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[blueumi]

anders was the best thing in awakening and dragon age 2 so I really hope they put him in dragon age 3

i wish it was still hawke but it will be a new hero but anders should be in the game more then just the few seconds alistair was in dragon age 2

Modifié par blueumi, 19 août 2012 - 03:28 .

[Renmiri1]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I'm not sure that guy has a future.

If Hawke didn't kill him and Seb didn't kill him and the Templars don't kill him and the Mages don't kill him....then...well the world'll be against him. I don't see a happy ending for Anders.

....maybe if he goes to Tevinter. ....if they don't capture him and do experiments on him.

You forgot the Warden's taint and Calling! 

Anders romance is the sweetest until Justice interferes  but still sweet to go Bonnie and Clyde after that. But not a lot of future there 

Unless Justice cures Anders' taint. And Sebastian gets murdered by his Starkhaven opponents. And Templars get a big case of amnesia "Anders who ?". And Loyalist mages decide to sit on their arse as they are fond of doing... The guy is so marked for death he needs a whole Witness relocation program just for him 

Tevinter is just about the only place he would not have more than 1-2 things / groups trying to kill him.

But would be nice to see him and Hawke happyly enjoying his last years on Earth 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 19 août 2012 - 05:21 .

[robertthebard]

No.

[Renmiri1]

robertthebard wrote...

No.

Just don't play it 

[New Kid]

What role would you like to see him playing?

[Shadowvalker]

Anders still owe me a knife.....

[Renmiri1]

Ceron44 wrote...

What role would you like to see him playing?

He could be in jail at Aeonar and you need to help Hawke release him.. Or involved in the mage rebellion in some way

[The Night Haunter]

Anders is dead, everyone in the world wants to kill him. Even the mages do, because he caused this whole conflict thats resulted in thousands of deaths. No-one likes Anders anymore.
Personally I think it was a very stupid decision to have Anders always blow up the grand cleric, especially if you Rival him and show him the letter from Sir Alrik and have him talk to the Grand Cleric (Plus if you do Legacy with him he rethinks the whole 'chantry mage up magisters going to black city' idea he had). So all in all he should have been able to control himself, and I can't see Justice thinking that blowing up the Chantry (instead of the Templars) is somehow a Just act.

Anyway if Anders isn't dead then I'm going to kill him every chance I get.

[New Kid]

So like a cameo quest? That could work!

Since he is killable though i don't think they will give him a huge role

[Big I]

Anders is done. After what they turned his charcter and Justice's into in DA2 I'm not shedding any tears.


I found interacting with Anders to be very trying in DA2. Every time he talked to my Hawke (while being rivalled) he'd accuse him of being anti-mage. No Anders, I just don't like how crazy you are. And then, after sparing him on max rivalry and seeing him finally come to the realisation that he's out of control, when talking to him at the Gallows he starts spouting off about the glorious mage revolution. WTH Anders, just...WTH.

[The Night Haunter]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Anders is done. After what they turned his charcter and Justice's into in DA2 I'm not shedding any tears.


I found interacting with Anders to be very trying in DA2. Every time he talked to my Hawke (while being rivalled) he'd accuse him of being anti-mage. No Anders, I just don't like how crazy you are. And then, after sparing him on max rivalry and seeing him finally come to the realisation that he's out of control, when talking to him at the Gallows he starts spouting off about the glorious mage revolution. WTH Anders, just...WTH.

He was a whiny **** wasn't he?

I love Carvers line
Carver: Oppression this, templars that. I'd heard enough long before you.


or
Carver: Perhaps we'll find our way by considering the plight of mages in modern- shut your bloody face.


Plus he is such a douche to every other companion. He seems to think that Aveline is power hungery and wants to arrest all mages because she is a guardsmen. He complains about Merril constantly when he in fact is the only one who alows a demon (Vengeance) to act through him and kill innocents (The Chantry & Grand Cleric). He also argues with Fenris, but that isn't quite as bad as his endless complaints about Merril and Aveline.

[Renmiri1]

Anders is nice to Varric and Isabella.

Yes Justice is a busybody, always butting into other people's lives and passing judgement. He was just as bad in DAA. But both Justice AND Anders stayed 7 years in Kirkwall, without blowing up anything. Orsino didn't dabble in blood magic, Trask's daughter was not possessed by demons... before they all got driven into despair, they were good people, trying to save innocents.

Meredith had sent for the right of Annulment, and an Exalted March was about to start against Kirkwall. The mages knew they were pretty much dead, if not this week by a Templar then maybe next week by a Seeker.

What Anders did was wrong but allowed at least some Kirkwall mages to survive, Hawke (or Bethany) included. Despair can make people do nasty things when they get backed into a corner.

[ShadyKat]

My gawd, no!
Anders was horrible in DA2. How did such a great character from Awakening, turn into such crap, in the very next game?! Killing him was the high point of DA2.

[The Night Haunter]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Anders is nice to Varric and Isabella.

Yes Justice is a busybody, always butting into other people's lives and passing judgement. He was just as bad in DAA. But both Justice AND Anders stayed 7 years in Kirkwall, without blowing up anything. Orsino didn't dabble in blood magic, Trask's daughter was not possessed by demons... before they all got driven into despair, they were good people, trying to save innocents.

Meredith had sent for the right of Annulment, and an Exalted March was about to start against Kirkwall. The mages knew they were pretty much dead, if not this week by a Templar then maybe next week by a Seeker.

What Anders did was wrong but allowed at least some Kirkwall mages to survive, Hawke (or Bethany) included. Despair can make people do nasty things when they get backed into a corner.

Umm Meredith sent for the Right of Annullment AFTER he blew up the chantry, what he did resulted the deaths of 80% of the mages in Kirkwall. (Maybe a little less is you side with mages, but even so most die). The Exalted March is pure speculation, Leliana says the divine is watching and will act if necessary, it wasnt necessary til anders became a mass murderer. So no he didn't save lives in any way shape or form.

[Urzon]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Umm Meredith sent for the Right of Annullment AFTER he blew up the chantry, what he did resulted the deaths of 80% of the mages in Kirkwall. (Maybe a little less is you side with mages, but even so most die). The Exalted March is pure speculation, Leliana says the divine is watching and will act if necessary, it wasnt necessary til anders became a mass murderer. So no he didn't save lives in any way shape or form.

Actually, Meredith was trying to get the RoA since just before Act III. Elthina wouldn't sign off on it though, so Meredith tried to go above her head and ask the Divine herself. After Anders bombed the Chantry, and kill Elthina and all the Mothers inside, Meredith got put into the head position of the Chantry (of the Kirkwall region), and she could sign off on the RoA herself.

So, she only used what Anders did as an excuse for what she has been trying to do for months, if not a year or so. Her being able to finally kill all the mages.... legally.

[The Night Haunter]

Urzon wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Umm Meredith sent for the Right of Annullment AFTER he blew up the chantry, what he did resulted the deaths of 80% of the mages in Kirkwall. (Maybe a little less is you side with mages, but even so most die). The Exalted March is pure speculation, Leliana says the divine is watching and will act if necessary, it wasnt necessary til anders became a mass murderer. So no he didn't save lives in any way shape or form.

Actually, Meredith was trying to get the RoA since just before Act III. Elthina wouldn't sign off on it though, so Meredith tried to go above her head and ask the Divine herself. After Anders bombed the Chantry, and kill Elthina and all the Mothers inside, Meredith got put into the head position of the Chantry (of the Kirkwall region), and she could sign off on the RoA herself.

So, she only used what Anders did as an excuse for what she has been trying to do for months, if not a year or so. Her being able to finally kill all the mages.... legally.

Exactly, except your missing the part where with Elthina alive Meredith doesn't have the authority to authorize RoA. The Divine isn't going to gainsay the Grand Cleric about the Circle in Kirkwall. Proof: read awakening. That same Divine ACTIVELY helps the mages escape from Seeker Lambert. If she is willing to do that she is def not gonna go against the Grand Cleric overseeing Kirkwall about events in Kirkwall.

So we are back to the fact that only Anders blowing up Elthina allows Meredith to declare RoA, so if Anders hadn't done that then the worst Meredith could have done was make a few dozen mages tranquil and eventually Elthina would realize Meredith was insane (Cullen was even thinking about this if you talk to him, he mentions Uldred and says everyday Meredith is getting closer to that insanity) then things would return to a more stable position with Cullen as commander of Kirkwall's circle.

Every mage who died, died because of Anders.

[Renmiri1]

You mean read Asunder, not Awakening...

The Divine in Dawn of the Seeker is not the same as the one in Asunder. DoS takes place before Asunder and in Asunder it is mentioned the new Divine has just started working and people are not yet used to her ways... We also know (Exiled Prince) that the Divine during the events on DA2 was considering sending an Exalted March to Kirkwall. To "annul" the entire city, not just mages, said a fearful Elthina to Hawke and Sebastian.

Meredith was out for blood, the Divine was out for blood. Elthina had no spine and was increasingly unable to restrain Meredith. Would you wait to be slaughtered or do something about it ?

Anders went after non-combatants. Is wrong. I would have gone against the temmplars but I would not wait until Meredith or the Divine got their wish for "my" blood.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 23 août 2012 - 05:00 .

[The Night Haunter]

Renmiri1 wrote...

You mean read Asunder, not Awakening...

The Divine in Dawn of the Seeker is not the same as the one in Asunder. DoS takes place before Asunder and in Asunder it is mentioned the new Divine has just started working and people are not yet used to her ways... We also know (Exiled Prince) that the Divine during the events on DA2 was considering sending an Exalted March to Kirkwall. To "annul" the entire city, not just mages, said a fearful Elthina to Hawke and Sebastian.

Meredith was out for blood, the Divine was out for blood. Elthina had no spine and was increasingly unable to restrain Meredith. Would you wait to be slaughtered or do something about it ?

Anders went after non-combatants. Is wrong. I would have gone against the tEmplars but I would not wait until Meredith or the Divine got their wish for "my" blood.

Hmm.. alright (Yes i did men Asunder). But even still Leliana only says the Divine was thinking about it, I would be surprised if the first Exalted March in a century is declared against an Andrastian city-state that hasn't even fallen yet. I will agree that it is possible the Divine would have agreed to annull the circle. But it is also possible she wouldn't and going to war over possibilities is a slippery slope (that Anders fell off of). I suspect the best we will do here is agree to disagree, but I believe had Anders not blown up Elthina the arguement betweem Meredith and Irsino (sp?) that occured right b4 Elthina blew up would have caused the Grand Cleric to take a side, and given everything she says that side would have been tellign Meredith to calm down and be more lenient. This is only a possibility I'll grant since Anders does blow her up.
Had Anders attacked the Templars rather than the CHantry I would have been much happier with him, as that would fit the idea of JUSTICE better than innocents (even stupid ones like Elthina who think sitting on the side lines while Hell breaks out is ok)

[Renmiri1]

Agreed, he should not have gone for the Chantry. He should have attacked the Templars. If anyone deserved an attack of that magnitude without a formal declaration of war. Not sure anyone did.

I see despair not logic. Both Anders and Justice are very adamant about protecting innocents in Awakening. Later in DA2 Justice gets more callous and capable of killing innocents in his effort to "serve justice" to Templars, but Anders doesn't. He tries to reign in Justice/ Vengeance but loses his battle.  And he wants to die to pay for his act.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 23 août 2012 - 04:59 .

[Urzon]

ghostmessiah202 wrote..

Exactly, except your missing the part where with Elthina alive Meredith doesn't have the authority to authorize RoA. The Divine isn't going to gainsay the Grand Cleric about the Circle in Kirkwall. Proof: read awakening. That same Divine ACTIVELY helps the mages escape from Seeker Lambert. If she is willing to do that she is def not gonna go against the Grand Cleric overseeing Kirkwall about events in Kirkwall.

So we are back to the fact that only Anders blowing up Elthina allows Meredith to declare RoA, so if Anders hadn't done that then the worst Meredith could have done was make a few dozen mages tranquil and eventually Elthina would realize Meredith was insane (Cullen was even thinking about this if you talk to him, he mentions Uldred and says everyday Meredith is getting closer to that insanity) then things would return to a more stable position with Cullen as commander of Kirkwall's circle.

Every mage who died, died because of Anders.

We don't know if the Divine was going to give her approval or not, even though she was sympathetic to the mages; the situation in Kirkwall was getting bad enough to consider a Exalted March. If she thought she could nip the problem in the bud by annulling the Circle, she might have given her approval. We just don't know.

What I was just pointing out that Meredith has been trying to call for a RoA for months, even before Anders blew up the Chantry, and she was trying to go above the Grand Cleric's head to get it. While Anders' bombing gave her the leeway to call for it herself, she has been planning on killing all the mages in the Circle for almost as long as Anders did his bombing.

Anders gave her the opening, but Meredith still takes all the blame for the death of the mages at the Circle. She left the true culprit of the crime behind, just so she can kill all the innocent mages (of that crime at least) in the Circle under the guise of "It's what the public would want!".

Of course, it's what she wanted for the lasted time as well.

[CELL55]

 MAKER NOOOOOOOOOOO! 
But seriously, no. DA2 Anders was functionally a completely different character from Awakening Anders, and I'd like to put all that mess to rest. And his final quest suffered from such heavy and blatant railroading that I have trouble feeling anything other than contempt for the crazy fool.

[The Night Haunter]

Urzon wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote..

Exactly, except your missing the part where with Elthina alive Meredith doesn't have the authority to authorize RoA. The Divine isn't going to gainsay the Grand Cleric about the Circle in Kirkwall. Proof: read awakening. That same Divine ACTIVELY helps the mages escape from Seeker Lambert. If she is willing to do that she is def not gonna go against the Grand Cleric overseeing Kirkwall about events in Kirkwall.

So we are back to the fact that only Anders blowing up Elthina allows Meredith to declare RoA, so if Anders hadn't done that then the worst Meredith could have done was make a few dozen mages tranquil and eventually Elthina would realize Meredith was insane (Cullen was even thinking about this if you talk to him, he mentions Uldred and says everyday Meredith is getting closer to that insanity) then things would return to a more stable position with Cullen as commander of Kirkwall's circle.

Every mage who died, died because of Anders.

We don't know if the Divine was going to give her approval or not, even though she was sympathetic to the mages; the situation in Kirkwall was getting bad enough to consider a Exalted March. If she thought she could nip the problem in the bud by annulling the Circle, she might have given her approval. We just don't know.

What I was just pointing out that Meredith has been trying to call for a RoA for months, even before Anders blew up the Chantry, and she was trying to go above the Grand Cleric's head to get it. While Anders' bombing gave her the leeway to call for it herself, she has been planning on killing all the mages in the Circle for almost as long as Anders did his bombing.

Anders gave her the opening, but Meredith still takes all the blame for the death of the mages at the Circle. She left the true culprit of the crime behind, just so she can kill all the innocent mages (of that crime at least) in the Circle under the guise of "It's what the public would want!".

Of course, it's what she wanted for the lasted time as well.

I'll agree it is both Meredith's and Ander's fault (prolly even 50/50 since both are bat crap crazy). Without Anders Meredith wouldnt have had the opportunity for RoA, without Meredith Anders might not have gone to such drastic measures.
So since Meredith is dead as doorknob (although what is particularly dead about a doorknob I don't know) we can hope Anders is too

[Urzon]

Agreed, Anders should stay dead if you killed them, which Mr. Gaider has already said as well. Though, he was alittle cyptic on the fate of Vengence/Justice if Anders died....

Though if Vengence/Justice makes a return in DAIII, I would rather it be as something like a sidequest that turns out to be a epic boss fight against zombie!J/Vanders that is attacking a town that supports the templars.

Or better yet, Vengence possesses Sebastian, because he was very vengeful at the end of DAII. With the whole, "Anders deserves to die for what he has done" speak, and the "I'll reclaim my throne just to gather an army to kill you all."

Vengence in spades!

Modifié par Urzon, 23 août 2012 - 06:15 .