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[TJPags]

godlike13 wrote...

Are u kidding? In either ending Hawke more of less starts a war, regardless if blank, blank, or blank could have done it, it was Hawke who is regarded as the rallying point. Clearly there's a story that can be told in what his role is in that war.

Unlike the Warden who's tale was about stopping the blight, and in one way or another got a finish to that tale, stopping the blight. Hawke's tale is more open ended, with no actual "ending" to his story, but rather were left with the beginning of something else.

Hawke started a war?  Really? 

Anders blew up the Chantry, not Hawke.  Anders could have done it with Hawke's help - which may implicate Hawke in the act which precipitated the war - but Anders could also have done it without Hawke's help at all.  So, blowing up the Chantry is not something Hawke necessarily had a hand in.

The Templars attack the Kirkwall Circle, and the Circle fights back.  No matter what Hawke says or does, or who Hawke sides with, this happens.  So Hawke didn't start this, either.

Mages all over Thedas rebelled over the events in DA2 - and Hawke can't alter any of those events.  So how did s/he more or less start anything?

[Kreid]

Well, you are assuming there will be an expansion...
Anyways, Hawke's story must continue, he/she still has a role to play in the war,, that's why Cassandra is searching The Champion for after all.
I'm not sure an expansion can deal with this at all, the war will possibly be the main focus of DA3 and Hawke must intervene, main character or not.

[godlike13]

TJPags wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

Are u kidding? In either ending Hawke more of less starts a war, regardless if blank, blank, or blank could have done it, it was Hawke who is regarded as the rallying point. Clearly there's a story that can be told in what his role is in that war.

Unlike the Warden who's tale was about stopping the blight, and in one way or another got a finish to that tale, stopping the blight. Hawke's tale is more open ended, with no actual "ending" to his story, but rather were left with the beginning of something else.

Hawke started a war?  Really? 

Anders blew up the Chantry, not Hawke.  Anders could have done it with Hawke's help - which may implicate Hawke in the act which precipitated the war - but Anders could also have done it without Hawke's help at all.  So, blowing up the Chantry is not something Hawke necessarily had a hand in.

The Templars attack the Kirkwall Circle, and the Circle fights back.  No matter what Hawke says or does, or who Hawke sides with, this happens.  So Hawke didn't start this, either.

Mages all over Thedas rebelled over the events in DA2 - and Hawke can't alter any of those events.  So how did s/he more or less start anything?

Either The Templars attack the Kirkwall Circle victoriously behind Hawk, or the Circle fights back victoriously behind Hawke. Becoming the rallying point of a war. The Templars don't just attack the Kirkwall Circle, and the Circle don't just fights back. The outcomes is dependent on Hawke.

[TJPags]

godlike13 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

Are u kidding? In either ending Hawke more of less starts a war, regardless if blank, blank, or blank could have done it, it was Hawke who is regarded as the rallying point. Clearly there's a story that can be told in what his role is in that war.

Unlike the Warden who's tale was about stopping the blight, and in one way or another got a finish to that tale, stopping the blight. Hawke's tale is more open ended, with no actual "ending" to his story, but rather were left with the beginning of something else.

Hawke started a war?  Really? 

Anders blew up the Chantry, not Hawke.  Anders could have done it with Hawke's help - which may implicate Hawke in the act which precipitated the war - but Anders could also have done it without Hawke's help at all.  So, blowing up the Chantry is not something Hawke necessarily had a hand in.

The Templars attack the Kirkwall Circle, and the Circle fights back.  No matter what Hawke says or does, or who Hawke sides with, this happens.  So Hawke didn't start this, either.

Mages all over Thedas rebelled over the events in DA2 - and Hawke can't alter any of those events.  So how did s/he more or less start anything?

Either The Templars attack the Kirkwall Circle victoriously behind Hawk, or the Circle fights back victoriously behind Hawke. Becoming the rallying point of a war. The Templars don't just attack the Kirkwall Circle, and the Circle don't just fights back. The outcomes is dependent on Hawke.

The Circle was victorious?  At the end of the game, after siding with the Mages and killing Meredith, the courtyward was FULL of Templars, led by Cullen.  I mean, FULL of Templars.  They let Hawke walk away - but didn't look like they were letting anyone follow.

I'm not so sure the Circle was victorious there.

[Legbiter]

If they want to they can certainly continue with Hawke. They've got the voice actors for it, certainly so they could run Hawke through several games like with Shepard in ME.

[Per Bialaska]

In Origins there are effects of your journey, hearing about Bhelen and Harrowmount as kings and the actions taken, hearing about the Dalish or the Werewolves, saving Redcliffe or let it die, hearing how Anora and Alistair marry. Or how Alistair becomes a drunk because you let Loghain live and Anora take the throne. So many opportunities, so many ways of making a difference. Yes, the Archdemon died, but along the way you shaped the new Ferelden.

DA2 is just so disappointing about that. No matter what you do, nothing really comes from it. A war between templars and mages start no matter what you do and the only real difference in the ending is whether you become viscount or not and if your romanced companion stays by your side. I really hope this lack of ending and effect is because they are making a DLC where you get to play out and experience what difference you have actually made.

[AlexXIV]

How come people are talking about an expansion anyway? The last thing I heard was a dev stating there would not be an expansion for DA2. Did that change or are we just assuming there is going to be one?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 24 mars 2011 - 02:33 .

[PassFail]

I would love to some DLC that focused on Hawke (and LI), starting from the decision to leave Kirkwall. I'm curious how they would handle the fact that mages and templars everywhere are using Hawke and his/her actions as justification for the war. I can understand Hawke wanting to disappear (even if you become viscount) just so s/he wouldn't have to hear all the acts being done in his/her name across Thedas.

[monopoly1888]

I have this nagging feeling that DA3 wont answer all the question. I think it will be the seekers ( and the main protagonist) in orlais ( and other places trying tp find the warden and hawke. But i think the protagonist will have some relation to ferelden. The DA4 will be the final "dragon" and some thing major will take place in Ferelden, sine hawke, warden, and possible new guy will all have ties to the country.

then of course they will start like "dawn age" games or something

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

Let us all also remember that one of the biggest loose threads from Origins, the so-called "Demon Baby", will be about 15-16 years of age when the Seeker starts questioning Varric. Old enough to actually start something (and even if the baby wasn't created, Morrigan hints at another option)....

And such war between Templars and Mages would be an absolute godsend for Morrigan. Maybe Hawke will have to choose wether to help Morrigan, or fight her?

[TJPags]

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

Let us all also remember that one of the biggest loose threads from Origins, the so-called "Demon Baby", will be about 15-16 years of age when the Seeker starts questioning Varric. Old enough to actually start something (and even if the baby wasn't created, Morrigan hints at another option)....

And such war between Templars and Mages would be an absolute godsend for Morrigan. Maybe Hawke will have to choose wether to help Morrigan, or fight her?

No, actually the OGB would be about 8 or 9.

Since Varric is being questioned 10 years after DA2 starts, and DA2 starts with the destruction of Lothering, its near the beginning of DAO.  DAO takes 1 year.  So Varric is being questioned 9 years after DAO ends.  You do the DR, and conceive the OGB, at the end of DAO. 

So, 9 years minus 9 months of gestation equals an 8 year old OBG at the end of DA2.

[TheBlackBaron]

TJPags wrote...

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

Let us all also remember that one of the biggest loose threads from Origins, the so-called "Demon Baby", will be about 15-16 years of age when the Seeker starts questioning Varric. Old enough to actually start something (and even if the baby wasn't created, Morrigan hints at another option)....

And such war between Templars and Mages would be an absolute godsend for Morrigan. Maybe Hawke will have to choose wether to help Morrigan, or fight her?

No, actually the OGB would be about 8 or 9.

Since Varric is being questioned 10 years after DA2 starts, and DA2 starts with the destruction of Lothering, its near the beginning of DAO.  DAO takes 1 year.  So Varric is being questioned 9 years after DAO ends.  You do the DR, and conceive the OGB, at the end of DAO. 

So, 9 years minus 9 months of gestation equals an 8 year old OBG at the end of DA2.

I get the feeling they're going to want to bring the OGB back into the storyline in DA3, in a main role (which also means there's retcons on the horizon). So it's a reasonable guess that they'll set it shortly (no more than one or two years) after Varric's questioning and handwave in something about time dilation in mirror world; two years in is one year out or whatever. 

[LobselVith8]

TJPags wrote...

Was Hawke a hero? I didn't get hero vibe at all.

I understand what you mean, but the story did tact on the label to Hawke. The mages consider Hawke a hero if he sided with the Kirkwall Circle, and I'd assume the templars would see Hawke as a hero if he helped purge the Gallows. Whether it's warranted or not is certainly an issue of debate (and I do wish we had more agency over Hawke as a character), but I can see where Hawke's story can continue past the rags to riches story because one side of the conflict does view the Champion as the hero of their faction.

TJPags wrote...

The Circle was victorious?  At the end of the game, after siding with the Mages and killing Meredith, the courtyward was FULL of Templars, led by Cullen.  I mean, FULL of Templars.  They let Hawke walk away - but didn't look like they were letting anyone follow.

I'm not so sure the Circle was victorious there.

Varric does mention there were many survivors, so I'd wager some mages did survive. It doesn't seem like there was a clear victor in the conflict, though, although the mages in the other Circles did break free from the Chantry after the survivors told them what happened in the Gallows. Why the templars also broke free from the Chantry is something I'm curious about, and the Seekers seem to be hunting the mages down (based on Varric's dialogue to Cassandra in the end).

Modifié par LobselVith8, 25 mars 2011 - 07:20 .

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

DLC: Origins 2 = Win
Expansion: Origins 2 = Epic Win

[Rhayth]

TJPags wrote...

Finish Hawke's story . . . how, exactly?

Don't get me wrong, I also felt a sense of "I didn't actually do anything in this game, did I?" at the end.

I just don't know about "Hawke's story". You mean what goes on after Kirkwall? I'm not sure that makes sense - Hawke was famous for being the Champion of Kirkwall . . . and however unfullfilling it was, we got that story, and it's over.

Can you elaborate on what you're looking for from "Hawke's story"?

Wow I can really agree with this...if thats what he is known for kinda makes me hopeful for the next game of having another different protagonist...i'm not opposed to that

[Gerrium]

The narating ending was pretty vague, everyone just went on their seperate ways??? it felt empty, why did they leave? after all they went through... something tells me Varric was Iying. Aniways, this dlc business is really annoying. I get half a product and when Im done I can get dlcs that finish the story...really? talk about respect to the players.

I dont buy dlc aniways, If DA 3 comes out it would be a thedas wide story, how they are going to orgnize the plot? I dont know, but they have many problems. The magi uprising is one, the increasing threat from Orlais and whatever secret mission the wardens are doing(which seems pretty serious) 3rd.

Hawks story is done as far as kirkwall is concerned, he became viscount or just a rogue champion, he ends leaving and persued by this new post chantry faction. I liked the fact that the templars disbanded and some knew chantry order began which is the one of the seeker, the eye in the sun.

[dewayne31]

I think varric lying bout more then just the end. some the event just don't add up. now that i sat and thought bout it

[Gerrium]

hmm maybe

[GeorgeZip]

I think Hawkes cousin Charade will be in the next one. She can fill in details of Hawke's life after Kirkwall and is new enough to be part of the next story.