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[randName]

I think this is the best solution overall, to make the world adjust a little to your preference; for example I can't stand playing male characters in DA and ME, and its even worse now that they are voiced; but I have no interest in my female avatar having a hetro romance, since the line of what's her and what's me is still shady, despite the gender barrier (one of the reasons I prefer Elves/Dwarves, other races, and female avatars is the divide it creates between me and the character/avatar).

& I know that if I played a male character I'd prefer it if not all the males act like bisexuals, but you had the option (for all those who likes male male relationships).

[kelsjet]

As I said in another thread, you really don't want to mess with the gays.

You see, if Bioware didn't allow every NPC to be gay, the gays in the community would cause a ruckus like you haven't ever seen before.



Gays' would push bioware's sh!t in with the QQ storm they would bring up. You see, gays like to ramrod their opinions down our throats. The worst part is, you never see it coming, one minute you are just making a simple point, and then the gays sneak up and take you from behind.

It really is a slippery soap. You really shouldn't try to take on the gays.

[Dr. Impossible]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

It's not an ideal solution, but it's better than Alice being interested in Bob if and only if Bob is a guy.

Yes, that wouldn't be realistic at all.

EccentricSage wrote...

I wish that Bioware would have the guts to give characters widely varried yet fully thought out and distinctive sexual identities, though.  If I have to play a male character to romance the gay character, cool, I get to have a gay story line.  What's wrong with that?  I think, if given enough development time and propper care and tact, RPGs with characters like that would really encourage players step into other people's shoes instead of needing their PC to be a fairy tale version of themselves every playthrough.

You're not talking about an RPG anymore, you're talking about a dating sim. Not the same thing.

I fear that if characters do not have their own distinct sexual identity, we'll miss out on a lot of good story telling.  I hate the idea of pretending sexuality is a non issue in fiction, because that is not relatable.

You read some very strange fiction.

EccentricSage wrote...

I agree RPG romances need to evolve with every game so that it does not start to feel formulated.

"RPG romances." Lol.

Modifié par Dr. Impossible, 22 mars 2011 - 11:10 .

[Drake Sigar]

kelsjet wrote...

As I said in another thread, you really don't want to mess with the gays.

You see, if Bioware didn't allow every NPC to be gay, the gays in the community would cause a ruckus like you haven't ever seen before.
 

Well then those people are idiots. Treating homosexuality and bisexuality as interchangeable cheapens their sexual identity.

[truestatic]

All your companions are Hawksexual.

[EccentricSage]

erilben wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

 But then, David Gaider DID say that he originally intended for Alistair to be open to bisexual romance, but it got cut due to budget contraints.

Do you have a link? I read the opposite. That Alistair was always meant to be a romance for female player only.

He said it somewhere in the comments section of GayGamer.net, but there are a LOT of Dragon Age articles on that site, so I'm having trouble finding it at the moment.  I'll post a link when I do, though... But I have to sleep soon...

[Xewaka]

Varric and Aveline aren't.

[EccentricSage]

Drake Sigar wrote...

kelsjet wrote...

As I said in another thread, you really don't want to mess with the gays.

You see, if Bioware didn't allow every NPC to be gay, the gays in the community would cause a ruckus like you haven't ever seen before.
 

Well then those people are idiots. Treating homosexuality and bisexuality as interchangeable cheapens their sexual identity.

I agree completely.  In fact, it's a point David Gaider himself spoke about in comments on Gay Gamer.  But I'm guessing like many aspects of DA2, it's another rushed experiment.

[EccentricSage]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

It's not an ideal solution, but it's better than Alice being interested in Bob if and only if Bob is a guy.

Yes, that wouldn't be realistic at all.

EccentricSage wrote...

I wish that Bioware would have the guts to give characters widely varried yet fully thought out and distinctive sexual identities, though.  If I have to play a male character to romance the gay character, cool, I get to have a gay story line.  What's wrong with that?  I think, if given enough development time and propper care and tact, RPGs with characters like that would really encourage players step into other people's shoes instead of needing their PC to be a fairy tale version of themselves every playthrough.

You're not talking about an RPG anymore, you're talking about a dating sim. Not the same thing.

I fear that if characters do not have their own distinct sexual identity, we'll miss out on a lot of good story telling.  I hate the idea of pretending sexuality is a non issue in fiction, because that is not relatable.

You read some very strange fiction.

EccentricSage wrote...

I agree RPG romances need to evolve with every game so that it does not start to feel formulated.

"RPG romances." Lol.

You seem to lack the understanding that sexuality is a part of a person's psyche, and identity.  For it to be ignored is to ignore a part of the human experience.  If you preffer writing of highly limited and entirely prudish scope, that's you. 

Some RPGs are more than just the leveling, stats, and combat.  Some involve ACTUAL Role-Playing, which I enjoy.  Such RPGs require believable writing with characters that are relatable.  If that is not to your tastes, then you can always esc past most of the conversations and plot, or play a game that has none.

[AlexMBrennan]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

It's not an ideal solution, but it's better than Alice being interested in Bob if and only if Bob is a guy.

Yes, that wouldn't be realistic at all.

I don't understand your emphasis (technically italics, but you're not supposed to use that any more). On an unrelated note, I didn't know that if and only if has its own wiki page

[Dr. Impossible]

EccentricSage wrote...

You seem to lack the understanding that sexuality is a part of a person's psyche, and identity.  For it to be ignored is to ignore a part of the human experience.  If you preffer writing of highly limited and entirely prudish scope, that's you.

I somehow found Fallout to be a gripping experience despite the lack of gay parades and romances.

Some RPGs are more than just the leveling, stats, and combat.  Some involve ACTUAL Role-Playing, which I enjoy.

Don't confuse dating sims with RPGs.

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I don't understand your emphasis (technically italics, but you're not supposed to use that any more).

what

[EccentricSage]

kelsjet wrote...

As I said in another thread, you really don't want to mess with the gays.

You see, if Bioware didn't allow every NPC to be gay, the gays in the community would cause a ruckus like you haven't ever seen before.



Gays' would push bioware's sh!t in with the QQ storm they would bring up. You see, gays like to ramrod their opinions down our throats. The worst part is, you never see it coming, one minute you are just making a simple point, and then the gays sneak up and take you from behind.

It really is a slippery soap. You really shouldn't try to take on the gays.

XD  So hard to supress my laughter... so painfully hard.

[Dreadstruck]

kelsjet wrote...

As I said in another thread, you really don't want to mess with the gays.

You see, if Bioware didn't allow every NPC to be gay, the gays in the community would cause a ruckus like you haven't ever seen before.



Gays' would push bioware's sh!t in with the QQ storm they would bring up. You see, gays like to ramrod their opinions down our throats. The worst part is, you never see it coming, one minute you are just making a simple point, and then the gays sneak up and take you from behind.

It really is a slippery soap. You really shouldn't try to take on the gays.

Not sure if it's just irony, but I admit, I lol'd

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 22 mars 2011 - 11:50 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I don't understand your emphasis (technically italics, but you're not supposed to use that any more).

what

Italics vs emphasis

[EccentricSage]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

You seem to lack the understanding that sexuality is a part of a person's psyche, and identity.  For it to be ignored is to ignore a part of the human experience.  If you preffer writing of highly limited and entirely prudish scope, that's you.

I somehow found Fallout to be a gripping experience despite the lack of gay parades and romances.

Some RPGs are more than just the leveling, stats, and combat.  Some involve ACTUAL Role-Playing, which I enjoy.

Don't confuse dating sims with RPGs.

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I don't understand your emphasis (technically italics, but you're not supposed to use that any more).

what

That's nice for you.  Yes, different types of games can be deap and gripping experiences for different reasons.  None need detract from the other.

You aparently don't understand that role play means... you know... to play a role... as in a character... and guess what?  Sexuality and interpersonal relationships are a realistic part of characterisation.  If you don't like it, you don't have to do it.  I like it, I do it.

[Sabariel]

It's not as if every LI walks up to you and says: "Hi! I'm ____ and I'm bi! Isn't that great? Did I mention I was bi? I'm bi, you know! Bi, bi, bi, bi, BI! ............bi."

[erilben]

EccentricSage wrote...

erilben wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

 But then, David Gaider DID say that he originally intended for Alistair to be open to bisexual romance, but it got cut due to budget contraints.

Do you have a link? I read the opposite. That Alistair was always meant to be a romance for female player only.

He said it somewhere in the comments section of GayGamer.net, but there are a LOT of Dragon Age articles on that site, so I'm having trouble finding it at the moment.  I'll post a link when I do, though... But I have to sleep soon...

Alright. I found where he said Alistair was always meant to be the female romantic lead.

As for a reason why Alistair isn't available as a romance for men? It's
simpler than you think. The last time we included such a romance (in
Jade Empire) a great number of the female fanbase were upset that they
had to "share" their only romantic option with the male players. Would
they have been satisfied with a straight Zevran and bisexual Alistair? I
have no idea, but Alistair was always designed as the *female* romantic
lead. End of story.

http://social.biowar...ussion/983/&p=9

[EccentricSage]

erilben wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

erilben wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

 But then, David Gaider DID say that he originally intended for Alistair to be open to bisexual romance, but it got cut due to budget contraints.

Do you have a link? I read the opposite. That Alistair was always meant to be a romance for female player only.

He said it somewhere in the comments section of GayGamer.net, but there are a LOT of Dragon Age articles on that site, so I'm having trouble finding it at the moment.  I'll post a link when I do, though... But I have to sleep soon...

Alright. I found where he said Alistair was always meant to be the female romantic lead.

As for a reason why Alistair isn't available as a romance for men? It's
simpler than you think. The last time we included such a romance (in
Jade Empire) a great number of the female fanbase were upset that they
had to "share" their only romantic option with the male players. Would
they have been satisfied with a straight Zevran and bisexual Alistair? I
have no idea, but Alistair was always designed as the *female* romantic
lead. End of story.

http://social.biowar...ussion/983/&p=9

That's so weird.  I swear I saw him say on GayGamer that he had intended bi alistair, but that they had to cut stuff... And I'm determined to find it, too...

I think that women not wanting to share their favorite character with homosexuals is the absolute dumbest reason to make a character streight I've ever heard.  And seriously, those Jade Empire fans are some selfish ****es. 

[P_k_r]

This is very poor writing on BioWare's part, I have to say. A person's sexuality is an important part of their character, whether it is in-game or in real-life. Making it easy on everyone and saying "oh yeah, you gender determines their sexual orientation" is pure rubbish, especially in a story/character-driven game. It's easy to imagine someone like Isabela, adventurous and open-minded, to swing both ways; but people like Fenris and Aveline (even if she doesn't have a "proper" romance), who are so set in their views? Come on.

[Sabariel]

P_k_r wrote...

This is very poor writing on BioWare's part, I have to say. A person's sexuality is an important part of their character, whether it is in-game or in real-life. Making it easy on everyone and saying "oh yeah, you gender determines their sexual orientation" is pure rubbish, especially in a story/character-driven game. It's easy to imagine someone like Isabela, adventurous and open-minded, to swing both ways; but people like Fenris and Aveline (even if she doesn't have a "proper" romance), who are so set in their views? Come on.

So... gays and bisexuals cannot be set in their views? They cannot be conservative and prudent? I better tell some of my friends that they don't actually exist. They'll be so disappointed

[randName]

Xewaka wrote...

Varric and Aveline aren't.

Aveline is; she treats your love to her the same if you are male or female - and ask what would be if they had come together and not she and the guard.

[randName]

For me I'd personally prefer it if the game would adjust to what you prefer in as much as its feasible; as in the cost of implementation shouldn't overshadow the benefits; having lots of romances available for example doesn't cheapen the game if done right; as in not every character will express themselves as romanceable characters, but you have to work for it before they cave in. Thus you wouldn't notice that character X is bi-sexual unless you played both a female and a male character, and in both instances tried to romance the same character.

& It's not about what's real, or you can't look at the love in DA2 and say its any less real than the combat, or almost anything else in the game. esp. if you view them not as bi-sexual, but customised to fit your character.

[EccentricSage]

randName wrote...

For me I'd personally prefer it if the game would adjust to what you prefer in as much as its feasible; as in the cost of implementation shouldn't overshadow the benefits; having lots of romances available for example doesn't cheapen the game if done right; as in not every character will express themselves as romanceable characters, but you have to work for it before they cave in. Thus you wouldn't notice that character X is bi-sexual unless you played both a female and a male character, and in both instances tried to romance the same character.

& It's not about what's real, or you can't look at the love in DA2 and say its any less real than the combat, or almost anything else in the game. esp. if you view them not as bi-sexual, but customised to fit your character.

That's a good idea.  Then after your character breaks down all the defences of your character's LI and finally seduces them into switch-hitting, you can be all 'oh yeah, I'm just that good'.  LOL  I aprove.

[apoc_reg]

Seems to be mostly the guys who cant keep their hands off me... its pretty irritating as the only hot girl is my er sister!  ...id welcome an encouter with that Merdith though... and in a very very odd way... flemeth! ha

[Dr. Impossible]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Italics vs emphasis

You're an idiot.

EccentricSage wrote...

You aparently don't understand that role play means... you know... to play a role... as in a character... and guess what?  Sexuality and interpersonal relationships are a realistic part of characterisation.  If you don't like it, you don't have to do it.  I like it, I do it.

Lol Mr. Dating Sim is lecturing to me about role-playing.

Modifié par Dr. Impossible, 22 mars 2011 - 12:28 .