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[Evil_Weasel]

Elite Midget wrote...

Simple.

Mining blows and the Base Game doesn't give enough credits, on its own, to purchase everything from the stores.

Mining does blow. I do think the base game gives enough money to buy everything though. It does not give it to you fast enough to buy everything as fast as you find it, you may have to return later after you make some money. Also you will have to do the appropriate discount related task associated with each vendor. Yes, you can get a discount at each vendor, and if you do that, you can buy everything as I recall.

Some vendors need Paragade options to get a discount, some need replacement parts for vehicles, some need you to help them sort out their feelings with their Krogen boyfriend, some need to be .......etc. Do all the appropriate task and each vendor gives a disscount.

Also, there are things you can stumble on while planet scaning that can give extra cash, and if you hate mining enough to not do it more than nessicary then you may not be finding these little disstractions and the extra cash they give.

[LPPrince]

Technically, the game lets you make infinite credits.

Its just that it would take FOREVER.

Goddamn betting on Urz.

[Influ]

I wouldn't cheat in any way on my first playthrough in any game. But after multiple playthroughs some aspects of almost any game will get boring, repetitive or plain annoying. Overall I love Mass Effect 2 and keep playing it over and over again. I however don't feel the need to put up with the less engaging portions of the game, like mining (which I have never like) or hacking/bypassing every single terminal and wallsafe every damn playthough, if I have options. Mining does not provide any amount of challenge to the game, it's not fun and it only takes time.

[Savber100]

In my first playthrough, I avoid cheats to experience the game in the purest form. However, after multiple playthroughs, plenty of areas just end up feeling tedious.

In sort, I have a life and I don't have all time in the world to play every little detail and tedious section just for my amusement.

[JKoopman]

There's no "challenge" involved in mining resources in ME2 or in working the wonky Paragon/Renegade=Charisma system. It's just tedious and restrictive, so why shouldn't people take any workaround they can get?

I gave myself 500,000 of every resource with Gibbed's Save Editor because having to mine for resources between each mission was like being forced to jab myself in the eye with a needle repeatedly. I'd rather skip the pain and jump right to the fun, thank you. And the retarded way that ME2 links your Paragon/Renegade score with your ability to be persuasive does nothing bu limit your ability to role-play. If giving myself 1200 points in both gives me the ability to actually play a believable person rather than a one-dimensional walking cliche, I'm all for it.

Both "cheats" simply remove the tedium and frustration and allow you to get right down to the fun, and they don't remove anything by way of actual challenge. It's just like trimming the gristle off a prime cut of meat.

[ArcanistLibram]

"What would James T. Kirk do?"

[Rurik_Niall]

Get an appointment with Sha'ira and then get in a fist fight with a Krogan in which he somehow loses his shirt.

[wizardryforever]

marshalleck wrote...

People who aren't me play their games in ways I don't. How utterly baffling!

Seriously, how many times do I have to say that I understand that people play the game differently?  I know that people play it differently, what I'm wondering is why.  

For the record, tedium is a challenge, just not in the way most people think.  Tedium challenges your patience (something that we could all use more of, myself included) and your tolerance.  Note that that is not an argument in favor of tedium, just something I felt like pointing out.

Mostly, people's answers are "I mod/cheat because it's fun," or "I mod/cheat because it is not fun if I don't."  I was kinda hoping for some more indepth answers, though maybe it really is that simple.  This sounds like a good scientific study.

[KhaysunDei]

Obviously, cheating will remove a significant amount of challenge but you have to think of how many times the cheaters have already played the game. 
People should at least play the game on a certain difficulty level at first, and if they can't... well that's just pitiful.
But after they've played it for a while, that's when they can cheat to add more interest to the game, don't you agree?

[Kandid001]

wizardryforever wrote...


I get that people may dislike a mechanic within the game (like the mining), but come on, are people that fussy that they'd rather modify the game files than actually do what the devs intended?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining or trying to call people out here.  This is a single player game and everyone plays it differently, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the readiness people have to go outside of the game to address their issues with the game.

TL,DR: Why is modding saves and such so popular, instead of in-game solutions?

Because we can. Deal with it.

[aimlessgun]

wizardryforever wrote...

To anyone who may have thought I was criticizing the way they play their game, I was not.  Like I said in the OP, it is a single-player game, so how you play it does not affect me.  I just wanted to know some of the people's reasons for doing something relatively drastic over something so simple. 

Don't get me wrong, I like mods as much as the next guy, but I really don't use mods that remove something from the game.  I use mods that add something (I've heavily modded NWN2 for instance), but I never use something that removes something from the game.  I guess I have just never found something to be SO tedious and mind-numbing to actually think about removing it.  Planet-scanning?  Tolerable to enjoyable, depending on my mood.  P/R?  I like the way it works, it gives you consequences for your actions.  Mako driving?  Annoying, but I can largely skip it if I want.  So I guess I don't find enough wrong with the game to go through the trouble of modding it to make it more fun when it already is a blast.

I'm puzzled by how cavalierly people treat cheating.  Granted, nothing wrong if it's just you, but still, it is cheating.  And this does not bother you in the slightest?  Curious.  I used to cheat at certain games when I was a kid.  Usually though, these games were simply too hard for me at the time, and by cheating I could still enjoy them.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the majority of people though, and that's part of why I asked this in the first place.

You say you're not criticizing, and maybe it's not your intent, but you are. Your whole tone reeks of some imagined moral superiority. You're acting puzzled that people don't understand this oh so obvious sacred position held by an unmodified game, like it's some pure abstract truth we're failing to see by some defect of ours.

As for the tedium topic, I'll go one better on the holier than thou attititude: if you're wasting time testing your patience on tedium in a videogame as opposed to testing your patience doing charity work or otherwise making the world a better place, I find that....curious.

EDIT: It's fine if you want to argue btw. Just don't try to say you're merely asking a question and completely understand other positions etc...and then passive aggressively argue anyways.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 22 mars 2011 - 09:19 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

Cheating is playing smarter, not harder.

Seriously though, you've gotten your answers (And even answered it yourself). We cheat to make the game more enjoyable. Just like you did back in the day. How is this some giant mystery? Were you expecting something along the lines of "I cheat because I am a black-hearted fiend who cares naught for the hard work of the innocent developers and want only instant gratification in all things"? 'Cause that's kinda what it sounds like you were expecting.

Some cheats just make the game more fun. Some cheats are designed to get around the stupidly draconian mechanics that were coded into the game. And some cheats are just for the lulz. Why would you imagine there's any deeper reason than "because it's fun"? Isn't that what games are supposed to be about?

[Elvis_Mazur]

For the same reason behind the fact that I don't play soccer games: we seek what pleases us more, what makes us feel better

And we also try to avoid anything that's bad to us.

Students often try to choose their course in a university based on their tastes, future money, etc.

If deleting or avoiding certain parts of the game make it more entertaining, people will, probably, do it.

[Goose4291]

Bailyn242 wrote...

I only use Gibbed to fix the default settings so I can get the proper starting point choices from ME1. Anderson as Councillor, Conrad Verner, BdtS, Wrex, etc. You get the idea, I hate the default settings on a new game in ME2. Force me to play renegade will you? Byte me!

I'm with you on that. I played the first one to death (Well over 200 hours of gaming at least I think) and I didn't want to have to go back and replay number one for the 9th time just to get some slight different variables.

[Ty2011]

I've never modded so I can't say for myself. But if I was to mod it would only be things like appearance. It's lazy to give yourself things that you're supposed to earn. Although I do see the appeal to eliminate mining. It does get boring.

[neon skink]

I used modded files after about 4 playthroughs. I really wanted experience more missions with Legion on my squad - and hear the extra dialogue thats in the game that I would have not had access to if still playing vanilla.

plus not having to mine mine mine on each and every playthrough., as many have mentioned

[Gentleman Moogle]

Goose4291 wrote...

Bailyn242 wrote...

I only use Gibbed to fix the default settings so I can get the proper starting point choices from ME1. Anderson as Councillor, Conrad Verner, BdtS, Wrex, etc. You get the idea, I hate the default settings on a new game in ME2. Force me to play renegade will you? Byte me!

I'm with you on that. I played the first one to death (Well over 200 hours of gaming at least I think) and I didn't want to have to go back and replay number one for the 9th time just to get some slight different variables.

.........

I can't believe that it didn't occur to me until just now to do that. 

Here, have this coupon for one free internet with purchase of an internet of equal or greater value. 

[Demonhoopa]

Almostfaceman wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Something that has sparked my curiousity is how many people talk about how they modified their save game or tweaked the files or something like that to do something that is essentially cheating.  Things like giving themselves resources so they get instant gratification upon finding a research project, or giving themselves tons of Paragon or Renegade so they can pass all the difficult persuasion checks.  What's the appeal?  I mean, it essentially removes a layer of the challenge that the game offers.

I get that people may dislike a mechanic within the game (like the mining), but come on, are people that fussy that they'd rather modify the game files than actually do what the devs intended?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining or trying to call people out here.  This is a single player game and everyone plays it differently, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the readiness people have to go outside of the game to address their issues with the game.

Are these mechanics so bad that the game is just unplayable without mucking about in the game's code?  I for one like the challenge of these mechanics (even the boring or tedious ones) because I find the game is already too easy.  A common response to an earnest question of many posters here is simply "use gibbed" or "modify the save files," like this is a perfectly acceptable solution and should be the first thing done.  I for one feel that these things should come as a last resort, or to fix gamebreakers.  Maybe I'm being irrational or silly, or maybe I just have a higher tolerance for tedium in my games than others, either way I would like to know why this is so common.

TL,DR: Why is modding saves and such so popular, instead of in-game solutions?

There are cheats out there for just about every video game ever made.  Cheating in Mass Effect 2 is not a unique experience.  It's common, period.

True and I've used cheats in games like Mercenaries and Saints Row after beating it once. However, I must admit it has never occured to me to cheat in an RPG. Probably never will.

[diskoh]

Ty2011 wrote...

I've never modded so I can't say for myself. But if I was to mod it would only be things like appearance. It's lazy to give yourself things that you're supposed to earn. Although I do see the appeal to eliminate mining. It does get boring.

Lazy? It's a video game, not a marathon. You're already sitting on your ass playing it in the first place.

[Stupidus]

Who cares if people want to mod or cheat in a single player game? You're free to do as you like imo as long as it doesn't ruin the gameplay of others.

[Lolomlas]

I only use cheats if I see no other option, or I just wanna have fun and destroy everything I see.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I see the appeal of it for the PC gamers... as I've gotten a taste for it with the gibbed save editor! (MOAR OF THESE FOR 360 GAMES PLEASE!!!!!) ...
- I can now have my FemShep have Ashley lips and different hairstyles (face it, the hairstyles in both ME games suck!)
- I don't have to spend hours scanning when I could be enjoying the missions and combat

- I can do a speed run of ME1 and not have to grind to do all the side quests for choices that I want imported into ME2 and ME3... I can just click the box...

It really is a "godsend". XD

[wizardryforever]

aimlessgun wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

To anyone who may have thought I was criticizing the way they play their game, I was not.  Like I said in the OP, it is a single-player game, so how you play it does not affect me.  I just wanted to know some of the people's reasons for doing something relatively drastic over something so simple. 

Don't get me wrong, I like mods as much as the next guy, but I really don't use mods that remove something from the game.  I use mods that add something (I've heavily modded NWN2 for instance), but I never use something that removes something from the game.  I guess I have just never found something to be SO tedious and mind-numbing to actually think about removing it.  Planet-scanning?  Tolerable to enjoyable, depending on my mood.  P/R?  I like the way it works, it gives you consequences for your actions.  Mako driving?  Annoying, but I can largely skip it if I want.  So I guess I don't find enough wrong with the game to go through the trouble of modding it to make it more fun when it already is a blast.

I'm puzzled by how cavalierly people treat cheating.  Granted, nothing wrong if it's just you, but still, it is cheating.  And this does not bother you in the slightest?  Curious.  I used to cheat at certain games when I was a kid.  Usually though, these games were simply too hard for me at the time, and by cheating I could still enjoy them.  That doesn't seem to be the case with the majority of people though, and that's part of why I asked this in the first place.

You say you're not criticizing, and maybe it's not your intent, but you are. Your whole tone reeks of some imagined moral superiority. You're acting puzzled that people don't understand this oh so obvious sacred position held by an unmodified game, like it's some pure abstract truth we're failing to see by some defect of ours.

As for the tedium topic, I'll go one better on the holier than thou attititude: if you're wasting time testing your patience on tedium in a videogame as opposed to testing your patience doing charity work or otherwise making the world a better place, I find that....curious.

EDIT: It's fine if you want to argue btw. Just don't try to say you're merely asking a question and completely understand other positions etc...and then passive aggressively argue anyways.

Why is it that everytime I ask a simple question around here, everyone takes personal offense?  Did I insult your mother or something?  Crimedy!  In any case, I asked a question, and I expressed my own view on the subject.  Never once did I try to insinuate that my way was superior, but everyone acts like I did, for some reason.  I guess it's the nature of the internet to read too much into people's statements.  Whatever.

And yes, I did get my answer, essentially.  People can stop taking offense at basic questions now. 

[aimlessgun]

That is simply how you are perceived. Maybe it's an accident. But that's how it came out to others, regardless of how you think it looks.

Information for you to consider, if you care to do so.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 23 mars 2011 - 01:25 .

[GnusmasTHX]

I think we all just got trolled, actually.