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[Ahriman]

CyanidPontifex wrote...

Things are rather different for the hanar.

Still rest of Galaxy doesn't care about protheans that much.

[Almostfaceman]

Wizz wrote...

CyanidPontifex wrote...

Things are rather different for the hanar.

Still rest of Galaxy doesn't care about protheans that much.

Not true.

"Reactions to the discovery that mass relays were not created
by the Prothean civilization continue to pour in." - Cerberus Daily News, March 24

[Ahriman]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Not true.

"Reactions to the discovery that mass relays were not created
by the Prothean civilization continue to pour in." - Cerberus Daily News, March 24

Read my previous post on previous page, please.

[AlexMBrennan]

EDIT: For those interested in how I got this: The game usually downloads about
2-3 weeks of CDN updates at a time, which it stores locally and
displays on the proper day

Why does that not surprise me? Security engineering is about computers so it must be easy? Edit to add: And we all suffer because of that attitude.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 24 mars 2011 - 04:38 .

[Almostfaceman]

Wizz wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Not true.

"Reactions to the discovery that mass relays were not created
by the Prothean civilization continue to pour in." - Cerberus Daily News, March 24

Read my previous post on previous page, please.

I did.  It's your *opinion* about what the news *should* be.  That doesn't make it "fact" in the ME universe.  The "fact" in the ME universe is what the Cerberus Daily News tells us, rendering your declaration that "the rest of the galaxy doesn't care", "false" for that universe.  That was my point.

[Thargorichiban]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Not true.

"Reactions to the discovery that mass relays were not created
by the Prothean civilization continue to pour in." - Cerberus Daily News, March 24

Read my previous post on previous page, please.

I did.  It's your *opinion* about what the news *should* be.  That doesn't make it "fact" in the ME universe.  The "fact" in the ME universe is what the Cerberus Daily News tells us, rendering your declaration that "the rest of the galaxy doesn't care", "false" for that universe.  That was my point.

This also does give the greater galactic community pause as a somewhat notable Spectre two years ago was ranting about "Reapers" that had created the mass relays... I bet the Mass Effect Universe's conspiracy theorists would be going into overdrive

[Ahriman]

Almostfaceman wrote...
I did.  It's your *opinion* about what the news *should* be.  That doesn't make it "fact" in the ME universe.  The "fact" in the ME universe is what the Cerberus Daily News tells us, rendering your declaration that "the rest of the galaxy doesn't care", "false" for that universe.  That was my point.

Yes, it's my opinion. And I didn't understand why you show me this 'fact' when I think it's non-realistic.

[Almostfaceman]

Wizz wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
I did.  It's your *opinion* about what the news *should* be.  That doesn't make it "fact" in the ME universe.  The "fact" in the ME universe is what the Cerberus Daily News tells us, rendering your declaration that "the rest of the galaxy doesn't care", "false" for that universe.  That was my point.

Yes, it's my opinion. And I didn't understand why you show me this 'fact' when I think it's non-realistic.

It doesn't matter that you think it's non-realistic, it's happening in the ME Universe.  That was my point.

[Ahriman]

Almostfaceman wrote...
It doesn't matter that you think it's non-realistic, it's happening in the ME Universe.

I know that, man.

BTW Does last news entry about Hacket mean that events of Arrival occur before March 28?

[Thargorichiban]

Wizz wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
It doesn't matter that you think it's non-realistic, it's happening in the ME Universe.

I know that, man.

BTW Does last news entry about Hacket mean that events of Arrival occur before March 28?

I didn't read it that way. I can easily see Hackett's statement occurring before Shepard goes in during Arrival. It seems like military posturing on the part of Hackett, a subtle threat directed towards the Batarians so they possibly release the hostages. Unfortunately it seems it doesn't work and Shepard has to go in.

[GreenDragon37]

Bad King wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

Whoa, batarians have some legitimate grievances against humanity. I don't agree with their support of slavery but I don't enjoy killing them.

Our hate for each other isn't going to just go away like that and if possible I'd like to take the first step to ending it.

Next time you see a blink, give him a hug, not a bullet.

What legitimate greivances?  That humanity colonized planets before they did?  That humanity was growing stronger and faster than their "civilzation" which relies on slavery?

Sorry, the batarians are no victims IMO.

Edit: I  do hope to meet additional batarians who are not slavers/terrorists though.  That can't be all they are.

They had been waiting to colonise the planets for centuries, perhaps even spending a lot of money in preparation for colonising when humans snatched the planets. Under normal circumstances humans would have been rebuked by the council, but because the council were anxious not to offend humanity (a race that the council didn't fully understand at the time) they turned a blind eye to it and this was completely unjust.

Also why do people seem to hate every Batarian because they have slavery in their culture? Culture can change, and I'm sure Batarians will eventually drop slavery like humans did.

Wow, just... wow. Ok, here we go:

1.  If they were looking at those worlds for colonization for centuries, they would have taken 'em centuries ago. But they didn't. The Batarians had no legitimate cliams to those worlds.  The Council didn't side with Humanity because they were scared of us, it was because they had no real legitimate claim.

It's like laying claim to a toy that you see in a store window, suddenly another kid buys the toy, you get mad, and go out and try to kill the boy for taking the toy. How does that make sense? You didn't buy it, you didn't put it in lay-away, it's not yours. It wasn't a matter of "justice", the Batarians are being brats who didn't get their way.

2. I love how you are saying that we hate Batarians because they're slavers. You've completely neglected the fact that the Batarians are raiding Human colonies and taking Human slaves! Slavery is reprehensible, but people wouldn't be up in arms ready to fight if the Batarians were doing it to their own people. Unfortunately, what they do in their borders is up to them. However, we've had Mindoir and the Skyllian Blitz! Two other acts of terrorism/assault on Alliance territory that you once again failed to bring up.

In short, the Batarians are no saints. The situation they are in is entirely their fault. So next time, be careful before you play the "victim" card for the Batarians. <_<

Wow I have a different opinion to you.

1. The reason they didn't take them was because they were preparing them for colonisation. They probably spent a lot on preparing for colonisation, on vessels and on analysis of these planets' climates. So it's more like a kid seeing a damaged toy in a shop window, spending years returning to the shop to repair it ever so slightly every time, and then another kid stealing it.

2. It was Batarian extremists funded by a totalitarian regime that were responsible for attacks on human colonies. So, because a totalitarian government is committing attrocities by organising terrorist attacks, does that mean we should hate all the people who are controlled by this government? Should we generalise the acts of a few batarians onto an entire race? Of course not! There are plenty of real world analogues that I could bring up, but I don't want this thread deteriorating into politics.

1. How do you know this? Where you getting your information? If what you say is true, than they were just stupid. They didn't place a colony down while "terraforiming for centuries"? Something doesn't add up.

2. You said we shouldn't hate Batarians because they have slavery in their culture. I said that we hate them because they force their culture onto us. I didn't say anthing about hating all Batarians.I stated why people hate the Batarians, because, again, their government is raiding our colonies and taking slaves and commiting terrorist acts. You were "defending" this, saying "well, Humanity shouldn't have taken their colonies in the first place". So, you are, to some degree, defending the Hegemony's side of the story.

1. http://masseffect.wi...arian_Codex.ogg - "...much to the dismay of the Batarians who had been developing the region for several decades."

2. Strawman agrument. Read my comment again. I said that humans shouldn't have taken the worlds they were preparing, and agreed that their grievances against humanity are legitimate, but I NEVER said that that justifies terrorist attacks and raids. Also in my book 'all Batarians' and 'the Batarians' is the same thing.

1. Actually, I just looked at the wiki. And when I clicked on the Skyllian verge, I found this:

"The Skyllian Verge[/b] is a largely undeveloped patch of space situated along the borders of Systems Alliance and batarian space. As such, there is intense competition between humans and batarians to colonize, develop and exploit the worlds."

Look at the bolded part.

So, they've been "developing the whole region for decades", eh? It says that the Batarians had been colonizing the region. They did not have claim over all of it, nor did they develop the entire Verge, just some of the worlds in it. The Humans started settling the Verge as well. They did not take Batarian worlds, the Alliance took worlds in the Verge that weren't settled.

So, there goes your argument.

2. (a)Look at the above comment. (b)You said why we should hate the Batarians for having slavery. We hate them because they are taking Human slaves. You talked about the institution of slavery, and why we should hate the Batrians for having it. The institution involves raiding Human colonies for slaves. So, there ya' go.

1. Key word is 'largely'. According to the in-game codex, the Batarians were indeed developing regions of the verge which were taken by humanity. So wherever that information you posted comes from it does not contradict the in-game codex entry. Listen to the codex file again and it confirms that my argument.

2. Who is it that keeps slaves in societies? It is the upper classes. In this case the upper castes and rulers of the Batarian hegemony keep the slave culture going and these are the ones who organise the raids on human colonies. The majority lower castes are simply ruled over, so you can hardly blame every one of them- they are oppressed people living under a government that promotes a slave culture.

*sigh* here we go again.

1. I listened to the codex. There was no-where where it said the Batarians were largely developing the entire Verge. Just their portion of it. Humanity didn't take their worlds, the Batarians said Humanity took their worlds. The key wods here are "the Batarians said". And the Batarians believed they had claim over all of the Verge. You again, fail to realize this and try to pull BS arguments out of your ass. Get this through your thick skull:

The Skyllian Verge lies in-between the Systems Alliance and the Hegemony. The Hegemony had been settling the Verge, but not all of it. Humanity comes in and starts to settle the Verge as well. It's a largely undeveloped region. There are worlds to take that the Batarians didn't have. The Batarians threw a hissy fit because they wanted it all. The Council refused to grant this to them. They had no legitimate claim over all of the Verge. The Verge was free to anyone to settle, the Batarians didn't like competition, so they started a war with Humanity. A war they lost.

2. Again, where did I say the idividual is at fault? I said the institution is bad, because they keep taking Humans as slaves. Why are you ignoring this? It doesn't matter whose doing it. Humans are still getting captured and placed into slavery, and they aren't doing a damn thing about it. Stop dancing around the argument and address the meat and bones of it!

You asked why the Batarians having slavery is a bad thing. I gave you the answer. You continue to defend the Hegemony's slavery. WTF?

3. And I lol'd at "oppressed". Again, stop acting like the Batarians are innocent of everything! Wanna' know an interesting thing I found on the Wiki:

"The Citadel Council
made first contact with the batarians in approximately 200 BCE, and
granted the batarians an embassy on the Citadel a century later. Despite
being welcomed into the galactic community, batarian aggression
provoked several crises in galactic relations over the years. Sometime
around 1785 CE, a batarian fleet bombarded the salarian colony world of Mannovai; in 1913, the Batarian Hegemony annexed the independent asari colony of Esan; and in 2115, Citadel forces skirmished with batarian forces on the planet Enael."


Apparently long before Humanity set foot in space, the Batarian Hegemony has pursued an aggressive policy against the other races of the galaxy. And Council races at that! That's just stupid!

So, how are they innocent? How could you give credibility to anything they say? The Hegemony is filled with aggressive warmongers, who have been known to grab anything they can take! And you're defending what they say like it's the Gospel Truth?

Makes... no... sense!


 

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 24 mars 2011 - 10:45 .

[Clone 071]

Green, you continue to impress me with your debating skills. Honestly, if these so-called "oppressed people" are truly oppressed by their government, then why not leave Khar'Shan? Or if they're not allowed to leave, have their asses smuggled offworld since Batarians seem to be good at most everything we humans happen to find immoral.

[GreenDragon37]

Clone 071 wrote...

Green, you continue to impress me with your debating skills. Honestly, if these so-called "oppressed people" are truly oppressed by their government, then why not leave Khar'Shan? Or if they're not allowed to leave, have their asses smuggled offworld since Batarians seem to be good at most everything we humans happen to find immoral.

I know right? We see plenty of Batarians outside of Batarian space. If they were "oppressed" they would have left.  Their government is oppressive and warmongering, why not overthrow 'em? They had God knows how long to do this!

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 24 mars 2011 - 10:50 .

[CroGamer002]

GreenDragon37 wrote...


3. And I lol'd at "oppressed". Again, stop acting like the Batarians are innocent of everything! Wanna' know an interesting thing I found on the Wiki:

"The Citadel Council
made first contact with the batarians in approximately 200 BCE, and
granted the batarians an embassy on the Citadel a century later. Despite
being welcomed into the galactic community, batarian aggression
provoked several crises in galactic relations over the years. Sometime
around 1785 CE, a batarian fleet bombarded the salarian colony world of Mannovai; in 1913, the Batarian Hegemony annexed the independent asari colony of Esan; and in 2115, Citadel forces skirmished with batarian forces on the planet Enael."


Apparently long before Humanity set foot in space, the Batarian Hegemony has pursued an aggressive policy against the other races of the galaxy. And Council races at that! That's just stupid!

So, how are they innocent? How could you give credibility to anything they say? The Hegemony is filled with aggressive warmongers, who have been known to grab anything they can take! And you're defending what they say like it's the Gospel Truth?

Makes... no... sense!


 

That I never knew.

[GreenDragon37]

Mesina2 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...


3. And I lol'd at "oppressed". Again, stop acting like the Batarians are innocent of everything! Wanna' know an interesting thing I found on the Wiki:

"The Citadel Council
made first contact with the batarians in approximately 200 BCE, and
granted the batarians an embassy on the Citadel a century later. Despite
being welcomed into the galactic community, batarian aggression
provoked several crises in galactic relations over the years. Sometime
around 1785 CE, a batarian fleet bombarded the salarian colony world of Mannovai; in 1913, the Batarian Hegemony annexed the independent asari colony of Esan; and in 2115, Citadel forces skirmished with batarian forces on the planet Enael."


Apparently long before Humanity set foot in space, the Batarian Hegemony has pursued an aggressive policy against the other races of the galaxy. And Council races at that! That's just stupid!

So, how are they innocent? How could you give credibility to anything they say? The Hegemony is filled with aggressive warmongers, who have been known to grab anything they can take! And you're defending what they say like it's the Gospel Truth?

Makes... no... sense!


 

That I never knew.

Me neither. I found out yesterday when he told me he went to the wiki. When I looked up the Batarians it was the first thing in their history. It's... a shock. It also adds more depth to the situation. The Hegemony is not (nor has it ever been) a Human-only problem. It might explain why the Council sided with Humanity over the Batarians. Makes sense.

Modifié par GreenDragon37, 24 mars 2011 - 11:03 .

[CroGamer002]

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...


3. And I lol'd at "oppressed". Again, stop acting like the Batarians are innocent of everything! Wanna' know an interesting thing I found on the Wiki:

"The Citadel Council
made first contact with the batarians in approximately 200 BCE, and
granted the batarians an embassy on the Citadel a century later. Despite
being welcomed into the galactic community, batarian aggression
provoked several crises in galactic relations over the years. Sometime
around 1785 CE, a batarian fleet bombarded the salarian colony world of Mannovai; in 1913, the Batarian Hegemony annexed the independent asari colony of Esan; and in 2115, Citadel forces skirmished with batarian forces on the planet Enael."


Apparently long before Humanity set foot in space, the Batarian Hegemony has pursued an aggressive policy against the other races of the galaxy. And Council races at that! That's just stupid!

So, how are they innocent? How could you give credibility to anything they say? The Hegemony is filled with aggressive warmongers, who have been known to grab anything they can take! And you're defending what they say like it's the Gospel Truth?

Makes... no... sense!


 

That I never knew.

Me neither. I found out yesterday when he told me he went to the wiki. When I looked up the Batarians it was the first thing in their history. It's... a shock. It also adds more depth to the situation. The Hegemony is not (nor has it ever been) a Human-only problem. It might explain why the Council sided with Humanity over the Batarians. Makes sense.

Yeah, but I'd like to add that Batarians are oppressed, by Batarians.

According to "leaked" planet description in Alternative Appearance Pack #2, Batarians live in Big Brother society( cameras everywhere, spy satellites working 24/7) and I think there are a lot of Batarian slaves.

[Undertone]

I think it's about time I get the hell out of this forum for awhile. People uncover more and more stuff by surprise and when I count Bioware advertisement into account too by the time Arrival comes out I feel I'll know everything there is to know kind of like ME2.

Bye-Bye till Arrival comes out.

PS. Still nice one OP.

[GreenDragon37]

Mesina2 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

GreenDragon37 wrote...


3. And I lol'd at "oppressed". Again, stop acting like the Batarians are innocent of everything! Wanna' know an interesting thing I found on the Wiki:

"The Citadel Council
made first contact with the batarians in approximately 200 BCE, and
granted the batarians an embassy on the Citadel a century later. Despite
being welcomed into the galactic community, batarian aggression
provoked several crises in galactic relations over the years. Sometime
around 1785 CE, a batarian fleet bombarded the salarian colony world of Mannovai; in 1913, the Batarian Hegemony annexed the independent asari colony of Esan; and in 2115, Citadel forces skirmished with batarian forces on the planet Enael."


Apparently long before Humanity set foot in space, the Batarian Hegemony has pursued an aggressive policy against the other races of the galaxy. And Council races at that! That's just stupid!

So, how are they innocent? How could you give credibility to anything they say? The Hegemony is filled with aggressive warmongers, who have been known to grab anything they can take! And you're defending what they say like it's the Gospel Truth?

Makes... no... sense!


 

That I never knew.

Me neither. I found out yesterday when he told me he went to the wiki. When I looked up the Batarians it was the first thing in their history. It's... a shock. It also adds more depth to the situation. The Hegemony is not (nor has it ever been) a Human-only problem. It might explain why the Council sided with Humanity over the Batarians. Makes sense.

Yeah, but I'd like to add that Batarians are oppressed, by Batarians.

According to "leaked" planet description in Alternative Appearance Pack #2, Batarians live in Big Brother society( cameras everywhere, spy satellites working 24/7) and I think there are a lot of Batarian slaves.

However, I was mainly addressing why the Hegemony is bad, and why it's institution is bad. Look at his original post. It had nothing to do with the individuals. It involved two things.

1. The Humanity is at fault for the Batarians jumoing down our throats.

2. We shouldn't hate the Batarians because they have slavery.

[implodinggoat]

Now that it's the 29th would anyone with a PC version of ME2 care to upload the next week's headlines?

[CyanidPontifex]

There are no headlines for this week.