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Of Companions and Conundrums - My prediction for future DLC


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It should be painfully obvious that this post will contain spoilers, but given the warning on the forum title, I'm not concerned.  Even still, I will issue the following warning:

--- SPOILER ALERT ---

There.  Now on to my predictions for potential upcoming DLC adventures.  First, a quick breakdown of possibilities that I believe won't appear in the future as new modules.

Varric.  His story is resolved in one of two ways, either he keeps the idol shard and gains a two-slot benefit to Bianca, or the idol shard is destroyed by Sandal and turned into a potent rune.  Even though I suppose this thread could be taken further, having a two-pronged introduction -- one for each fork in the story -- somehow, I doubt the dichotomy of this arc lends itself to a straight-forward design approach.  For complexity alone, I rule this one out.

Anders:  For reasons that should be painfully obvious to anyone who has finished the game, Anders' story can be safely considered as resolved.  Either he dies, and becomes a martyr for the coming war, or lives on to quench Justice's taste for vengeance.  Either way, the fact that he could potentially die rules out a DLC from Anders.  I've considered for a long time about ways in which this story arc could be progressed further, but everything I come up with seems a little too-far-flung.  If BioWare does progress this plot, I will be pleasantly surprised.

Isabelle:  I believe Isabelle is a strong candidate for DA3, but not for any DLC in between.  In DA2 she either completely disappears with the relic, or shows a surprising change of heart by returning with the relic just in time.  Although, in my humble opinion, Isabelle is one of the strongest characters in the game (along with the fact that she's also a DA:O character), she also lacks any real loyalty to Hawke or Kirkwall -- her Rivaini heart is as free as the ocean winds that carry it.  It's not that I believe she isn't a prime candidate, it is simply that a solid foundation for a plot involving her is a difficult premise.  On the other hand, if BioWare is just shallow enough, i can see her returning from out of nowhere with a Pirate-esque proposition that one could never refuse (read: cargo raid).

Aveline:  I'll be quick and to the point and say simply that Aveline is too strong of a support character to ever really have her own theme.  Her companion quests in DA2 were resolved cleanly, and I can just as easily see her settling down in Kirkwall with Donnick, riding out her career as Captain of the Guard, until she retires and makes some babies.

Sebastian:  Another simple case, Sebastian was a companion from a DLC in and of itself.  The fact that there are people out there that may never have even met him counts him out for future DLC.  That said, I would love to see his return to Starkhaven perhaps in DA3?

So, that leaves us with only two companions:  Merrill, and Fenris.  A quick note on the "coincedence" that both of these characters are elven, and heavily influenced by magic (in one way or another).  If you recall Feynriel's main plotline, you'll remember that he was the first "Dreamer" born in a very long time.  Along with Sandal's savant abilities, I'm going to put forward the suggestion that Merrill and Fenris will be key players in the future of the Dragon Age franchise.

Merrill:  Her Eluvian quest was all but resolved in DA2.  Either it's destroyed and she never recieves the tool to fix it, or she continues to restore it in secret, away from the prying eyes of Hawke to the best of her ability, until she asks for help to contact the demon that introduced her to the possibility of fixing it in the first place.  No matter what, the Keeper and her clan are completely destroyed, leaving Merrill finally and truly alone in the world.  Still, the Eluvian haunts her after all is said and done.  Given its strong connection to ancient magic, I believe the Eluvian will be a strong player in the future, and is a prime candidate for DLC.  Whether (in that DLC) the mirror is destroyed for good, or is restored remains to be seen, but once this story arc is resolved, it can be left to a codex entry for DA3.


EDIT:  I'm told that Fenris' story is resolved in DA2, that Denarius is confronted and defeated.  I have not yet experienced this part of the story yet, so my prediction below was based entirely on speculation.  Having Fenris in my tank's party may change things, however.  We'll see soon enough, I suppose.

Fenris:  Forever dogged by his former master, I believe his story has the most promise of any of the unresolved story threads (besides the upcoming mage wars hinted at by the final ending's cliffhanger) has the most promise.  I can even see the opening moments of the DLC as Fenris comes to us, telling us that Denarius has finally come looking, and even now, Fenris knows precisely where Denarius is.  With only so much as a few dialogue options, we're off to find, confront and defeat the only thing that could finally free Fenris from his live of servitude, either as a slave, or as a slave to his need to be free from Denarius.


That's my two sovereigns. 

-- szSleepy.

Modifié par szsleepy, 22 mars 2011 - 01:22 .


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Camilladilla

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I like your predictions for the Eluvian DLC, but the Fenris plot was resolved in game. You either killed Denarius or you gave Fenris to him.

Also, I still hold out on the small hope that Anders might return for a future DLC. It's been established before that the man can take a sword through the chest and not flinch, so I really can't see a murder-knife doing anything to him, but that's just me dreaming.

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Camilladilla wrote...

I like your predictions for the Eluvian DLC, but the Fenris plot was resolved in game. You either killed Denarius or you gave Fenris to him.

Also, I still hold out on the small hope that Anders might return for a future DLC. It's been established before that the man can take a sword through the chest and not flinch, so I really can't see a murder-knife doing anything to him, but that's just me dreaming.


ORLY????  Wow, hm.  I guess I never paid attention to his story enough to progress to that point.  Admittedly, only during my most recent playthrough as a tank have I actively used his abilities (and finally got rid of Aveline, Maker bless her overbearing heart).

Well, then that only leaves the Eluvian as a real candidate.  Touche!

Modifié par szsleepy, 22 mars 2011 - 01:23 .


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Aveline seems like the strongest DLC choice to me actually. She is the only one who cannot die, aside from Varric.

That is, I think she can't die.

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Sammyjb wrote...

Aveline seems like the strongest DLC choice to me actually. She is the only one who cannot die, aside from Varric.

That is, I think she can't die.


Oh, she'll be there, right at Hawke's side the same that she's always been since leaving Lothering and losing Wesley to darkspawn corruption.  But I sincerely doubt she'll have any new story arcs of her own.  In my mind, she is resolved.

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I like the way you think, Merrill and her Eluvian or if that one is destoyed maybe the one Morrigan used.

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I saved Merrils clan in my play through by taking the blame myself?

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wyandell26 wrote...

I saved Merrils clan in my play through by taking the blame myself?


I reloaded a save and tried every possible dialogue option to save the clan.  I was convinced that it wasn't possible to do so.  I'll try again when the time comes on my current playthrough as a tank.  Thanks for the heads up though.

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What I'd like to see.

- A prequel story starring Malcom Hawke

- A DLC that goes back into the Deep Roads and reveals more info about the idol and the ancient dwarves or the Arlathians.

- A DLC featuring the Dalish more. Perhaps have Ariane be recruitable.(I like her, pretty and has a cute voice)

- A DLC centered around Flemeth and/or the Architect if he lived.

- And have David Gaider appear in game as The Maker!

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 22 mars 2011 - 01:35 .


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The Grey Nayr wrote...

What I'd like to see.

- A prequel story starring Malcom Hawke

- A DLC that goes back into the Deep Roads and reveals more info about the idol and the ancient dwarves or the Arlathians.

- A DLC featuring the Dalish more. Perhaps have Ariane be recruitable.(I like her, pretty and has a cute voice)

- A DLC centered around Flemeth and/or the Architect if he lived.

- And have David Gaider appear in game as The Maker!


Interesting ideas.  However, I was putting forward ideas based on what I believed to be exploitable threads in the story already given.  Exploring Sandal's connections to the ancient dwarves (the ones that built the Deep Roads) would be an amazing story and I sincerely hope that BioWare explores it.  As for the Dalish, I agree, and that's where the Eluvian will come in.

As for Flemeth, I guarantee she will be in future stories in the franchise; she's like the R2-D2 of DA.  A silent and distant observer, omnipresent, and yet, uninfluencial, except for in the most subtle of ways.

The Architect was an interesting concept, but I believe it was really more tied in with the Blight in Fereldan than anything else.  The Blight is over and dealt with, all the consequences explored after DA:O.  I believe we have new things ahead, in the form of a civil war between all the Circles of Thedas and the Chantry.  I don't think that I have to go very far to make that assumption either.

Modifié par szsleepy, 22 mars 2011 - 01:53 .


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szsleepy wrote...

wyandell26 wrote...

I saved Merrils clan in my play through by taking the blame myself?


I reloaded a save and tried every possible dialogue option to save the clan.  I was convinced that it wasn't possible to do so.  I'll try again when the time comes on my current playthrough as a tank.  Thanks for the heads up though.


Yeah whatever I chose on the wheel was the bottom right option and the guy told me to take Merrill away

She never talked to me about it in her home base though (how annoying was the homebase garbage)

Also can someone point me to the forum rules, I'm new

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i am 100% not interested in any NPC follower type DLC. like lelianas song. feels cheap to me.
add to the main game or dont any anything at all, i dont want a silly 2 hour long side story with different characters completely.

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You can save Merrill's clan by saying that you'll take responsibility for her actions (this is after the Keeper dies and Hawke's party is confronted by the clan)

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Clonedzero wrote...

i am 100% not interested in any NPC follower type DLC. like lelianas song. feels cheap to me.
add to the main game or dont any anything at all, i dont want a silly 2 hour long side story with different characters completely.


I wouldn't mind it if it allowed for save imports.

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Clonedzero wrote...

i am 100% not interested in any NPC follower type DLC. like lelianas song. feels cheap to me.
add to the main game or dont any anything at all, i dont want a silly 2 hour long side story with different characters completely.


I'm thinking more along the lines of DLC like Lair of the Shadow Broker and so on.  The main character was still Shepard, but it continued the storyline of one of his friends (former companion come info source).

I agree about Leliana's Song and the Darkspawn Chronicles.  I never even bothered with them, prefering DLC like the Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt.

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gangly369 wrote...

You can save Merrill's clan by saying that you'll take responsibility for her actions (this is after the Keeper dies and Hawke's party is confronted by the clan)


So everyone is saying.  Posted Image  Even still, the Eluvian is still has great potential for future stories.

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gangly369 wrote...

You can save Merrill's clan by saying that you'll take responsibility for her actions (this is after the Keeper dies and Hawke's party is confronted by the clan)


Noted. It was kinda surprising when I ended up killing everybody.

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How about Pariah Hunt. In it we follow clues to Merrill's whereabouts. At the end we find her at her Eluvian, which she finally has gotten online. Merrill gets to warn us about Flemeth. Hawke is given the choice to either stab Merrill or follow her into the Eluvian.

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I disagree about Isabella not being that loyal to Hawke. You can change it if you get on her good side enough that she comes back with the tome and does the whole repentant/noble thief bit. I think the game sort of pegs her as a Pirate/theif/slapper with a good heart (mostly).

I can definitely see some DLC happening with Flemeth. I can't help but think she'll be DA2's Witch Hunt in which we're promised something that will provide answers and basically end up receiving none. It would be in keeping with how Bioware had Flemeth prominent in the advertising for DA2 and she ended up being irrelevant and just an excuse to have Hawke escape the horde.

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Agreed. Isabella is the first choice of love interest. And she'll stand by you in the end if you play it right. I hope she will return in a DLC or DA3.

Never got to kill Denarius thought. I was guessing that that would be a DLC but i guest not. How do you get that quest? It's kinda hard to get on Fenrises god side when you sand by the mages. Got him to like 60% toward friendship but never to 100%.

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I never got on Fernis' good side. He's too much of an ass. You have to let him kill anyone he likes and show no mages any mercy. But I still got his quest. I think it's in Act 2. You go to the Wounded Coast at some point and a random encounter starts up as soon as you land there. It's some henchmen of Denarius and they tell you where to get some other henchmen. It should progress in Act 3 where his quest is in your journal to go and meet someone who leads him to Denarius in Act 3.

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I hope Varric will be returning. I liked his character. But i guess it is less likely. But then again i never thought id see Orgen again to, and he was the only one to return i awakening.

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Fenris can be killed too, so that can rule out his DLC.
I just hope one thing, LIs won't be ignored in DLCs, because that used to annoy me a bit. If we are to continue this story, let our decisions go over and the personalities only change if there is a story behind the change. Considering Varrik closes the talk with whoever was Hawke's love never parted from him or her... however it might be just one of his lies :D

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In response to the Varric suggestion, I thought the idol shard was changed into a primeval rune or something by Sandal, and is thus disposed of.

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I can see the Eluvian and a Merrill DLC, something connecting this Eluvian with the one from DA:O which branches then into DA:3.

One thing of note though which I have pondered in regards to Anders is... If he lives Vengeance/Justice still has an avatar in Anders. If he dies, Justice has no host. Considering what anders says about them both being one, Justice + Anders = Vengeance. A part of Anders is in the old spirit of Justice so if Vengeance where to gain a new host either willingly or otherwise (Ends justifying the means from his POV) that new host would have a spirit of Anders/Justice i.e. Vengeance.

That could be played upon. Not a DLC for Anders but one for Vengeance gaining a new host or not.

If alive then... continuation of the Magi Revolution. etc etc

Modifié par Moorino, 25 mars 2011 - 02:58 .