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[WhiteKnyght]

From what it sounds like when he says "Someday the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were" I've got the hunch that at one point in history, everybody could use magic. And at some point in the future, they will be able to again.

Things that back this is that all classes have a magic stat, and non mages can learn Templar skills which drain mana and negate spells(there are spells that do this same thing). And before anybody say its because "they drink lyrium", Alistair pointed out that you don't need lyrium to learn the stuff. Thats just how they keep Templars loyal and quiet.

[TJPags]

This . . .I find this interesting.

I am intrigued.

[wyandell26]

Good point, especially about Alistair

Also the elves say that at one point they all had the gift

Modifié par wyandell26, 22 mars 2011 - 03:00 .

[Malja]

I like this interpretation.

[maegi46]

Interesting...so what about the rest of the prophecy?

"One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

I think he means the blights will finally be over.(the shadows will part).there are 2 left since there have been 5 and 2 old gods(dragons) are left. When he rises....the Maker? I don't know about that one since I personally think the Maker is hocus pokus...

Modifié par maegi46, 22 mars 2011 - 03:09 .

[lx_theo]

Yes, and the thaig in DA2 can be explained by this, as it would likely be from this ancient time.

[Flashflame58]

Do you see Dwarven mages in the future?

[Urbanus Venator]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Things that back this is that all classes have a magic stat, and non mages can learn Templar skills which drain mana and negate spells(there are spells that do this same thing).

I wouldnt look too deeply into those factors, there most likely strictly for gameplay purposes.

As for your first paragraph about Sandals prophecy, it's an interesting theory. Surely there's something in the codex somewhere that would back it up.

[Beerfish]

I see him as some kid of prophet of the maker. Perhaps a way to redeem things for when the golden city was made black.

[wyandell26]

maegi46 wrote...

Interesting...so what about the rest of the prophecy?

"One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

I think he means the blights will finally be over.(the shadows will part).there are 2 left since there have been 5 and 2 old gods(dragons) are left. When he rises....the Maker? I don't know about that one since I personally think the Maker is hocus pokus...

morrigan's child?

[Deadlysyns]

I Agree with the Magic Returning part don't know about Dwarves didn't Carridin use some kind of Magic on the Anvil of the void or did he have mage help i am not looking to much into the when he rises part because i still haven't got him to say it its annoying me. when he rises could mean anything from a powerful hero to the Maker to The Final Old God too anyone we just gotta wait and see but Magic is definatly coming back just look at Feynrial

[WhiteKnyght]

It would definitely put an end to the whole mage bigotry going around in Thedas if everybody woke up one day and had magic.

[Maria13]

... and then as Dead says there's Feynriel, an elf/human cross who suddenly looks like an elf/human cross and can do magic.

As for dwarven magic, what about Sandal himself, does he not do a form of magic dad says "no one can twist lyrium like Sandal..."

[Lady Dino]

There's also the "Talkative Guy" walking around the Hanged Man saying that there are more mages around today then his mother (or someone like that) remembers when she was young.

Could be that more and more mages are being born for a reason

[xNaberius]

If the prophecy "One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

Everyone will be just like they were, dwarves never had magic so they would not need to change; they are as they were.

The only question for me is if this prophecy is true, how will the shadows part? And who rises? The simple question would be no more cruel rule over the mages, but do they live in harmony with the rest of the world or own the world? Also, who is rising, the Maker? Morrigan's God Child? Would be amusing if they fought though.

Does choosing the Maker mean the chantry? God child mean the freeing of mages? Too many questions, I'll wait for a DLC or DA:III

[Tamahome560]

Well since I saw what Sandal did in the Deep Roads I thought he might be Dwarven mage but after hearing the prophecy I think he might be much more than that.

[WhiteKnyght]

xNaberius wrote...

If the prophecy "One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

Everyone will be just like they were, dwarves never had magic so they would not need to change; they are as they were.

The only question for me is if this prophecy is true, how will the shadows part? And who rises? The simple question would be no more cruel rule over the mages, but do they live in harmony with the rest of the world or own the world? Also, who is rising, the Maker? Morrigan's God Child? Would be amusing if they fought though.

Does choosing the Maker mean the chantry? God child mean the freeing of mages? Too many questions, I'll wait for a DLC or DA:III

Not necessarily. Ancient dwarves may have been able to practice magic.

Also considering how isolated Thedas appears to be from the world. It wouldn't be a stretch to think that people in other continents can all do magic.

Theoretically, what if a portion of the world(Thedas) was closed off from the rest by magic for some reason? Like the Darkspawn, dangerous idiots who are intolerant of mages ( lol that'd be ironic. Non magical people being isolated for being a danger.), or perhaps the old gods. And what if say the Fade isn't really a spirit world but actually a realm that lies inside the viel that separates Thedas from the rest of the world. That could be what Morrigan meant by a world beyond the Fade.

The shadows will part and the skies will open wide could mean that the viel will open someday. When "he" rises could be some prophetic hero who will be the one who does it.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 22 mars 2011 - 04:08 .

[alexmasterson123]

"Everyone will be just like they were."

Anyone else notice that this is remarkably similar to what the Nexus Golem says? "We were once more than we are..."

Most curious...

[Guvanata]

Flashflame58 wrote...

Do you see Dwarven mages in the future?

At some point while in the manor, if you click on Sandal, he talks about how "That big tower in the lake is scary!"

I believe this points to his time visiting the circle of magi in Ferelden when he was declared a "savant" - but perhaps he was once a mage in some circle or perhaps even in the circle of Ferelden and was such a powerful mage that he was made tranquil (or perhaps tranquilization failed, as we know he shows certain emotions) - and the circle being closed as it was, this information never got out and perhaps the generation of guards/templars that the Hero of Ferelden meets came after Sandal's time there. Also, I believe that Dwarves live much longer than humans despite all the races in Dragon Age being mortal - perhaps not by hundreds of years, but I remember reading  in the lore that Dwarves generally live longer than humans, so Sandal could very well actually be 45-50 years old despite looking quite young, Bodahn probably 70-80.

[Morning808]

I think Sandle knows how to use mage, which would explain the frozen oger

[jweath]

maegi46 wrote...

I think he means the blights will finally be over.(the shadows will part).there are 2 left since there have been 5 and 2 old gods(dragons) are left. .

The fifth old god was not killed in the blight if you did the ritual. Its spirit inhabits Morigan's baby. Theoritically, the darkspawn could rally to the spirit of the old god in Morigan's child. It could be an interesting story if becomes like the architect and a leader of darkspawn who tries to remove the taint rather than be corrupted by it. Could the warden father pass on an immunity to the taint to the child? 

[jweath]

The other interesting thing about Sandal is he was found in the deep roads but not tainted like other dwarfs who get trapped down there. Is he somehow immune to the taint?

[Baaleos]

Morning808 wrote...

I think Sandle knows how to use mage, which would explain the frozen oger

I think this scene was intentionally left ambiguous to give comedy feel.


It is a good point to raise that.

1. The Old Gods were allegedly cast down by the maker, and put to sleep beneath the earth.
2. The Dark Spawn find the Old Gods while they sleep, then rape them until they turn tainted etc.
3. Then the Old Gods, Corrupted by the taint, lead the Dark Spawn.

Alot of the myth in Dragon Age 2 and Origins, makes me think of another RPG called 'Summoner' and Summoner 2


They were one game world, with two different religions that were joint in the middle.


The Medivan's and the other continent in Summoner 1, beleived Eleh to be a Siege Tower, used to storm the gates of heaven itself.
They also believed that Lahara was an evil goddess.

Summoner 2, its seen from another point of view, that Lahara was the will behind creation, and that Eleh was infact a tree that creation sprouted from.


In Dragon Age, The Creator/Maker is implied, through Anthropromorphism, to be a humanoid male, a father figure to man.
In reality, its very possible he is a Dragon, possibly an Uber Dragon, or the First Dragon.
Maybe he isnt actually a being at all?
If Old God's ruled the world, eg the Dragons, they no doubt had Humanity running scared, and Humans worshiped them out of fear. Big Monstrous Lizards etc...

If the Dragons all vanished one day, for no discernable reason, either by powerful magics etc, or by another being's will, Humanity might see this as the dawn of a new age.
The End of the Old Gods....
Who would be powerful enough to end the reign of the old gods?
A new god maybe? - Thus Humanity invents a Deity that may or may not exist, to claim responsibility for the dissappearance of the Old Gods.


Dark Spawn and the Taint and the Arch Demons.
Its said that the Mages tried to enter the Golden City, the Golden City being located in the fade, a place where subconscious thought can manifest.

Humanity, no matter how devout, has their own flaws and weaknesses,
The first mages to enter the fade, would have bought that emotional contamination with them, into the fade, thus giving rise the the tainting of the City.

Their tainting of the city may have created the First Demons etc, or perhaps even Tainted the Maker himself, if he exists at all.

Perhaps the Maker, if he is a he, is tainted, and incapacitated by the taint - Hense his apparent abandonment from the world. (Which also coincides with the Chant of Light, about How the Maker will return, once the Chant has spread to all corners of the world)

In some ways, the Dragons would appear to both be Victims of the Dark Spawn, and their leaders.
Why would the Dark Spawn be drawn to the Old Gods?
Something to do with a 'Call' or 'Song' as 'Mother' described it, a call or song that only the dark spawn can hear.


If the Old Gods are asleep, perhaps they exist in the Fade, and since the Dark Spawn are said to have originated from the Fade, at least their taint did....
Perhaps the Old Gods do infact sing, in the fade.
The Singing of the Old Gods in the fade, attracts the Dark Spawn, who are linked to the fade via the taint, to their bodies on earth, and then the Old Gods get infected with the taint...
And ....well

We have seen what happens to females who survive the taint.
They turn into Brood Mothers...

This would suggest that ArchDemon's and the Dragons that survive the taint, may all be female in gender.
The Taint is shown to kill anyone infected with it, or turn them into a Brood Mother, unless they are turned into a Grey Warden.
If the Dragons can Survive it, and then go on to raise an army, it suggests that they are just a non-humanoid version of a Brood Mother.



Wow... Lots of debating going on here.

[PPR223]

Its an interesting theory, which seems to make alot of sense. I think there is more to it than that though.

"One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

I think this bit "The shadows will part and the skies will open wide" is just a metaphor for "the truth will be revealed". When "He" rises sounds more like something new, rather than something that has already existed, such as the Maker.

Sandal is a strange character, I just can't decide whether he is simply a Bioware joke or is actually important.

Modifié par PPR223, 22 mars 2011 - 05:30 .

[Baaleos]

'He' will rise.

Morrigan's baby is a male?
And technically is an uncorrupted Old God.

He would be about 11 years old at the end of DA2?