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[Icy Magebane]

The title caught my eye... and then I realize it's just more crap about bi vs. hetero... c ya.

[Suron]

Iecerint wrote...

Regarding the issue of Anders' sexuality -- Anders is not gay in any reality, because he expressed interest in women in Awakening.

That aside, Gaider has commented on this issue. To paraphrase, the writers didn't approach the characters with sexual labels in mind, but you're encouraged to draw your own conclusions -- even if he may personally and privately find some of them a bit of a stretch.

there is no drawing your own conclusions when each love interest will have a relationship and sex with you REGARDLESS of your gender..that's BiSexual by definition...if one of BioWare actually stated that then it's a crock becuase it makes no sense.

it's a stretch because we're calling them bi because they'll sleep with or fall in love with both a male Hawke and a female Hawke? do you not see the stupidity in this?

[mesmerizedish]

Icy Magebane wrote...

The title caught my eye... and then I realize it's just more crap about bi vs. hetero... c ya.

That's... actually not at all what the thread is about

Alternately, that's what every thread is about once I've posted in it. I'm sexy like that.

[Pandaman102]

fluorine7 wrote...

From a production perspective, offering too much story arc choices is always messy. Especially if choices are carried to next installment. When a choice is offered and different results achieved, it's often "black and white" choices, either you kill this guy or you let him live; Either you destroy the collector base or you keep it.

The main plot outcomes aren't the only possible results in the game, you know. There were so many opportunities where you could make little changes, like improving the lives of Fereldens, saving Leandra, the (il)legal ramifications of making that magister with the psycho son your enemy/ally, improved goods in the marketplaces as you slaughter the prowling gangs every act - things that don't have to even show up in subsequent games, but would have gone a long way to make each playthrough feel unique and Kirkwall alive.

But there is barely a hint of that and even then only affecting the lives of individuals, not the fortunes of rival noble houses (of which there are none), competing merchants (of which there are none), or anything else that fleshes out a "rise to power" theme. You're a gofer from the day you land on Kirkwall's docks to the day you show up at the inevitable boss fights - which, idly, you don't have to play the entire game again to see the other ending because you can just reload before The Last Straw, support the other side, and they'll magically forget everything you did/said beforehand and proclaim you Viscount/rebel leader.

[fluorine7]

Suron wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

They're all bi.

'Nuff said.

They're Hawkesexual, actually. 

Anders in particular is highly egregarious in switching sexuality based on Hawke's gender. 

again..wrong.

all bi.

it was the thread someone posted with the title along the lines of "BioWare ignores their largest demograph-straight males"...again something along those lines..and no I won't look it up for you.

but again...yet again...all BiSexual..regardless of Hawke's gender.  FACT

Bi or straight or gay, I personally don't give a damn really. I'm happy if they're gay, or bi or whatever. If Anders is dating Fenris, that'd be fine with me too...LOL I'm not trying to prove a point, or upset anyone here. I'm just simply offering a different perspective to look at this game. It's my perspective, how I played it and how I see it. 

I don't want to deal with other people's ideas. I'm open to their ideas, sure. If I find it reasonable, I'll accept it. But with the case of Anders being bi, I don't care if god comes down and told me he's bi, for me, he's straight or gay, depending on Hawke's gender. 

[fluorine7]

Pandaman102 wrote...

The main plot outcomes aren't the only possible results in the game, you know. There were so many opportunities where you could make little changes, like improving the lives of Fereldens, saving Leandra, the (il)legal ramifications of making that magister with the psycho son your enemy/ally, improved goods in the marketplaces as you slaughter the prowling gangs every act - things that don't have to even show up in subsequent games, but would have gone a long way to make each playthrough feel unique and Kirkwall alive.

But there is barely a hint of that and even then only affecting the lives of individuals, not the fortunes of rival noble houses (of which there are none), competing merchants (of which there are none), or anything else that fleshes out a "rise to power" theme. You're a gofer from the day you land on Kirkwall's docks to the day you show up at the inevitable boss fights - which, idly, you don't have to play the entire game again to see the other ending because you can just reload before The Last Straw, support the other side, and they'll magically forget everything you did/said beforehand and proclaim you Viscount/rebel leader.

I agree there's a lot of choices and these choices do make impact to people's life. But somehow as long as you can't make a black and white choice resulting in black and white out come, people start to complain about lack of choices. 

[fluorine7]

Suron wrote...

there is no drawing your own conclusions when each love interest will have a relationship and sex with you REGARDLESS of your gender..that's BiSexual by definition...if one of BioWare actually stated that then it's a crock becuase it makes no sense.

it's a stretch because we're calling them bi because they'll sleep with or fall in love with both a male Hawke and a female Hawke? do you not see the stupidity in this?

The way I see it, I could be wrong...but I thought, for someone to be bi this person needs to be attracted to both sex, at the same time. But if you play the game with a male character, Anders only attracted to male; if you start the game again and played it as a female character, Anders attracted to female. So since you can't have male and female Hawke exist at the same play through, Anders can only attracted to male, or female at any give time. He doesn't attracted to both, at least not that we know of. 

The reason I use alternative reality, which apparently pissed off more people than I expected....LOL. wrong choices of word I guess, well, back to my point, the reason I use alternative reality is that, in order to have Anders to be bi, you actually do need to restart the game. just becase you played 2 times continuously, doesn't mean the story is continous, you start anew, and with a new character have a similar advanture with various results. 

Anders didn't mention Karl as his lover during a fem-Hawke play through, so we have no way to know, if he's bi or not. I don't see the stupidity in this really. 

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Modifié par fluorine7, 22 mars 2011 - 02:05 .

[mesmerizedish]

fluorine7 wrote...

The way I see it, I could be wrong...but I thought, for someone to be bi this person needs to be attracted to both sex, at the same time. But if you play the game with a male character, Anders only attracted to male; if you start the game again and played it as a female character, Anders attracted to female. So since you can't have male and female Hawke exist at the same play through, Anders can only attracted to male, or female at any give time. He doesn't attracted to both, at least not that we know of. 

Anders didn't mention Karl as his lover during a fem-Hawke play through, so we have no way to know, if he's bi or not. I don't see the stupidity in this really.

Ignore Suron. Please.

Anyway, Anders is bi. He's attracted to both sexes no matter gender your character is.

[fluorine7]

he is? .... man~~~ I must missed his line or something. did he hit on other characters or did he admit to a Fem-Hawk that Karl is his lover? I'd thought he's hotter as bi.... So I'm not against the idea and trying to prove he's not.

[mesmerizedish]

fluorine7 wrote...

he is? .... man~~~ I must missed his line or something. did he hit on other characters or did he admit to a Fem-Hawk that Karl is his lover? I'd thought he's hotter as bi.... So I'm not against the idea and trying to prove he's not.

Neither. He hits on Hawke regardless of Hawke's gender, and he expressed interest in women and (according to some interpretations) men in Awakening. He doesn't bring Karl up with Lady Hawke, but neither does that mean it didn't happen.

[erilben]

I don't get it. If you work with Anora, you don't see her lie and try to get you killed. Nothing seems bad about her at all. However if you don't agree to help her stay queen, then you will see her tell lies about you before the Landsmeet. I never seen anyone try to use that to claim Anora is a different person depending how you played. But then people try to say Anders and Karl weren't lovers just because he doesn't tell female Hawke.

Modifié par erilben, 22 mars 2011 - 02:09 .

[Pandaman102]

fluorine7 wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

The main plot outcomes aren't the only possible results in the game, you know. There were so many opportunities where you could make little changes, like improving the lives of Fereldens, saving Leandra, the (il)legal ramifications of making that magister with the psycho son your enemy/ally, improved goods in the marketplaces as you slaughter the prowling gangs every act - things that don't have to even show up in subsequent games, but would have gone a long way to make each playthrough feel unique and Kirkwall alive.

But there is barely a hint of that and even then only affecting the lives of individuals, not the fortunes of rival noble houses (of which there are none), competing merchants (of which there are none), or anything else that fleshes out a "rise to power" theme. You're a gofer from the day you land on Kirkwall's docks to the day you show up at the inevitable boss fights - which, idly, you don't have to play the entire game again to see the other ending because you can just reload before The Last Straw, support the other side, and they'll magically forget everything you did/said beforehand and proclaim you Viscount/rebel leader.

I agree there's a lot of choices and these choices do make impact to people's life. But somehow as long as you can't make a black and white choice resulting in black and white out come, people start to complain about lack of choices. 

Sorry, what? I was arguing there were no choices, I 'm not quite understanding how you agree that there are a lot of choices. Don't you mean you disagree?

[fluorine7]

You didn't?! Damn.............did I quote the wrong person or.....I'm seeing things today...... I need to go home and sleep.

Modifié par fluorine7, 22 mars 2011 - 02:13 .

[fluorine7]

So basically.... Anders is bi, it's just he doesn't how much of it?

[fluorine7]

erilben wrote...

I don't get it. If you work with Anora, you don't see her lie and try to get you killed. Nothing seems bad about her at all. However if you don't agree to help her stay queen, then you will see her tell lies about you before the Landsmeet. I never seen anyone try to use that to claim Anora is a different person depending how you played. But then people try to say Anders and Karl weren't lovers just because he doesn't tell female Hawke.

Yeah... I guess that's pretty much the idea. although in my 3 play through in DA:O I always worked with Anora and she always end up betraying me, so I thought she's just a lying *$#%@. 

[mesmerizedish]

fluorine7 wrote...

So basically.... Anders is bi, it's just he doesn't how much of it?

I don't know what you mean "he doesn't how much of it" Maybe that was supposed to be "show"?

But Anders is bi. You just don't really get that unless you play dudeHawke.

[Pandaman102]

fluorine7 wrote...

You didn't?! Damn.............did I quote the wrong person or.....I'm seeing things today...... I need to go home and sleep.

Could be my argument just wasn't formatted in a very clear way. Things always sound better in my head than when I write them down.

At least that's what the voices tell me.

[fluorine7]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

fluorine7 wrote...

So basically.... Anders is bi, it's just he doesn't how much of it?

I don't know what you mean "he doesn't how much of it" Maybe that was supposed to be "show"?

But Anders is bi. You just don't really get that unless you play dudeHawke.

But..... OK.... I accept your argument. Anders is Bi regardless of Hawke gender. He did mention in Awakening that he like women. so if you play as a dude, he's bi. If you play as Fem-Hawke he's still bi but you just don't know it. LOL. 

Anyways~ I'm not write this to prove Anders sextual orientation I actually don't care either way, although it kind up end up this way. LOL. 

Modifié par fluorine7, 22 mars 2011 - 02:25 .