GreenDragon37 wrote...
Bad King wrote...
GreenDragon37 wrote...
Bad King wrote...
Yakko77 wrote...
michaelrsa wrote...
Whoa, batarians have some legitimate grievances against humanity. I don't agree with their support of slavery but I don't enjoy killing them.
Our hate for each other isn't going to just go away like that and if possible I'd like to take the first step to ending it.
Next time you see a blink, give him a hug, not a bullet.
What legitimate greivances? That humanity colonized planets before they did? That humanity was growing stronger and faster than their "civilzation" which relies on slavery?
Sorry, the batarians are no victims IMO.
Edit: I do hope to meet additional batarians who are not slavers/terrorists though. That can't be all they are.
They had been waiting to colonise the planets for centuries, perhaps even spending a lot of money in preparation for colonising when humans snatched the planets. Under normal circumstances humans would have been rebuked by the council, but because the council were anxious not to offend humanity (a race that the council didn't fully understand at the time) they turned a blind eye to it and this was completely unjust.
Also why do people seem to hate every Batarian because they have slavery in their culture? Culture can change, and I'm sure Batarians will eventually drop slavery like humans did.
Wow, just... wow. Ok, here we go:
1. If they were looking at those worlds for colonization for centuries, they would have taken 'em centuries ago. But they didn't. The Batarians had no legitimate cliams to those worlds. The Council didn't side with Humanity because they were scared of us, it was because they had no real legitimate claim.
It's like laying claim to a toy that you see in a store window, suddenly another kid buys the toy, you get mad, and go out and try to kill the boy for taking the toy. How does that make sense? You didn't buy it, you didn't put it in lay-away, it's not yours. It wasn't a matter of "justice", the Batarians are being brats who didn't get their way.
2. I love how you are saying that we hate Batarians because they're slavers. You've completely neglected the fact that the Batarians are raiding Human colonies and taking Human slaves! Slavery is reprehensible, but people wouldn't be up in arms ready to fight if the Batarians were doing it to their own people. Unfortunately, what they do in their borders is up to them. However, we've had Mindoir and the Skyllian Blitz! Two other acts of terrorism/assault on Alliance territory that you once again failed to bring up.
In short, the Batarians are no saints. The situation they are in is entirely their fault. So next time, be careful before you play the "victim" card for the Batarians. <_<
Wow I have a different opinion to you.
1. The reason they didn't take them was because they were preparing them for colonisation. They probably spent a lot on preparing for colonisation, on vessels and on analysis of these planets' climates. So it's more like a kid seeing a damaged toy in a shop window, spending years returning to the shop to repair it ever so slightly every time, and then another kid stealing it.
2. It was Batarian extremists funded by a totalitarian regime that were responsible for attacks on human colonies. So, because a totalitarian government is committing attrocities by organising terrorist attacks, does that mean we should hate all the people who are controlled by this government? Should we generalise the acts of a few batarians onto an entire race? Of course not! There are plenty of real world analogues that I could bring up, but I don't want this thread deteriorating into politics.
1. How do you know this? Where you getting your information? If what you say is true, than they were just stupid. They didn't place a colony down while "terraforiming for centuries"? Something doesn't add up.
2. You said we shouldn't hate Batarians because they have slavery in their culture. I said that we hate them because they force their culture onto us. I didn't say anthing about hating all Batarians.I stated why people hate the Batarians, because, again, their government is raiding our colonies and taking slaves and commiting terrorist acts. You were "defending" this, saying "well, Humanity shouldn't have taken their colonies in the first place". So, you are, to some degree, defending the Hegemony's side of the story.
1. http://masseffect.wi...arian_Codex.ogg - "...much to the dismay of the Batarians who had been developing the region for several decades."
2. Strawman agrument. Read my comment again. I said that humans shouldn't have taken the worlds they were preparing, and agreed that their grievances against humanity are legitimate, but I NEVER said that that justifies terrorist attacks and raids. Also in my book 'all Batarians' and 'the Batarians' is the same thing.
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