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[GreenDragon37]

PARAGON87 wrote...

I don't know if this has been asked already (mainly because I'm lazy to go through 5 pages of this thread), but how is it that there's a batarian ambassador on the Citadel?  I thought the batarians closed their embassy in protest of the humans getting colonization rights in the Skyllian Verge? I thought the Batarian Hegemony did not have relations with the Citadel and have become a rogue state?

It's in the codex in ME1, as the wiki states, if you care to notice: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Batarian#History

It could be a representative from Kar'Shan. However, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Anyone remember Mass Effect Galaxy?

They've got a lot of nerve showing their faces on the CItadel after they pulled that stunt. <_<

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 23 mars 2011 - 01:38 .

[GETH1183]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

I don't know if this has been asked already (mainly because I'm lazy to go through 5 pages of this thread), but how is it that there's a batarian ambassador on the Citadel?  I thought the batarians closed their embassy in protest of the humans getting colonization rights in the Skyllian Verge? I thought the Batarian Hegemony did not have relations with the Citadel and have become a rogue state?

It's in the codex in ME1, as the wiki states, if you care to notice: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Batarian#History

It could be a representative from Kar'Shan. However, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Any remember Mass Effect Galaxy?

They've got a lot of nerve showing their faces on the CItadel after they pulled that stunt. <_<

You also have to remember what Jacob said about the whole situation was hushed or as he put it, "...a good deed's like pissing your self in dark pants? Warm feeling but no one notices."

[GreenDragon37]

GETH1183 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

I don't know if this has been asked already (mainly because I'm lazy to go through 5 pages of this thread), but how is it that there's a batarian ambassador on the Citadel?  I thought the batarians closed their embassy in protest of the humans getting colonization rights in the Skyllian Verge? I thought the Batarian Hegemony did not have relations with the Citadel and have become a rogue state?

It's in the codex in ME1, as the wiki states, if you care to notice: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Batarian#History

It could be a representative from Kar'Shan. However, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Any remember Mass Effect Galaxy?

They've got a lot of nerve showing their faces on the CItadel after they pulled that stunt. <_<

You also have to remember what Jacob said about the whole situation was hushed or as he put it, "...a good deed's like pissing your self in dark pants? Warm feeling but no one notices."

True. But I bet the Council knows about that incident with Jath Amon. Why wouldn't they, afterall? Just because it's not made public, doesn't mean the higher-ups don't know about it. If it were up to me, I would't have ever let that ambassador set foot on the CItadel. Then again, I hate Batarians, but I have good reasons.

[Dr. Megaverse]

I was inspired :-D

[GETH1183]

I completly forgot about it until I found another forum. Keiji's greybox might have a roll in the DLC(for those that kept it)

[JakeGamer1]

Anyone ever thought that the reason why batarians are so anti human are because the whole race was indoctrinated a long time ago? I mean seriously this whole thing can't be about a few colonies that went to the Alliance. Plus considering the collectors made purchases from slavers it's possible that they went to the batarians first. Though who knows? Heck something in Arrival or ME3 might even make us like some of them (won't like Balak under any circumstances).

[GETH1183]

JakeGamer1 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that the reason why batarians are so anti human are because the whole race was indoctrinated a long time ago? I mean seriously this whole thing can't be about a few colonies that went to the Alliance. Plus considering the collectors made purchases from slavers it's possible that they went to the batarians first. Though who knows? Heck something in Arrival or ME3 might even make us like some of them (won't like Balak under any circumstances).

I still think the Leviathan of Dis could explain that. It was discovered 8 years before the batarians close their embassy on the Citadel.

[Frraksurred]

michaelrsa wrote...

“Having recently conducted significant joint operation exercises with the turians, as well as smaller efforts with salarians and asari, the Alliance Navy feels the threats of the 22nd and 23rd centuries [Earth standard] will be external to the signatories of the treaty of Farixen.”


External threats?

They know about the Reapers, has to be.

I don't believe so. If you've read the latest ME book then you'll know it relates more to Cerberus. I don't want to spoil anything, so I'll leave it at that. Regardless, the Alliance and Turians have gotten much friendlier since ME2.

[Tennessee88]

Frraksurred wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

“Having recently conducted significant joint operation exercises with the turians, as well as smaller efforts with salarians and asari, the Alliance Navy feels the threats of the 22nd and 23rd centuries [Earth standard] will be external to the signatories of the treaty of Farixen.”


External threats?

They know about the Reapers, has to be.

I don't believe so. If you've read the latest ME book then you'll know it relates more to Cerberus. I don't want to spoil anything, so I'll leave it at that. Regardless, the Alliance and Turians have gotten much friendlier since ME2.

First off we do not know the relationship between Retribution and Arrival when it comes to time. Secondly I think it would be bold to assume that the ending of Retribution means that the Turians and Alliance are now BFF. Csec arresting Alliance brass, the embarassment caused by the scandal, and the fact that Turian only squads arrested many of the officers isn't exactly grounds for friendship.

Also why would Dreadnought production be a reasonable asset to use against an organization such as Cerberus. It would be a waste of resources.


So we can conclude one of two things is driving this. Batarian aggression which had been increasingly hostile is now reaching a point where war is brewing. Hell one of the side missions featured Batarians nuking a human colony.

Or that between Shepard's revelations, the evidence Anderson recovered, the evidence regarding the relays, the Turian discovery of the Thanix cannon, poptential information leaks by the new Shadow Broker, etc etc... That the Reaper threat has been accepted among top military circles.

I believe it is the first. The game alluded heavily at Batarian aggression throughout the game with missions and newscasts.  We are going into the Hegemony's space and fighting their troops. CDN has focussed on Batarian special forces trying to squash any support for the findings. Its time to get ready to kill every last one of those Gud-dam terrorist.

Suffer not the Batarian to Live! (Thanks to whoever started this phrase)

[Lvl20DM]

It could be that the Reaper threat and the Batarian threat are now the same thing - or that the Reapers are pitting the races against each other in preparation for their... Arrival.

[CannotCompute]

March 25
Two unauthorized researchers have been arrested and charged with attempting to tamper with the Lowas relay. “Zahi Moon and Ellis Veech were found on Lowas’ outer surface, planning on accessing the command switches embedded in the relay,” says Council Relay Security officer Lisa Tanabe. “They were about as successful as the last hundred people who tried. The real harm was parking a research vessel near a potential collision zone where debris would take weeks to clean, and we know what a single screw can do to a ship at high velocities.” Tanabe is referring to the tragic explosion of the Mihairokov, a spacecraft that hit an orbiting metal bolt that caused the ship’s cabin to depressurize, killing the passengers onboard.

The f*ck? The shields of a ship deflect debris...

Lore fault?

Modifié par CannotCompute, 23 mars 2011 - 02:48 .

[Reiella]

CannotCompute wrote...

March 25
Two unauthorized researchers have been arrested and charged with attempting to tamper with the Lowas relay. “Zahi Moon and Ellis Veech were found on Lowas’ outer surface, planning on accessing the command switches embedded in the relay,” says Council Relay Security officer Lisa Tanabe. “They were about as successful as the last hundred people who tried. The real harm was parking a research vessel near a potential collision zone where debris would take weeks to clean, and we know what a single screw can do to a ship at high velocities.” Tanabe is referring to the tragic explosion of the Mihairokov, a spacecraft that hit an orbiting metal bolt that caused the ship’s cabin to depressurize, killing the passengers onboard.

The f*ck? The shields of a ship deflect debris...

Lore fault?

I suspect it meant when leaving the mass effect relay, impact at superluminal speeds and all that fun.  But the Mihairokov reference is odd.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

cool

[WhiteAden]

GETH1183 wrote...

JakeGamer1 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that the reason why batarians are so anti human are because the whole race was indoctrinated a long time ago? I mean seriously this whole thing can't be about a few colonies that went to the Alliance. Plus considering the collectors made purchases from slavers it's possible that they went to the batarians first. Though who knows? Heck something in Arrival or ME3 might even make us like some of them (won't like Balak under any circumstances).

I still think the Leviathan of Dis could explain that. It was discovered 8 years before the batarians close their embassy on the Citadel.

The Reapers weren;t interested in Humanity until after you destroyed Sovereign... YOU (Shepard) made Humanity visible on the Reaper Radar.... if you never existed, and a Turian would have led the team (Garrus maybe) the Turians would be the ones being abducted, and we would be fighting a Turian Baby Reaper in ME2

wasn't the Leviathan of Dis an Organic thing? Reapers weren't Organic... maybe it was a prototype of a Prothean Reaper... or maybe it is an extinct race the Reapers indoctrinated a long time ago? (pre-prothean?)

I don't know, but I think it's a big mystery until ME3 comes out! =P

[GETH1183]

WhiteAden wrote...

GETH1183 wrote...

JakeGamer1 wrote...

Anyone ever thought that the reason why batarians are so anti human are because the whole race was indoctrinated a long time ago? I mean seriously this whole thing can't be about a few colonies that went to the Alliance. Plus considering the collectors made purchases from slavers it's possible that they went to the batarians first. Though who knows? Heck something in Arrival or ME3 might even make us like some of them (won't like Balak under any circumstances).

I still think the Leviathan of Dis could explain that. It was discovered 8 years before the batarians close their embassy on the Citadel.

The Reapers weren;t interested in Humanity until after you destroyed Sovereign... YOU (Shepard) made Humanity visible on the Reaper Radar.... if you never existed, and a Turian would have led the team (Garrus maybe) the Turians would be the ones being abducted, and we would be fighting a Turian Baby Reaper in ME2

wasn't the Leviathan of Dis an Organic thing? Reapers weren't Organic... maybe it was a prototype of a Prothean Reaper... or maybe it is an extinct race the Reapers indoctrinated a long time ago? (pre-prothean?)

I don't know, but I think it's a big mystery until ME3 comes out! =P

I have to pull out something I posted earlier and something EDI said.

GETH1183 wrote...

When I read the March 23 news I also thought about the Leviathan of Dis. How many times when fighting the Blue Suns do the humanoids wear the same helmet and don't tell me they are all humans. The codex and Zaeed say the Blue Suns have many batarians and humans and we have seen plenty of batarians not wearing helmets in the Blue Suns.

I think the batarians that stole the Leviathan are part of a shadow orginization parallel to that of Cerberus more or less(preferably less). I also support the possible indoctrination theory, especially with what happened to the Cerberus team within the Reaper 'corpse' and this quote from EDI, "Reapers are sapient constructs. A hybrid of oganic and inoganic material." And the Leviathan is the remains of a genetically engineered starship.

We could be wrong...but what if we're right...

Again this is all simply theories until the DLC comes out and proves what is what.

Modifié par GETH1183, 23 mars 2011 - 05:39 .

[Sylvf]

aleph-0 wrote...

Interesting. On a potentially unrelated note, 413, 612 and LOWAS references? Is someone on the CDN writing staff a Homestuck fan?

Pffffft. That's crazy talk.

Modifié par Sylvf, 23 mars 2011 - 05:25 .

[Cossack72]

Sylvf wrote...

aleph-0 wrote...

Interesting. On a potentially unrelated note, 413, 612 and LOWAS references? Is someone on the CDN writing staff a Homestuck fan?

Pffffft. That's crazy talk.

Yup, we're loopy alright

[CyanidPontifex]

Sylvf wrote...

aleph-0 wrote...

Interesting. On a potentially unrelated note, 413, 612 and LOWAS references? Is someone on the CDN writing staff a Homestuck fan?

Pffffft. That's crazy talk.

Of course.

[Bad King]

Great Batarians are going to be further demonized by the looks of things.

Modifié par Bad King, 23 mars 2011 - 10:00 .

[snakeboy86]

thanks for this, the PS3 version doesn't have it

[Bad King]

Yakko77 wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

Whoa, batarians have some legitimate grievances against humanity. I don't agree with their support of slavery but I don't enjoy killing them.

Our hate for each other isn't going to just go away like that and if possible I'd like to take the first step to ending it.

Next time you see a blink, give him a hug, not a bullet.

What legitimate greivances?  That humanity colonized planets before they did?  That humanity was growing stronger and faster than their "civilzation" which relies on slavery?

Sorry, the batarians are no victims IMO.

Edit: I  do hope to meet additional batarians who are not slavers/terrorists though.  That can't be all they are.

They had been waiting to colonise the planets for centuries, perhaps even spending a lot of money in preparation for colonising when humans snatched the planets. Under normal circumstances humans would have been rebuked by the council, but because the council were anxious not to offend humanity (a race that the council didn't fully understand at the time) they turned a blind eye to it and this was completely unjust.

Also why do people seem to hate every Batarian because they have slavery in their culture? Culture can change, and I'm sure Batarians will eventually drop slavery like humans did.

Modifié par Bad King, 23 mars 2011 - 10:18 .

[GreenDragon37]

Bad King wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

Whoa, batarians have some legitimate grievances against humanity. I don't agree with their support of slavery but I don't enjoy killing them.

Our hate for each other isn't going to just go away like that and if possible I'd like to take the first step to ending it.

Next time you see a blink, give him a hug, not a bullet.

What legitimate greivances?  That humanity colonized planets before they did?  That humanity was growing stronger and faster than their "civilzation" which relies on slavery?

Sorry, the batarians are no victims IMO.

Edit: I  do hope to meet additional batarians who are not slavers/terrorists though.  That can't be all they are.

They had been waiting to colonise the planets for centuries, perhaps even spending a lot of money in preparation for colonising when humans snatched the planets. Under normal circumstances humans would have been rebuked by the council, but because the council were anxious not to offend humanity (a race that the council didn't fully understand at the time) they turned a blind eye to it and this was completely unjust.

Also why do people seem to hate every Batarian because they have slavery in their culture? Culture can change, and I'm sure Batarians will eventually drop slavery like humans did.

Wow, just... wow. Ok, here we go:

1.  If they were looking at those worlds for colonization for centuries, they would have taken 'em centuries ago. But they didn't. The Batarians had no legitimate cliams to those worlds.  The Council didn't side with Humanity because they were scared of us, it was because they had no real legitimate claim.

It's like laying claim to a toy that you see in a store window, suddenly another kid buys the toy, you get mad, and go out and try to kill the boy for taking the toy. How does that make sense? You didn't buy it, you didn't put it in lay-away, it's not yours. It wasn't a matter of "justice", the Batarians are being brats who didn't get their way.

2. I love how you are saying that we hate Batarians because they're slavers. You've completely neglected the fact that the Batarians are raiding Human colonies and taking Human slaves! Slavery is reprehensible, but people wouldn't be up in arms ready to fight if the Batarians were doing it to their own people. Unfortunately, what they do in their borders is up to them. However, we've had Mindoir and the Skyllian Blitz! Two other acts of terrorism/assault on Alliance territory that you once again failed to bring up.

In short, the Batarians are no saints. The situation they are in is entirely their fault. So next time, be careful before you play the "victim" card for the Batarians. <_<

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 23 mars 2011 - 11:04 .

[DaVanguard]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...



I was inspired :-D

40k! For the Guard!

[Bad King]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

Whoa, batarians have some legitimate grievances against humanity. I don't agree with their support of slavery but I don't enjoy killing them.

Our hate for each other isn't going to just go away like that and if possible I'd like to take the first step to ending it.

Next time you see a blink, give him a hug, not a bullet.

What legitimate greivances?  That humanity colonized planets before they did?  That humanity was growing stronger and faster than their "civilzation" which relies on slavery?

Sorry, the batarians are no victims IMO.

Edit: I  do hope to meet additional batarians who are not slavers/terrorists though.  That can't be all they are.

They had been waiting to colonise the planets for centuries, perhaps even spending a lot of money in preparation for colonising when humans snatched the planets. Under normal circumstances humans would have been rebuked by the council, but because the council were anxious not to offend humanity (a race that the council didn't fully understand at the time) they turned a blind eye to it and this was completely unjust.

Also why do people seem to hate every Batarian because they have slavery in their culture? Culture can change, and I'm sure Batarians will eventually drop slavery like humans did.

Wow, just... wow. Ok, here we go:

1.  If they were looking at those worlds for colonization for centuries, they would have taken 'em centuries ago. But they didn't. The Batarians had no legitimate cliams to those worlds.  The Council didn't side with Humanity because they were scared of us, it was because they had no real legitimate claim.

It's like laying claim to a toy that you see in a store window, suddenly another kid buys the toy, you get mad, and go out and try to kill the boy for taking the toy. How does that make sense? You didn't buy it, you didn't put it in lay-away, it's not yours. It wasn't a matter of "justice", the Batarians are being brats who didn't get their way.

2. I love how you are saying that we hate Batarians because they're slavers. You've completely neglected the fact that the Batarians are raiding Human colonies and taking Human slaves! Slavery is reprehensible, but people wouldn't be up in arms ready to fight if the Batarians were doing it to their own people. Unfortunately, what they do in their borders is up to them. However, we've had Mindoir and the Skyllian Blitz! Two other acts of terrorism/assault on Alliance territory that you once again failed to bring up.

In short, the Batarians are no saints. The situation they are in is entirely their fault. So next time, be careful before you play the "victim" card for the Batarians. <_<

Wow I have a different opinion to you.

1. The reason they didn't take them was because they were preparing them for colonisation. They probably spent a lot on preparing for colonisation, on vessels and on analysis of these planets' climates. So it's more like a kid seeing a damaged toy in a shop window, spending years returning to the shop to repair it ever so slightly every time, and then another kid stealing it.

2. It was Batarian extremists funded by a totalitarian regime that were responsible for attacks on human colonies. So, because a totalitarian government is committing attrocities by organising terrorist attacks, does that mean we should hate all the people who are controlled by this government? Should we generalise the acts of a few batarians onto an entire race? Of course not! There are plenty of real world analogues that I could bring up, but I don't want this thread deteriorating into politics.

Modifié par Bad King, 23 mars 2011 - 11:19 .

[GreenDragon37]

Bad King wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

Whoa, batarians have some legitimate grievances against humanity. I don't agree with their support of slavery but I don't enjoy killing them.

Our hate for each other isn't going to just go away like that and if possible I'd like to take the first step to ending it.

Next time you see a blink, give him a hug, not a bullet.

What legitimate greivances?  That humanity colonized planets before they did?  That humanity was growing stronger and faster than their "civilzation" which relies on slavery?

Sorry, the batarians are no victims IMO.

Edit: I  do hope to meet additional batarians who are not slavers/terrorists though.  That can't be all they are.

They had been waiting to colonise the planets for centuries, perhaps even spending a lot of money in preparation for colonising when humans snatched the planets. Under normal circumstances humans would have been rebuked by the council, but because the council were anxious not to offend humanity (a race that the council didn't fully understand at the time) they turned a blind eye to it and this was completely unjust.

Also why do people seem to hate every Batarian because they have slavery in their culture? Culture can change, and I'm sure Batarians will eventually drop slavery like humans did.

Wow, just... wow. Ok, here we go:

1.  If they were looking at those worlds for colonization for centuries, they would have taken 'em centuries ago. But they didn't. The Batarians had no legitimate cliams to those worlds.  The Council didn't side with Humanity because they were scared of us, it was because they had no real legitimate claim.

It's like laying claim to a toy that you see in a store window, suddenly another kid buys the toy, you get mad, and go out and try to kill the boy for taking the toy. How does that make sense? You didn't buy it, you didn't put it in lay-away, it's not yours. It wasn't a matter of "justice", the Batarians are being brats who didn't get their way.

2. I love how you are saying that we hate Batarians because they're slavers. You've completely neglected the fact that the Batarians are raiding Human colonies and taking Human slaves! Slavery is reprehensible, but people wouldn't be up in arms ready to fight if the Batarians were doing it to their own people. Unfortunately, what they do in their borders is up to them. However, we've had Mindoir and the Skyllian Blitz! Two other acts of terrorism/assault on Alliance territory that you once again failed to bring up.

In short, the Batarians are no saints. The situation they are in is entirely their fault. So next time, be careful before you play the "victim" card for the Batarians. <_<

Wow I have a different opinion to you.

1. The reason they didn't take them was because they were preparing them for colonisation. They probably spent a lot on preparing for colonisation, on vessels and on analysis of these planets' climates. So it's more like a kid seeing a damaged toy in a shop window, spending years returning to the shop to repair it ever so slightly every time, and then another kid stealing it.

2. It was Batarian extremists funded by a totalitarian regime that were responsible for attacks on human colonies. So, because a totalitarian government is committing attrocities by organising terrorist attacks, does that mean we should hate all the people who are controlled by this government? Should we generalise the acts of a few batarians onto an entire race? Of course not! There are plenty of real world analogues that I could bring up, but I don't want this thread deteriorating into politics.

1. How do you know this? Where you getting your information? If what you say is true, than they were just stupid. They didn't place a colony down while "terraforiming for centuries"? Something doesn't add up.

2. You said we shouldn't hate Batarians because they have slavery in their culture. I said that we hate them because they force their culture onto us. You made no mention of individuals in your original response. I didn't say anything about hating all Batarians. I stated why people hate the Batarians, because, again, their government is raiding our colonies and taking slaves and commiting terrorist acts. You were "defending" this, saying "well, Humanity shouldn't have taken their colonies in the first place". So, you are, to some degree, defending the Hegemony's side of the story.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 23 mars 2011 - 11:30 .