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[Vengeful Nature]

I don't like this way. It smacks far too much of that weird Torchwood-style "everyone does everyone else" thing.

Why is it so hard to believe that some people are gay and some aren't? If a gay man like another man who isn't gay, they just have to deal with it. The world doesn't fit around you, whether your heterosexual or homosexual. Anders, in particular, being bi just totally blindsided me, given that he seems to have been built from the start as a bit of a hapless and rarely successful womaniser. "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools", and his constant hitting on Velanna and Mhairi... I mean, come on! If he's bi, why is he not hitting on Nathaniel just as much?

A good compromise would be if Hawke could bring them around, if you choose the right dialogue choices, apart from Isabella, who obviously doesn't mind either way to begin with. That would give Hawke more input on their character, as well.

[EccentricSage]

Dr. Impossible wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Italics vs emphasis

You're an idiot.

EccentricSage wrote...

You aparently don't understand that role play means... you know... to play a role... as in a character... and guess what?  Sexuality and interpersonal relationships are a realistic part of characterisation.  If you don't like it, you don't have to do it.  I like it, I do it.

Lol Mr. Dating Sim is lecturing to me about role-playing.

You are a troll.  Nothing more.

[Tirigon]

Joe_8998 wrote...

Come on, that really seems like a cop out. Maybe they wanted to make it so that anyone could romance any party member, and not have to worry about gender or starting a new playthrough to experience it.

But it just seems so... unlikely. All of the varied and interesting people I picked up on my adventure swing both ways? Does the population of Thedas have a much greater percentage of bisexual citizens than our world?

Or did they include a cut-and-paste modular romance experience for both genders because it was easier?

Actually, this is very realistically. EVERYONE IS BISEXUAL.

Most just haven´t met Mister / Miss Right yet.

And Hawke just happens to be Mister Right.

Actually, the fact that they all go for Hawke is much more unrealistic than the fact they don´t care about his / her gender......

[LegendaryBlade]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Dr. Impossible wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

It's not an ideal solution, but it's better than Alice being interested in Bob if and only if Bob is a guy.

Yes, that wouldn't be realistic at all.

I don't understand your emphasis (technically italics, but you're not supposed to use that any more). On an unrelated note, I didn't know that if and only if has its own wiki page

Not to derail the thread, but iff is a math/logic term, and it's used pretty frequently in finite mathmatics, so it really has to have it's own page.

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 22 mars 2011 - 12:46 .

[EccentricSage]

Tirigon wrote...

Joe_8998 wrote...

Come on, that really seems like a cop out. Maybe they wanted to make it so that anyone could romance any party member, and not have to worry about gender or starting a new playthrough to experience it.

But it just seems so... unlikely. All of the varied and interesting people I picked up on my adventure swing both ways? Does the population of Thedas have a much greater percentage of bisexual citizens than our world?

Or did they include a cut-and-paste modular romance experience for both genders because it was easier?

Actually, this is very realistically. EVERYONE IS BISEXUAL.

Most just haven´t met Mister / Miss Right yet.

And Hawke just happens to be Mister Right.

Actually, the fact that they all go for Hawke is much more unrealistic than the fact they don´t care about his / her gender......

Everyone is bisexual is a huge over-simplification, though.  Orientation exists, and is very strong in some people, weather it be inherent in them, or a bias taught to them.  A person with a strong heterosexual orientation should have some conflict over acnowledging feelings for someone of the same sex, as they will usually have come to identify themselves the same way.  Same goes for homosexual orientation.

They shouldn't all simply go for the character, rather, it should be a natural development.  I do not know yet,.

[Dr. Impossible]

EccentricSage wrote...

You are a troll.  Nothing more.

You don't even know what that means.

Tirigon wrote...

Actually, this is very realistically. EVERYONE IS BISEXUAL.

And this is why I hate the gay agenda.

[Tirigon]

EccentricSage wrote...

Everyone is bisexual is a huge over-simplification, though.  Orientation exists, and is very strong in some people, weather it be inherent in them, or a bias taught to them. 

But it can change.

Although, if it wouldn´t, that could make for some funny dialogues:

FemHawke: I really love you Merril!
Merril: Oh, I don´t know. You are so good to me and you´re the only friend I´ve ever had and all, but...
Hawke: What´s wrong?
Merril: You know, I have never had a boyfriend because noone likes me, but I decided that i want to be straight so I can´t be with you.....
Hawke: :blink:

[coolair74]

Tirigon wrote...

Actually, this is very realistically. EVERYONE IS BISEXUAL.

Most just haven´t met Mister / Miss Right yet.

And Hawke just happens to be Mister Right.

Actually, the fact that they all go for Hawke is much more unrealistic than the fact they don´t care about his / her gender......

The fact that you can arbitrarily say this leads me to beleive that you are indeed a moron trying to push some agenda.


I can tell you, Im not Bi sexual, I am very hetero the way God intended. The mere thought of some hairy dude repulses me. I take offense to this statement. If you ment it in the context of the game then I understand that.

[Tirigon]

@ Coolair: Well then you´re strange. The only way to prove you´re truly hetero is by dying without ever having done it with a dude. Until then, how can you know what chance or alcohol may bring?

[NewYears1978]

They did it because it's easier..simple as that. Easier, and makes the people who WANT that option happy.

I myself think it is just another, stupid choice. Another one that takes away from the development of the characters as individuals..

[coolair74]

Tirigon wrote...

@ Coolair: Well then you´re strange. The only way to prove you´re truly hetero is by dying without ever having done it with a dude. Until then, how can you know what chance or alcohol may bring?

Im strange cuz I dont like guys? What drugs are your taking and can I have some?

Even 4 stages of drunk wouldnt make me touch a guy much less sleep with one. I know this. I am confident in my sexuality.  Maybe in your twisted little world , everyone sleeps with everyone else, but my poopchute is exit only.

[Aesieru]

It does break the immersion, especially when I see the flirt icon and don't actually have to even really "try" to create a romance, and then of course to see that the penultimate purpose of the "romance" is just to have a sex scene, which completely kills it for me because that's not what romance is actually about, to anyone who has an actual relationship and isn't an idiot.

Anyway, it'd be better if I didn't see these "flirt" icons and that they were instead unlocked (just like a lot of things should have been LOCKED to begin with) and that certain characters simply wouldn't come on to you within the first 10 seconds of meeting them.

[Dr. Impossible]

Tirigon wrote...

@ Coolair: Well then you´re strange. The only way to prove you´re truly hetero is by dying without ever having done it with a dude. Until then, how can you know what chance or alcohol may bring?

[this isnt my name]

Tirigon wrote...

Actually, this is very realistically. EVERYONE IS BISEXUAL.

Most just haven´t met Mister / Miss Right yet.

What a load of bull**** your bisexual fine, but you have no idea who I am, to say you know me better than me is ignorant and stupid. Not everyone is bi, I am not bi, even if I am the only guy that isnt bi, your theory is wrong, please never make stupid posts like this again.

Tirigon wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

Everyone
is bisexual is a huge over-simplification, though.  Orientation exists,
and is very strong in some people, weather it be inherent in them, or a
bias taught to them. 

But it can change.

Although, if it wouldn´t, that could make for some funny dialogues:

FemHawke: I really love you Merril!
Merril: Oh, I don´t know. You are so good to me and you´re the only friend I´ve ever had and all, but...
Hawke: What´s wrong?
Merril: You
know, I have never had a boyfriend because noone likes me, but I
decided that i want to be straight so I can´t be with you.....
Hawke: [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Sounds like someone writing creepy fapfiction.

Tirigon wrote...

@ Coolair: Well then you´re strange. The
only way to prove you´re truly hetero is by dying without ever having
done it with a dude. Until then, how can you know what chance or alcohol
may bring?

Wow if I call a gay guy strange becuase he is attracted to dudes I am a homophobe, ah double standards, if I didnt register my games I would be flaming you right now, becuase it is dicrimination.
And people have done that, proving the existance of hetros, proving your theory wrong.

http://t3.gstatic.co...xWP3N35LmIFtGYx

Modifié par this isnt my name, 22 mars 2011 - 02:51 .

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

coolair74 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

@ Coolair: Well then you´re strange. The only way to prove you´re truly hetero is by dying without ever having done it with a dude. Until then, how can you know what chance or alcohol may bring?

Im strange cuz I dont like guys? What drugs are your taking and can I have some?

Even 4 stages of drunk wouldnt make me touch a guy much less sleep with one. I know this. I am confident in my sexuality.  Maybe in your twisted little world , everyone sleeps with everyone else, but my poopchute is exit only.

That's right.  You heard it here first: It is stranger for you to be certain that you don't want to have sex with other guys than it is for you to actually have sex with other guys.  Maybe Tirigon knows a good therapy group you could join to work through this difficult dysfunction. 

Coolair: Hi, I'm Coolair.

Group: Hi, Coolair

Coolair: And...I--I don't...I ONLY LIKE GIRLS, OKAY?  HOW DID MY SOUL EVER BECOME SO BROKEN?  HOW DID I BECOME THIS SICK, TWISTED WRECK?" 

Modern Counselor Guy: It's all right, Coolair.  Guys, I think Coolair could use a group hug.

Group: Yep.  (Moves in for group hug)

Coolair: Hey, wait a minute...

Many of us find comfort rereading the DSM II.  You might be able to find a copy on eBay.

[moilami]

this isnt my name wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Actually, this is very realistically. EVERYONE IS BISEXUAL.

Most just haven´t met Mister / Miss Right yet.

What a load of bull**** your bisexual fine, but you have no idea who I am, to say you know me better than me is ignorant and stupid. Not everyone is bi, I am not bi, even if I am the only guy that isnt bi, your theory is wrong, please never make stupid posts like this again.

Tirigon wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

Everyone
is bisexual is a huge over-simplification, though.  Orientation exists,
and is very strong in some people, weather it be inherent in them, or a
bias taught to them. 

But it can change.

Although, if it wouldn´t, that could make for some funny dialogues:

FemHawke: I really love you Merril!
Merril: Oh, I don´t know. You are so good to me and you´re the only friend I´ve ever had and all, but...
Hawke: What´s wrong?
Merril: You
know, I have never had a boyfriend because noone likes me, but I
decided that i want to be straight so I can´t be with you.....
Hawke: [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie][smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Sounds like someone writing creepy fapfiction.

Tirigon wrote...

@ Coolair: Well then you´re strange. The
only way to prove you´re truly hetero is by dying without ever having
done it with a dude. Until then, how can you know what chance or alcohol
may bring?

Wow if I call a gay guy strange becuase he is attracted to dudes I am a homophobe, ah double standards, if I didnt register my games I would be flaming you right now, becuase it is dicrimination.
And people have done that, proving the existance of hetros, proving your theory wrong.

http://t3.gstatic.co...xWP3N35LmIFtGYx

Enjoyed your posting.

They are now trying to convert you. Did the same to me. It is actually fun to watch.

[Lotion Soronarr]

randName wrote...

For me I'd personally prefer it if the game would adjust to what you prefer in as much as its feasible; as in the cost of implementation shouldn't overshadow the benefits; having lots of romances available for example doesn't cheapen the game if done right; as in not every character will express themselves as romanceable characters, but you have to work for it before they cave in. Thus you wouldn't notice that character X is bi-sexual unless you played both a female and a male character, and in both instances tried to romance the same character.

& It's not about what's real, or you can't look at the love in DA2 and say its any less real than the combat, or almost anything else in the game. esp. if you view them not as bi-sexual, but customised to fit your character.

Rubbish.

The game world should adjust to the player? No. The player should adjust to the game world. Thedas (or any setting for that matter) should be populated with complete characters with developed personalities. Not some lumps of clay to mold into whatever fetish one might have.

[mesmerizedish]

Sabariel wrote...

It's not as if every LI walks up to you and says: "Hi! I'm ____ and I'm bi! Isn't that great? Did I mention I was bi? I'm bi, you know! Bi, bi, bi, bi, BI! ............bi."

Nope, that's my job.

They're all bi! Bi bi bi, bi bi bi bi bi!

Sabariel wrote...

So... gays and bisexuals cannot be set in their views? They cannot be conservative and prudent? I better tell some of my friends that they don't actually exist. They'll be so disappointed

Well, ****.

[Legbiter]

The OP should not spread that sort of slander about Sebastian!

[AkiKishi]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Rubbish.

The game world should adjust to the player? No. The player should adjust to the game world. Thedas (or any setting for that matter) should be populated with complete characters with developed personalities. Not some lumps of clay to mold into whatever fetish one might have.

It's like the two opposing views.

1. The PC is the most important person in the world and they should get what they want.
2. Everything in the world is just as important as the PC and has it's own beliefs and goals.

I thought Anders was a tool for trying to hit on someone he just met and then getting rivalry points for it when I turned him down.

I'm not sure if I buy into this "The whole world is Bi" stuff. I really wanted to nail Tali as femshep, but I could not. That was just not Tali's thing. That made her more of a character of her own.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 22 mars 2011 - 03:30 .

[Kornelius]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Rubbish.

The game world should adjust to the player? No. The player should adjust to the game world. Thedas (or any setting for that matter) should be populated with complete characters with developed personalities. Not some lumps of clay to mold into whatever fetish one might have.

Yes, I completely agree. Well said.

[Chewin]

Question

Everyone is bi, I get that. But are everyone showing their feelings for you with ease? I mean does everyone act like in the game that Hawke is bi too, or are they cautious if you're of the same gender?

[mesmerizedish]

Anders and Isabela put themselves forward. Fenris and Merrill need you to come on to them.

[Chewin]

@ishmaeltheforsaken Well that ain't bad. Thx for the reply

Modifié par Chewin3, 22 mars 2011 - 03:58 .