?

a good chunk of them didn't do any of that when i sided with the mages, a couple of them did sure, but most didn't