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[Masako52]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

Kaynos1972 wrote...

I was shocked when he kissed my male Hawke when i was just trying to be friend with him and was truely mad when i saw what he did at the end of the game. But i could'nt get myself to kill him.

He only kisses you if you make the Flirtation options (which are clearly marked with the heart). You still have your options of Diplomatic, Charming and Aggressive, which are non-romantic.

And seriously, same-gender kissing? Not a bad thing. Just break off the romance and move on.

well I'd say its a bad thing if you don't want it . But anyway respect that your gay/lesbian(if your a chick), but you need to chill whenever some people say gay or mention that as a problem regarding anders, you'll feel a lot less annoyed with these forums if you do. Personally I don't like that hes a sociopath I would understand him being gay/bi if he actually showed signs of that in awakening.

It's hard to not feel annoyed when men are attacking people like me for being what we are. As being both gay and a woman, I'm often underrepresented in any kind of media. But if you're uncomfortable with being hit on by men - think about how uncomfortable I am being hit on by men! But that's "okay" because it's straight? No... if men feel uncomfortable getting hit on by guys, maybe they can even slightly understand what women go through every day.

But seriously... it's just romance. Dragon Age is a game with some really mature stuff, without spoiling for the second one, the first one had rape, cannibalism, bloody murder, children dying, torture, etc. And a same-sex kiss between two consenting adults is what bothers people (men)? Honestly, all I hear is straight male gamers going "waaah, we're so oppressed! blah blah blah blah blah... etc." Yes, I feel so bad for you.... lol

[Masako52]

Kaynos1972 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

Kaynos1972 wrote...

I was shocked when he kissed my male Hawke when i was just trying to be friend with him and was truely mad when i saw what he did at the end of the game. But i could'nt get myself to kill him.

He only kisses you if you make the Flirtation options (which are clearly marked with the heart). You still have your options of Diplomatic, Charming and Aggressive, which are non-romantic.

And seriously, same-gender kissing? Not a bad thing. Just break off the romance and move on.

I dont have a problem with 2 chicks kissing each other but 2 man ... ewwww.. ...

Your loss! I think two men kissing is very hot, and my man!Hawke was, as Isabela would say, "steering the ship" of Fenris. With vigor!

[PlumPaul93]

Masako52 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

Kaynos1972 wrote...

I was shocked when he kissed my male Hawke when i was just trying to be friend with him and was truely mad when i saw what he did at the end of the game. But i could'nt get myself to kill him.

He only kisses you if you make the Flirtation options (which are clearly marked with the heart). You still have your options of Diplomatic, Charming and Aggressive, which are non-romantic.

And seriously, same-gender kissing? Not a bad thing. Just break off the romance and move on.

well I'd say its a bad thing if you don't want it . But anyway respect that your gay/lesbian(if your a chick), but you need to chill whenever some people say gay or mention that as a problem regarding anders, you'll feel a lot less annoyed with these forums if you do. Personally I don't like that hes a sociopath I would understand him being gay/bi if he actually showed signs of that in awakening.

It's hard to not feel annoyed when men are attacking people like me for being what we are. As being both gay and a woman, I'm often underrepresented in any kind of media. But if you're uncomfortable with being hit on by men - think about how uncomfortable I am being hit on by men! But that's "okay" because it's straight? No... if men feel uncomfortable getting hit on by guys, maybe they can even slightly understand what women go through every day.

But seriously... it's just romance. Dragon Age is a game with some really mature stuff, without spoiling for the second one, the first one had rape, cannibalism, bloody murder, children dying, torture, etc. And a same-sex kiss between two consenting adults is what bothers people (men)? Honestly, all I hear is straight male gamers going "waaah, we're so oppressed! blah blah blah blah blah... etc." Yes, I feel so bad for you.... lol

From the threads I have read with your posts in it I have seen none of this (at the very least from me), I'm gonna leave it at that and say get the chip of your shoulder. Good Day.

[PsychoBlonde]

EDarkness wrote...

This was my issue with Anders. He was cool as hell in Awakening. I hated his guts in DA2. Such a drastic character change and not for the better, in my opinion.

I didn't really like either Anders incarnation, so meh.  I really thought his voice acting was bad in DA2 though, he always sounded like he had blocked sinuses, so I was like, dude, get some Claritin and some Kleenex and come back when you can emote.

[Masako52]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

Kaynos1972 wrote...

I was shocked when he kissed my male Hawke when i was just trying to be friend with him and was truely mad when i saw what he did at the end of the game. But i could'nt get myself to kill him.

He only kisses you if you make the Flirtation options (which are clearly marked with the heart). You still have your options of Diplomatic, Charming and Aggressive, which are non-romantic.

And seriously, same-gender kissing? Not a bad thing. Just break off the romance and move on.

well I'd say its a bad thing if you don't want it . But anyway respect that your gay/lesbian(if your a chick), but you need to chill whenever some people say gay or mention that as a problem regarding anders, you'll feel a lot less annoyed with these forums if you do. Personally I don't like that hes a sociopath I would understand him being gay/bi if he actually showed signs of that in awakening.

It's hard to not feel annoyed when men are attacking people like me for being what we are. As being both gay and a woman, I'm often underrepresented in any kind of media. But if you're uncomfortable with being hit on by men - think about how uncomfortable I am being hit on by men! But that's "okay" because it's straight? No... if men feel uncomfortable getting hit on by guys, maybe they can even slightly understand what women go through every day.

But seriously... it's just romance. Dragon Age is a game with some really mature stuff, without spoiling for the second one, the first one had rape, cannibalism, bloody murder, children dying, torture, etc. And a same-sex kiss between two consenting adults is what bothers people (men)? Honestly, all I hear is straight male gamers going "waaah, we're so oppressed! blah blah blah blah blah... etc." Yes, I feel so bad for you.... lol

From the threads I have read with your posts in it I have seen none of this (at the very least from me), I'm gonna leave it at that and say get the chip of your shoulder. Good Day.

Really! You've seen no one say "eww, gay kisses" or "I was TOTALLY uncomfortable when the guy hit on me" or "I wish there had been an option to filter out the gay content" or "why did they change Anders and make him GAY" or "Shame on Gaider for not paying attention to Straight Male Gamers!"... etc. That's in every single thread! Seriously, just try looking at this from a gay person's point of view, and you'll see how these boards are reeking with striaght male privilege. 

[PlumPaul93]

Masako52 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

Kaynos1972 wrote...

I was shocked when he kissed my male Hawke when i was just trying to be friend with him and was truely mad when i saw what he did at the end of the game. But i could'nt get myself to kill him.

He only kisses you if you make the Flirtation options (which are clearly marked with the heart). You still have your options of Diplomatic, Charming and Aggressive, which are non-romantic.

And seriously, same-gender kissing? Not a bad thing. Just break off the romance and move on.

well I'd say its a bad thing if you don't want it . But anyway respect that your gay/lesbian(if your a chick), but you need to chill whenever some people say gay or mention that as a problem regarding anders, you'll feel a lot less annoyed with these forums if you do. Personally I don't like that hes a sociopath I would understand him being gay/bi if he actually showed signs of that in awakening.

It's hard to not feel annoyed when men are attacking people like me for being what we are. As being both gay and a woman, I'm often underrepresented in any kind of media. But if you're uncomfortable with being hit on by men - think about how uncomfortable I am being hit on by men! But that's "okay" because it's straight? No... if men feel uncomfortable getting hit on by guys, maybe they can even slightly understand what women go through every day.

But seriously... it's just romance. Dragon Age is a game with some really mature stuff, without spoiling for the second one, the first one had rape, cannibalism, bloody murder, children dying, torture, etc. And a same-sex kiss between two consenting adults is what bothers people (men)? Honestly, all I hear is straight male gamers going "waaah, we're so oppressed! blah blah blah blah blah... etc." Yes, I feel so bad for you.... lol

From the threads I have read with your posts in it I have seen none of this (at the very least from me), I'm gonna leave it at that and say get the chip of your shoulder. Good Day.

Really! You've seen no one say "eww, gay kisses" or "I was TOTALLY uncomfortable when the guy hit on me" or "I wish there had been an option to filter out the gay content" or "why did they change Anders and make him GAY" or "Shame on Gaider for not paying attention to Straight Male Gamers!"... etc. That's in every single thread! Seriously, just try looking at this from a gay person's point of view, and you'll see how these boards are reeking with striaght male privilege. 

Yes I understand this but being hostile to every straight male on the forums isn't healthy

[X-Frame]

I killed Anders when given the choice. What an idiot, and someone so dumb shouldn't be allowed to procreate.

"Hey .. man, I got beef with you .. so imma go blow up the church. O'doyle rules!"

Seriously dude? He'll get a knife in the back every time.


Awakening Anders was 100000% better.

[Masako52]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

Kaynos1972 wrote...

I was shocked when he kissed my male Hawke when i was just trying to be friend with him and was truely mad when i saw what he did at the end of the game. But i could'nt get myself to kill him.

He only kisses you if you make the Flirtation options (which are clearly marked with the heart). You still have your options of Diplomatic, Charming and Aggressive, which are non-romantic.

And seriously, same-gender kissing? Not a bad thing. Just break off the romance and move on.

well I'd say its a bad thing if you don't want it . But anyway respect that your gay/lesbian(if your a chick), but you need to chill whenever some people say gay or mention that as a problem regarding anders, you'll feel a lot less annoyed with these forums if you do. Personally I don't like that hes a sociopath I would understand him being gay/bi if he actually showed signs of that in awakening.

It's hard to not feel annoyed when men are attacking people like me for being what we are. As being both gay and a woman, I'm often underrepresented in any kind of media. But if you're uncomfortable with being hit on by men - think about how uncomfortable I am being hit on by men! But that's "okay" because it's straight? No... if men feel uncomfortable getting hit on by guys, maybe they can even slightly understand what women go through every day.

But seriously... it's just romance. Dragon Age is a game with some really mature stuff, without spoiling for the second one, the first one had rape, cannibalism, bloody murder, children dying, torture, etc. And a same-sex kiss between two consenting adults is what bothers people (men)? Honestly, all I hear is straight male gamers going "waaah, we're so oppressed! blah blah blah blah blah... etc." Yes, I feel so bad for you.... lol

From the threads I have read with your posts in it I have seen none of this (at the very least from me), I'm gonna leave it at that and say get the chip of your shoulder. Good Day.

Really! You've seen no one say "eww, gay kisses" or "I was TOTALLY uncomfortable when the guy hit on me" or "I wish there had been an option to filter out the gay content" or "why did they change Anders and make him GAY" or "Shame on Gaider for not paying attention to Straight Male Gamers!"... etc. That's in every single thread! Seriously, just try looking at this from a gay person's point of view, and you'll see how these boards are reeking with striaght male privilege. 

Yes I understand this but being hostile to every straight male on the forums isn't healthy

I certainly don't intend to lump all straight men together. But I almost guarantee that all the homophobic comments on these forums are from straight males. In particular, straight males who believe that the video game industry revolves solely around them! But I also know for a fact that there are many straight males who are very supportive of the DA series for being gay friendly, and even straight males who like playing as gay characters, or at very least don't feel like their sexuality is being threatened by it. And I give total props to guys like these.

[-Skorpious-]

I just wished Anders didn't throw himself at Hawke after just one sidequest with him. Hell, we barely even spoke before/during his quest, so I am baffled as to where his spontaneous feelings of love came from.

Anders attempt to hit on Hawke should have occurred at the end of act 1 or early in act 2; not immediately after meeting him.

[XiNAVRO]

Anders complaining about the chantry was understandable (not that I enjoyed his new character, but it seemed right for what he had gone through) but the sudden change of Justice was... meh. Perhaps the concept was to show that no spirits are truly good to foreshadow what would happen in Merrill's quest, but wasn't the whole point of Justice's character in DA:A that spirits are different from demons?

All in all, the most ridiculous thing that Anders had done was blowing up the chantry. Why not plant that bomb underneath Meredith's room, or if circumstances keep him away from Meredith then tie it to her Tranquil assistant and then send her as a human bomb, I will never understand. Instead of the core of the problem, Meredith, he just had to kill the ONE person in Kirkwall who was reasonable enough to listen to both sides and tolerate with the outcomes. Not to mention that the Grand Cleric was also capable of dodging political issues if the need arises (death of Petrice).

Modifié par XiNAVRO, 27 mars 2011 - 06:30 .

[AngelicMachinery]

XiNAVRO wrote...

Anders complaining about the chantry was understandable (not that I enjoyed his new character, but it seemed right for what he had gone through) but the sudden change of Justice was... meh. Perhaps the concept was to show that no spirits are truly good to foreshadow what would happen in Merrill's quest, but wasn't the whole point of Justice's character in DA:A that spirits are different from demons?

All in all, the most ridiculous thing that Anders had done was blowing up the chantry. Why not plant that bomb underneath Meredith's room, or if circumstances keep him away from Meredith then tie it to her Tranquil assistant and then send her as a human bomb, I will never understand. Instead of the core of the problem, Meredith, he just had to kill the ONE person in Kirkwall who was reasonable enough to listen to both sides and tolerate with the outcomes. Not to mention that the Grand Cleric was also capable of dodging political issues if the need arises (death of Petrice).

His intention wasn't to kill someone,  he wanted to start a war between mages and templars.  Just blowing up the Knight Commander wouldn't have accomplished this,  so,  he needed to do something big and grand to ****** of the templars enough to invoke the right of annulment.

[Stinkface27]

Normal people will always have a hard time understanding or relating to zealots.

Coming out of Awakenings, if you are expecting normal Anders and you get zealot Anders, I can see why you may hate him. But Awakenings Anders was not possessed by a Fade spirit. Merging with Justice turned Anders inside out, he doesn't live with apology anymore and naturally that is not easy for normal people to get.

Not all Christians identify with the Westboro Baptist Church, not all Muslims identify with the Taliban, not all white people identify with the KKK, not all vegetarians identify with PETA - these people are extremists and their ideals are mostly unfathomable for the average person.

You have to realize that Anders isn't Anders anymore, he is a human living as a spirit of an ideal; he is unknowable, he is unrelatable. Once you can accept that that's how he is now, you can enjoy him more and savor his more human moments in game.

As far as his sexuality goes, he never specifically said he was straight. And like I mentioned before, he lives without apology now. Why, if he is so unashamed of his beliefs regarding mages, would he then be a coward about his feelings regarding sexuality? You want this super passionate, opinionated character to also be a closeted bisexual? I'm glad somebody else is doing the writing...

[SkyyPlum]

David Gaider wrote...

MyKingdomCold wrote...
Plus, unless I'm mistaken you couldn't romance him or anyone in Awakening. He may have said he likes women in Awakening, but that doesn't mean he isn't bisexual. Or maybe Justice made him bisexual.

As stated, nobody could romance him in Awakening. He expressed an interest in women, yes, but as far as I know that doesn't preclude someone being bisexual-- though in neither game does he express a preference. Whatever someone chooses to perceive him as is up to them.

As for the other changes, we certainly did change his voice actor. The fact that he is no longer the same character, however, is because people change-- and he, in particular, has been through a lot since joining with Justice. He always had that streak of hatred towards the Circle. He just felt powerless to do anything about it.

If someone doesn't like the direction we take a character, however-- oh well. Wouldn't be the first time.

 
If you care at all about your consumers you wouldn't say something like Oh well. Wouldn't be the first time with a smile.  Anders was clearly a straight male in Awakening  but in 2 he hit on my male Hawke frequently and it was annoying.  Most of the characters were a downgrade though but I guess Bioware would just say that they like em so we don't care what you think.  Pretty much been the norm from their answers and interviews.  Like the small city of Kirkwall and copy and pasted caves; their answer was they wanted to focus on the story more.  This story sucked compared to Origins and it was because the characters were not as well written or voice acted and that definitely goes for Anders. Did a whole new team work on 2?  It felt that way to me. Or did EA rush you?

[The Cannibal Factory]

David Gaider wrote...

As stated, nobody could romance him in Awakening. He expressed an interest in women, yes, but as far as I know that doesn't preclude someone being bisexual-- though in neither game does he express a preference. Whatever someone chooses to perceive him as is up to them.

As for the other changes, we certainly did change his voice actor. The fact that he is no longer the same character, however, is because people change-- and he, in particular, has been through a lot since joining with Justice. He always had that streak of hatred towards the Circle. He just felt powerless to do anything about it.

If someone doesn't like the direction we take a character, however-- oh well. Wouldn't be the first time.

I couldn't care less about whether he became gay, straight or discovered a crush on smurfs. Wish everyone would stop going on about it ad infinitem. The thing I just have to comment on is the change of voice actor.

His original voice was just excellent, and it was torturous to listen to the pale imitation he got this time around (no offence to the VOA, I'm sure it was for plot reasons), especially with Cullen flitting in and out. It would have been so much more interesting to have his original voice with a new, darker edge (Justice's too - with a demonic Vengeance tone). If there was any mistake with regards to the treatment of Anders in DA2, that was it in my opinion. Otherwise, it was a great idea to merge him with Justice and play on the fallout from that.

Anyway, y'all can go back to boring sexuality debate thread #48990 now

[In Exile]

tmp7704 wrote...
When the sequence of the Chantry nuke about to go off was playing i was sitting there numb and kinda thinking in small letters "but i thought you just went there to steal something. like a finger bone of some dead prophet. or some holy water maybe. not. that. what. the. ****. anders.'

in this sense i suppose the writing was HUGE SUCCESS.

I was 100% sure he was going to terror bomb the Chantry. I just thought it would be smaller scale and it would have been right then. I only helped him out because I wanted to see that outcome. But then suddenly nothing happened so I just forgot about it.

What a way to go...

[TheRealJayDee]

Lady Vengeance wrote...

I couldn't care less about whether he became gay, straight or discovered a crush on smurfs. Wish everyone would stop going on about it ad infinitem. The thing I just have to comment on is the change of voice actor.

His original voice was just excellent, and it was torturous to listen to the pale imitation he got this time around (no offence to the VOA, I'm sure it was for plot reasons), especially with Cullen flitting in and out. It would have been so much more interesting to have his original voice with a new, darker edge (Justice's too - with a demonic Vengeance tone). If there was any mistake with regards to the treatment of Anders in DA2, that was it in my opinion. Otherwise, it was a great idea to merge him with Justice and play on the fallout from that.

Anyway, y'all can go back to boring sexuality debate thread #48990 now

My feelings exactly. If Greg Ellis had reprised the role it might have been a great experience for me to witness Anders change from the tongue-in-cheek renegade circle mage (with all the implied bitterness) he was in Awakening to the hateful, uncompromising extremist he became in DA2. A nice little challenge for this experienced (voice) actor, one would think. Especially in a game that already features some major changes and redesigns, keeping the original VA for the only major companion directly transfered from the previous game seems so neccessary for the sake of some kind of continuity that it should go without saying. Without the original VA it really should have just been a new character.

As it is now I couldn't bring myself to ever take that not-Anders person with me, and I probably never will. Because the character is so extremely disconnected from the Awakening Anders due to the combination of VA and personality changes that he just feels wrong to me. Maybe I am overly sensitive about the whole voice thing, but practically not being able to interact with what is probably the single most important character in the game because of a seemingly unneccessary change of a VA really bothers me.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 27 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[Relshar]

David Gaider wrote...

MyKingdomCold wrote...
Plus, unless I'm mistaken you couldn't romance him or anyone in Awakening. He may have said he likes women in Awakening, but that doesn't mean he isn't bisexual. Or maybe Justice made him bisexual.

As stated, nobody could romance him in Awakening. He expressed an interest in women, yes, but as far as I know that doesn't preclude someone being bisexual-- though in neither game does he express a preference. Whatever someone chooses to perceive him as is up to them.

As for the other changes, we certainly did change his voice actor. The fact that he is no longer the same character, however, is because people change-- and he, in particular, has been through a lot since joining with Justice. He always had that streak of hatred towards the Circle. He just felt powerless to do anything about it.

If someone doesn't like the direction we take a character, however-- oh well. Wouldn't be the first time.

Just a character ?
What about the whole game ? Its crap.

[NedPepper]

Kaynos1972 wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

Kaynos1972 wrote...

I was shocked when he kissed my male Hawke when i was just trying to be friend with him and was truely mad when i saw what he did at the end of the game. But i could'nt get myself to kill him.

He only kisses you if you make the Flirtation options (which are clearly marked with the heart). You still have your options of Diplomatic, Charming and Aggressive, which are non-romantic.

And seriously, same-gender kissing? Not a bad thing. Just break off the romance and move on.

I dont have a problem with 2 chicks kissing each other but 2 man ... ewwww.. ...

The hypocrisy of the world's feeling on gays all in one post.....

Two women?  That's hot.

Two men.  That's disgusting. 

And, dude, Anders will only kiss you like that if you WANT HIM TO......it's not like there isn't a giant  button you press before he does it...

[ISpeakTheTruth]

He's not a sociopath he's an unyeilding fanatic.

He's the mage version of the Qunari. "Do what I want you to do or I'll blow you up!!!"

[Darth Krytie]

nedpepper wrote...

The hypocrisy of the world's feeling on gays all in one post.....

Two women?  That's hot.

Two men.  That's disgusting. 

And, dude, Anders will only kiss you like that if you WANT HIM TO......it's not like there isn't a giant  button you press before he does it...

Yes, it's okay to have some gay in games as long as it stands to serve straight male titilation. <_<

Anyhow, I know more than one straight guy that romanced Zevran (as a male) and Anders and Fenris (as males) and none of them are over here acting like whinging morons. It's in the game. Get over it.

I get constructive criticism and I'm not saying that Dragon Age 2 is without its faults, but I liked the game. I played it four times. I also don't expect any one game to cater to me exclusively.  (Though, it's strange to be catered to at all. Which, again, kudos Bioware)

Anders. I loved him. I loved him and he broke my heart and I couldn't bear to kill him. (And even when I want to romance someone else, he keeps dragging me back with his gorgeous broody self.)

[DA_GamerGal]

Darth Krytie wrote...

[Anders. I loved him. I loved him and he broke my heart and I couldn't bear to kill him. (And even when I want to romance someone else, he keeps dragging me back with his gorgeous broody self.)

At first I didn't know if I was going to like the "new" Anders, but the more I got into his story, the more I liked him. There's just something so tragic and sad about his character that he makes you want to help him in any way you can, even knowing that no good can come of it. I was forever being drawn to him, depsite his extreme views.
 
I really would have liked to see more cutscenes or conversations that showed the constant inner struggle Anders has with Justice and how Justice become more a spirit of Vengence, than Justice ( or maybe he just became Justice to the most extreme).

After Anders destroyed the Chantry, I was SO upset with my LI and felt SO betrayed, that I killed him! And then, of course, I hated myself ( and him) for having to do the dead. On my second play through, I played as a mage, so I ended up saving Anders and then running away with him after taking the mages side. Even knowing what Anders would do in the end, I couldn't stop myself from becoming his LI and helping him on his path of self-destruction. His character drew me in again and my Hawk loved him so much that she again put her own views aside to help his extreme way of trying to free all mages from the Circle and Chantry forever. 

[Tamyn]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Lady Vengeance wrote...

His original voice was just excellent, and it was torturous to listen to the pale imitation he got this time around (no offence to the VOA, I'm sure it was for plot reasons), especially with Cullen flitting in and out. It would have been so much more interesting to have his original voice with a new, darker edge (Justice's too - with a demonic Vengeance tone). If there was any mistake with regards to the treatment of Anders in DA2, that was it in my opinion.

My feelings exactly. If Greg Ellis had reprised the role it might have been a great experience for me to witness Anders change from the tongue-in-cheek renegade circle mage (with all the implied bitterness) he was in Awakening to the hateful, uncompromising extremist he became in DA2. A nice little challenge for this experienced (voice) actor, one would think. Especially in a game that already features some major changes and redesigns, keeping the original VA for the only major companion directly transfered from the previous game seems so neccessary for the sake of some kind of continuity that it should go without saying. Without the original VA it really should have just been a new character.

Because the character is so extremely disconnected from the Awakening Anders due to the combination of VA and personality changes that he just feels wrong to me.

This is pretty much how I feel. Having new Anders talk about cats over and over isn't enough to convince me that this is the same guy. The voice change is too jarring.

Modifié par Tamyn, 29 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[3SG Sage]

Heck, I wouldn't know about the voice change if I hand't read it in the forums. Don't care about his sexual orientation. Didn't like his characterization very much. I had a hard time squaring Anders the guy running a free clinic for refugees (non mages mainly one presumes) with a guy that suddenly decided to blow up a churrch (with non mages in it as well, citizens not much different than those he was treating for free). Multiple times he claims that he and Justice have become one, so the Justice made him do it argument doesn't sit well with me.

Mainly I think that the decision to use a "shocking" attack reminencent of real world terror attacks was made and then someone came up with the idea of using one of the DA:O companions for added shock value. Anders became the "logical" choice at that point. If an unknown person did it, we would have been left wondering if Meredith decided to remove the grand mother from obstructing her or if a mage decided to go for the head of the local chantry. Story would have worked out the same either way.

[Zing Freelancer]

Masako52 wrote...

Your loss! I think two men kissing is very hot, and my man!Hawke was, as Isabela would say, "steering the ship" of Fenris. With vigor!

This line made me laugh and cry at the same time

I guess its hard to live in our world, when family get a visit from their gay male friends or when my best friend tend to carelessly drop gay jokes during training

I guess it could always get worst, but as Sheng Wang said "If you wanna get tougher, you should loose a pair. Grow a vagina, those things can take a ponding!".

[Bmeszaros]

One thing I haven't read when re reading this thread is this.

Kelder (Elven Murderer) and Anders are essentially the same person, however, Kelder is man enough to finally accept what he's done is wrong, even from his own point of view. Although Anders takes responsibility, he never admits wrong-doing.

Both think the Circle is wrong (Kelder says they lied to him about his demons). Both are Plagued by "Demons". Both Are being protected (Kelder by his father, the magistrate and Anders by the woman at the Ferelden Refugee house).

Modifié par Bmeszaros, 03 avril 2011 - 01:24 .