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[CroGamer002]

I only do for resources( mining boring) and credits( hacking boring).

[JediNg]

I still don't 'cheat.' Sixth playthrough soon.

[GnusmasTHX]

wizardryforever wrote...
 I for one like the challenge of these mechanics (even the boring or tedious ones) because I find the game is already too easy. 

You may want to edit that post, because it sounds like you're suggesting that planet scanning, hacking and bypasses offered even the slightest amount of difficulty. Rather, they're just mind-numbingly repetitive and time consuming.

"Cheating" in Mass Effect doesn't detriment anyone, so there's nothing wrong with it. The devs intended for you to enjoy ME2... Not to go through its many flaws over and over again because you're purists. In fact some of the aforementioned mechanics have already been stated to be under revisement, and as such do not represent their final vision for Mass Effect. 

You should really look into the world of modding. ME has always been limited in mod possibilities, but to modify a game to make it more enjoyable is nothing new, nor is it reprehensible (in a SP game).

That said I haven't modified anything for ME2. I am a completionist with a little bit of OCD... So I hack, bypass and mine my way through all of my playthroughs.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 22 mars 2011 - 12:02 .

[Akizora]

I would edit to get a lot more minerals/credits but I'm afraid it will end up corrupting my save. Spending 20-30 hours in ME1 and 30-40 hours in ME2 only to have a savefile that doesn't work properly for ME3 would be annoying to say the least.

[Rurik_Niall]

To put it simply, my game, my way. I love playing renegade, I love the awesome glowing terminator eyes, but I dislike the horribly ugly scars, this isn't KotOR, I don't want my physical appearance changing so dramatically based on whether I'm a nice person. So I simply open up the coalesced, find the appropriate settings, and change it up so that the same changes occur no matter which side of the sliding scale of heroic/badass I'm on. If I play renegade the scars heal and my eyes glow, if I play paragon my scars heal and eyes glow, if I use the medbay my scars heal and eyes glow.

Similarly, I love the way the viper looks, but I hate the fact that it's an automatic weapon. I want my sniper rifles to be proper sniper rifles. So I simply go in, find the stats of both the mantis and the widow, find the middle ground between the two, and change the viper to be halfway between the two. As an added bonus Garrus and Thane don't have to be jealous of Legion and I running around killing things with our anti-tank artillery while they're stuck with boring old default equipment.

And on a save editing note, I think that it's stupid that importing game from Mass Effect I get a bonus to my renegade/paragon scores right off the bat, but in a new game plus I get all of the other bonuses from an ME1 import, get to keep my level, but my renegade/paragon scores are set to 0. So I simply fix this by giving myself the 190 bonus that I should be getting anyway.

I also am not fond of being forced to recruit my party in obligatory batches just because of the game being released on the Boxorz of Roxorz 360 either, solution? Open up gibbed, tick the appropriate flag, go recruit Tali first and foremost like I would have anyway. Save and untick the box, proceed with recruiting Garrus.

Modifié par Rurik_Niall, 22 mars 2011 - 01:11 .

[Sailears]

wizardryforever wrote...

Something that has sparked my curiousity is how many people talk about how they modified their save game or tweaked the files or something like that to do something that is essentially cheating.  Things like giving themselves resources so they get instant gratification upon finding a research project, or giving themselves tons of Paragon or Renegade so they can pass all the difficult persuasion checks.  What's the appeal?  I mean, it essentially removes a layer of the challenge that the game offers.

I get that people may dislike a mechanic within the game (like the mining), but come on, are people that fussy that they'd rather modify the game files than actually do what the devs intended?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining or trying to call people out here.  This is a single player game and everyone plays it differently, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the readiness people have to go outside of the game to address their issues with the game.

Are these mechanics so bad that the game is just unplayable without mucking about in the game's code?  I for one like the challenge of these mechanics (even the boring or tedious ones) because I find the game is already too easy.  A common response to an earnest question of many posters here is simply "use gibbed" or "modify the save files," like this is a perfectly acceptable solution and should be the first thing done.  I for one feel that these things should come as a last resort, or to fix gamebreakers.  Maybe I'm being irrational or silly, or maybe I just have a higher tolerance for tedium in my games than others, either way I would like to know why this is so common.

TL,DR: Why is modding saves and such so popular, instead of in-game solutions?

There's your answer.

Unless you are sharing videos or gameplay tactics with the community (where it is important to play properly in order to have a fair comparison), does it really matter?

I feel no sense of achievement grinding for resources (beyond the first couple of playthroughs). The people who made it are also human, which makes being a purist about the gameplay mechanics a bit silly.

Modifié par Curunen, 22 mars 2011 - 01:10 .

[aimlessgun]

wizardryforever wrote...
I suppose my point is that I hold the possibly quaint idea that the devs put everything in the game for a reason, and that that reason was at least good-intentioned.  By removing mechanics of the game, it really isn't the same game, and I could never reconcile that fact in my mind.  I would know that I had changed it, that I had altered the flow of the game, and it wouldn't sit well with me.  "But it's a game, and games are supposed to be fun!" you say, and yes they are.  But you'd be hard-pressed to find a game out there that has an even grade of fun-ness; every game has its ups and downs.  If we removed all parts of less fun in games, then the fun parts would wear out much quicker.

If this is what you know works best for you, all power to you.

But if you're just blindly assuming the devs are always right, I would suggest getting some faith in your own judgement.

I do agree with you though, that it feels a little different. Sometimes drawing the line is hard: why stop at minerals? What other tedious or unlikeable things can I eliminate? And yeah after a point it really is different and ruined (for me). Finding that balance is tricky, and I suppose playing it safe and just opting not to cheat at all is a respectable decision.

[Tarek]

cheating is boring I HATE boring

[maxut85]

javierabegazo wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I r on consoles. I haz 2 suck it up & skan.

That's nonsense Prince, I'm on the XBOX and I do all my modding easily. You should know that by now

no way ? you can do all that modding on an xbox  ? How do you do that ? 

[wizardryforever]

To anyone who may have thought I was criticizing the way they play their game, I was not.  Like I said in the OP, it is a single-player game, so how you play it does not affect me.  I just wanted to know some of the people's reasons for doing something relatively drastic over something so simple. 

Don't get me wrong, I like mods as much as the next guy, but I really don't use mods that remove something from the game.  I use mods that add something (I've heavily modded NWN2 for instance), but I never use something that removes something from the game.  I guess I have just never found something to be SO tedious and mind-numbing to actually think about removing it.  Planet-scanning?  Tolerable to enjoyable, depending on my mood.  P/R?  I like the way it works, it gives you consequences for your actions.  Mako driving?  Annoying, but I can largely skip it if I want.  So I guess I don't find enough wrong with the game to go through the trouble of modding it to make it more fun when it already is a blast.

I'm puzzled by how cavalierly people treat cheating.  Granted, nothing wrong if it's just you, but still, it is cheating.  And this does not bother you in the slightest?  Curious.  I used to cheat at certain games when I was a kid.  Usually though, these games were simply too hard for me at the time, and by cheating I could still enjoy them.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the majority of people though, and that's part of why I asked this in the first place.

[Spornicus]

I don't mod because I don't wanna mess up my Xbox 360 since I'm not the only one who uses it. I do kinda wish I could get Legion early in the game though....

Also, having Jedore or Kelly hair for my FemShep would be pretty neat.

Modifié par Spornicus, 22 mars 2011 - 04:28 .

[JPanzerj]

It's not really cheating. It's an external strategic mechanism. I never cheat on a first playthrough, or on a main character. 

LPPrince wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I r on consoles. I haz 2 suck it up & skan.

That's nonsense Prince, I'm on the XBOX and I do all my modding easily. You should know that by now

YOU ARE A HERETIC. I still love you though.(Guy love, that's all it is, guy love, he's mine I'm his, there's nothing gay about it, in our eyes)

5 approval points to the first person who recognizes that last bit.

Scrubs - "My Musical." I have all the songs on my 'phone. I'd tell more people but since i'm a dude...it doesn't go down so well.

"He's the only guy who's ever been inside of MEEEEEEE!"
"Woah, woah. I just took out his appendix."

Modifié par JPanzerj, 22 mars 2011 - 04:29 .

[Tennessee88]

Because I play these games for the story.

[RenownedRyan]

I've never cheated..

[LPPrince]

JPanzerj wrote...

It's not really cheating. It's an external strategic mechanism. I never cheat on a first playthrough, or on a main character. 

LPPrince wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I r on consoles. I haz 2 suck it up & skan.

That's nonsense Prince, I'm on the XBOX and I do all my modding easily. You should know that by now

YOU ARE A HERETIC. I still love you though.(Guy love, that's all it is, guy love, he's mine I'm his, there's nothing gay about it, in our eyes)

5 approval points to the first person who recognizes that last bit.

Scrubs - "My Musical." I have all the songs on my 'phone. I'd tell more people but since i'm a dude...it doesn't go down so well.

"He's the only guy who's ever been inside of MEEEEEEE!"
"Woah, woah. I just took out his appendix."

You are a winner in my eyes.

[Chromie]

I'm on playthrough 14. I cheated for the minerals and that's it. Oh and I changed my hair style on my femshep. We need a better way to upgrade our gear. Bring back ME1 mods but balance it this time and I don't mind upgrades from ME2 that add 10% biotic damage and such just making hunting for the resources not so dull.

[Bailyn242]

I only use Gibbed to fix the default settings so I can get the proper starting point choices from ME1. Anderson as Councillor, Conrad Verner, BdtS, Wrex, etc. You get the idea, I hate the default settings on a new game in ME2. Force me to play renegade will you? Byte me!

[Almostfaceman]

wizardryforever wrote...

I'm puzzled by how cavalierly people treat cheating.  Granted, nothing wrong if it's just you, but still, it is cheating.  And this does not bother you in the slightest?  Curious.  I used to cheat at certain games when I was a kid.  Usually though, these games were simply too hard for me at the time, and by cheating I could still enjoy them.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the majority of people though, and that's part of why I asked this in the first place.

Playing games is a cavalier experience.  Nobody considers it as serious as, say, taking a test.

With that in mind, a game's difficulty parameters are subjective.  If one gets an option to modify a game, which is already subjective, they may not feel bad about editing that game to tailor what they want - since they've bought a copy and now consider it "their" game.

P.S.  I think you are coming across as trying to have your cake and eat it too.  You claim you don't want to criticize us then in the same breath you call us cavalier cheaters.  It's odd.

[Elite Midget]

Simple.

Mining blows and the Base Game doesn't give enough credits, on its own, to purchase everything from the stores.

[Homebound]

because zaeed could wield the revenant machinegun in the dlc trailer but in the game he could not.

[Rurik_Niall]

It's just a way to make the game more enjoyable. You can spend hours mining the resources, or you can spend less than a minute with Gibbed to do it, the end result is the same either way, just one way you avoid spending hours doing something you dislike and can use that time doing things you do enjoy like watching Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani get kicked in the shin by a Volus, or watching Anderson punch out Udina. It's a game and the important thing is to have fun, not to bore yourself with exercises in tedium.

[marshalleck]

wizardryforever wrote...

Something that has sparked my curiousity is how many people talk about how they modified their save game or tweaked the files or something like that to do something that is essentially cheating.  Things like giving themselves resources so they get instant gratification upon finding a research project, or giving themselves tons of Paragon or Renegade so they can pass all the difficult persuasion checks.  What's the appeal?  I mean, it essentially removes a layer of the challenge that the game offers.

I get that people may dislike a mechanic within the game (like the mining), but come on, are people that fussy that they'd rather modify the game files than actually do what the devs intended?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining or trying to call people out here.  This is a single player game and everyone plays it differently, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the readiness people have to go outside of the game to address their issues with the game.

Are these mechanics so bad that the game is just unplayable without mucking about in the game's code?  I for one like the challenge of these mechanics (even the boring or tedious ones) because I find the game is already too easy.  A common response to an earnest question of many posters here is simply "use gibbed" or "modify the save files," like this is a perfectly acceptable solution and should be the first thing done.  I for one feel that these things should come as a last resort, or to fix gamebreakers.  Maybe I'm being irrational or silly, or maybe I just have a higher tolerance for tedium in my games than others, either way I would like to know why this is so common.

TL,DR: Why is modding saves and such so popular, instead of in-game solutions?

People who aren't me play their games in ways I don't. How utterly baffling!

[Pumpeho]

I dont see it as cheating. Its more tweaking the game to your liking and I wish Bioware would give us more possibilities to mod and tweak the game (oh, and a mission creator, please please PLEASE!). F.ex. I found Insanity too easy so I modded in rechargable shields and increased the health of enemies.