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[rabbit_v2]

I think it is a false assumption to make that a character is bi if romances are available for different character genders. Each instance of game-play is its own alternate universe. Anders in your first play-thru is not the same Anders in the 2nd.

Modifié par rabbit_v2, 23 mars 2011 - 02:37 .

[BiowareRoKKKs]

Elenaxrose wrote...

Many they want to give gamers more choice. If you think about it, they might not swing both ways from the start, they might just fall in love with hawke.
I personally prefer it like this.

What a tool.

[Tirigon]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Edward was a vampire? Pfft 

He was a sparkly, virgin, doesn't want to drink human blood, failure of a vampire.

Hence why I spoke about sucky wannabe vampires.

[EccentricSage]

It's sad to see this thread devolving into name calling. *sigh*

I think the point is that it's an odd game mechanic to have the love interest's sexual orientation dependent upon weather Hawk is male or female. The characters should be their own person with their own set history and personality. Yes, every play through is it's own alternate reality, but that is only in how Hawk chooses to interact with the world. That the identity of the characters is in any way variable weakens the characters. If a writer compromises a character's identity and story in order to pander to fans, they run the risk of making the characters become increasingly contrived and void of their own true identity.

I guess the real question is where do we want the line to be drawn between what the player controls, and what the player does not?

[FirstCitizen800]

EccentricSage wrote...

It's sad to see this thread devolving into name calling. *sigh*

I think the point is that it's an odd game mechanic to have the love interest's sexual orientation dependent upon weather Hawk is male or female. The characters should be their own person with their own set history and personality. Yes, every play through is it's own alternate reality, but that is only in how Hawk chooses to interact with the world. That the identity of the characters is in any way variable weakens the characters. If a writer compromises a character's identity and story in order to pander to fans, they run the risk of making the characters become increasingly contrived and void of their own true identity.

I guess the real question is where do we want the line to be drawn between what the player controls, and what the player does not?

If I am a devout Andrastian, all the characters should be devout Andrastians as well. Otherwise, I will feel negelected, not being able to stick my salmi inside an adorable character who doubts the truths of Andraste.

[Sabariel]

EccentricSage wrote...

It's sad to see this thread devolving into name calling. *sigh*

I think the point is that it's an odd game mechanic to have the love interest's sexual orientation dependent upon weather Hawk is male or female. The characters should be their own person with their own set history and personality. Yes, every play through is it's own alternate reality, but that is only in how Hawk chooses to interact with the world. That the identity of the characters is in any way variable weakens the characters. If a writer compromises a character's identity and story in order to pander to fans, they run the risk of making the characters become increasingly contrived and void of their own true identity.

I guess the real question is where do we want the line to be drawn between what the player controls, and what the player does not?

...Their personality and history are set. Each Hawke gender has its own set personality and history for their companions and there isn't much difference between them. If your companions' personality and history changed every single time you played I might think this a legitimate complaint. As it stands now, it's just silly. Nothing is taken away from your companions. No depth is lacking. People are making waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too big a deal of this.

[mi55ter]

moilami wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

randName wrote...

For me I'd personally prefer it if the game would adjust to what you prefer in as much as its feasible; as in the cost of implementation shouldn't overshadow the benefits; having lots of romances available for example doesn't cheapen the game if done right; as in not every character will express themselves as romanceable characters, but you have to work for it before they cave in. Thus you wouldn't notice that character X is bi-sexual unless you played both a female and a male character, and in both instances tried to romance the same character.

& It's not about what's real, or you can't look at the love in DA2 and say its any less real than the combat, or almost anything else in the game. esp. if you view them not as bi-sexual, but customised to fit your character.

Rubbish.

The game world should adjust to the player? No. The player should adjust to the game world. Thedas (or any setting for that matter) should be populated with complete characters with developed personalities. Not some lumps of clay to mold into whatever fetish one might have.

True.

I don't know if the player should adjust to the game world as far as LIs are concerned for a RPG. Adjusting to everything else is fine (Aliens and Biotics in ME, for instance) but LIs are an essential part of where you create your character.  

[Tirigon]

EccentricSage wrote...

It's sad to see this thread devolving into name calling. *sigh*

I think the point is that it's an odd game mechanic to have the love interest's sexual orientation dependent upon weather Hawk is male or female. The characters should be their own person with their own set history and personality. Yes, every play through is it's own alternate reality, but that is only in how Hawk chooses to interact with the world. That the identity of the characters is in any way variable weakens the characters. If a writer compromises a character's identity and story in order to pander to fans, they run the risk of making the characters become increasingly contrived and void of their own true identity.

I guess the real question is where do we want the line to be drawn between what the player controls, and what the player does not?

Well personally I would much prefer if they were REALLY bi every time (e.g. Anders telling about Karl as lover to female Hawkes too), but since, apparently, that would create an even bigger sh!tstorm, I think the current situation is one of the (very few) things DA2 got right.

[Rrend]

Joe_8998 wrote...

Come on, that really seems like a cop out. Maybe they wanted to make it so that anyone could romance any party member, and not have to worry about gender or starting a new playthrough to experience it.

But it just seems so... unlikely. All of the varied and interesting people I picked up on my adventure swing both ways? Does the population of Thedas have a much greater percentage of bisexual citizens than our world?

Or did they include a cut-and-paste modular romance experience for both genders because it was easier?

LOL!!!!  I was wondering about that when Anders started coming onto my male Hawke for the first time.  WTF???  Bioware worried about offending some type of sexual by not enabling them to roleplay sexual encounters the way they want?

[Monsteroids]

I don't see the problem. You can avoid romance all you want. Ander's actions go in line with his creepy obsessiveness and you can be rather brusque to him if you feel you must.

I think the idea is neat and allows fair play across the board. Taking offense to a feature completely voluntary and optional like this seems asinine.

[Iamnotahater]

Monsteroids wrote...

I don't see the problem. You can avoid romance all you want. Ander's actions go in line with his creepy obsessiveness and you can be rather brusque to him if you feel you must.

I think the idea is neat and allows fair play across the board. Taking offense to a feature completely voluntary and optional like this seems asinine.

Of course you don't.

For those of us who aren't gay, bisexual, curoius or whatever the pc termanology for the word **** is nowadays. It is quite unwanted and I don't know why the developer didn't put the option in during character creation instead of making straight players constantly turn down lewd requests from their male companions.

On a side note it did make me play as a female lead (first time ever).

[Derax]

Tirigon wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

Everyone is bisexual is a huge over-simplification, though.  Orientation exists, and is very strong in some people, weather it be inherent in them, or a bias taught to them. 

But it can change.

BTW: some 

Although, if it wouldn´t, that could make for some funny dialogues:

FemHawke: I really love you Merril!
Merril: Oh, I don´t know. You are so good to me and you´re the only friend I´ve ever had and all, but...
Hawke: What´s wrong?
Merril: You know, I have never had a boyfriend because noone likes me, but I decided that i want to be straight so I can´t be with you.....
Hawke: :blink:

I really don't think there is universal bisexuality.

Men They can look really beautiful but that means i don't want to engage with them but I am rather jealous that they can be possible competitiors.

BTW: i think some people confuse attraction with sexual tendency.
You could lock up a heterosexual man with a goat  for 2 years: much could happen....

For me that does not mean the man changed his sexuality.

Modifié par Derax, 23 mars 2011 - 02:57 .

[Tirigon]

Derax wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

Everyone is bisexual is a huge over-simplification, though.  Orientation exists, and is very strong in some people, weather it be inherent in them, or a bias taught to them. 

But it can change.

Although, if it wouldn´t, that could make for some funny dialogues:

FemHawke: I really love you Merril!
Merril: Oh, I don´t know. You are so good to me and you´re the only friend I´ve ever had and all, but...
Hawke: What´s wrong?
Merril: You know, I have never had a boyfriend because noone likes me, but I decided that i want to be straight so I can´t be with you.....
Hawke: :blink:

I really don't think there is universal bisexuality.

Men They can look really beautiful but that means i don't want to engage with them but I am rather jealous that they can be possible competitiors.

But in that case, you don´t act as if you love them.
Or do you? That would be.... odd. And a bit unfair.

[Derax]

No I wouldn't but I have friends who can become "touchy" --> good for the ladies...


maybe the opposite to the barsexual girlies with a little less body contact 

Modifié par Derax, 23 mars 2011 - 03:03 .

[mesmerizedish]

Iamnotahater wrote...

Of course you don't.

For those of us who aren't gay, bisexual, curoius or whatever the pc termanology for the word **** is nowadays. It is quite unwanted and I don't know why the developer didn't put the option in during character creation instead of making straight players constantly turn down lewd requests from their male companions.

On a side note it did make me play as a female lead (first time ever).

Ha. Constantly? Try once. One advance from Anders, that you can immediately decline. If that's such a huge deal to you, that's your problem.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Tirigon wrote...

moilami wrote...

Or have you thought about the possibility that there is something else more unconscious instincs? Like could that be the reason why some don't become attracted of same sex even though they can get presents, food, beer, and spend a lot of time together sharing plenty of thougts? But with opposite sex a word or wink or just sight can begin to attract helluva big time?

Just sayin'.

Maybe. But then explain to me how I, a male person, can spend time with female friends without wanting to bone them just as I can with male friends, while there are other women I DO want to be with?

I DO believe in these "unconscious instincts" stuff (aka pheromones) but apparently they don´t work solely based on gender. At least not for me.

Simple...attraction to women doesn't mean there is no filter. And one doesn't react the same to all impulses (including pheremones).

Personality is a factor in wanting to actually have a  realshionship - but base attraction just IS.

So no. It doesn't work liek that.

[rubydog1]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

Of course you don't.

For those of us who aren't gay, bisexual, curoius or whatever the pc termanology for the word **** is nowadays. It is quite unwanted and I don't know why the developer didn't put the option in during character creation instead of making straight players constantly turn down lewd requests from their male companions.

On a side note it did make me play as a female lead (first time ever).

Ha. Constantly? Try once. One advance from Anders, that you can immediately decline. If that's such a huge deal to you, that's your problem.

Yeah, he and Fenris pretty much stopped bugging me after I turned them down firmly. It looked like there were options to start flirting with both of them after that point, but they weren't the only conversation options at the time.

[mesmerizedish]

rubydog1 wrote...

Yeah, he and Fenris pretty much stopped bugging me after I turned them down firmly. It looked like there were options to start flirting with both of them after that point, but they weren't the only conversation options at the time.

Fenris never places you in that position. Your relationship with him doesn't take a turn to the romantic unless you pick flirt lines first.

[Iamnotahater]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

Of course you don't.

For those of us who aren't gay, bisexual, curoius or whatever the pc termanology for the word **** is nowadays. It is quite unwanted and I don't know why the developer didn't put the option in during character creation instead of making straight players constantly turn down lewd requests from their male companions.

On a side note it did make me play as a female lead (first time ever).

Ha. Constantly? Try once. One advance from Anders, that you can immediately decline. If that's such a huge deal to you, that's your problem.

Try twice both Feneris and Anders hit on me for just being nice to them (RO was not pursued).

The fact I get riveraly points for telling them "I don't swing both ways" is again not cool.

[rubydog1]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

rubydog1 wrote...

Yeah, he and Fenris pretty much stopped bugging me after I turned them down firmly. It looked like there were options to start flirting with both of them after that point, but they weren't the only conversation options at the time.

Fenris never places you in that position. Your relationship with him doesn't take a turn to the romantic unless you pick flirt lines first.

Perhaps I mistook a weird smile while he was drinking wine for him trying to come on to me.

[mesmerizedish]

rubydog1 wrote...

Perhaps I mistook a weird smile while he was drinking wine for him trying to come on to me.

Probably... there's one conversation where one of the choices is a flirt line. My character didn't interpret Fenris's line as a come-on, though, so she didn't flirt back.

[mesmerizedish]

Iamnotahater wrote...

Try twice both Feneris and Anders hit on me for just being nice to them (RO was not pursued).

The fact I get riveraly points for telling them "I don't swing both ways" is again not cool.

Fenris never hits on you if you don't pursue a romance with him.

Rivalry points aren't a punishment, and it doesn't happen every time. Sometimes you get friendship points for it.

[Valcutio]

Iamnotahater wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

Of course you don't.

For those of us who aren't gay, bisexual, curoius or whatever the pc termanology for the word **** is nowadays. It is quite unwanted and I don't know why the developer didn't put the option in during character creation instead of making straight players constantly turn down lewd requests from their male companions.

On a side note it did make me play as a female lead (first time ever).

Ha. Constantly? Try once. One advance from Anders, that you can immediately decline. If that's such a huge deal to you, that's your problem.

Try twice both Feneris and Anders hit on me for just being nice to them (RO was not pursued).

The fact I get riveraly points for telling them "I don't swing both ways" is again not cool.

There are also a couple of other comments that Anders makes during sidequests that openly display his attraction towards Male-Hawke even after shutting him down. There are also gross heart options that are available even after shutting down LI's. How many times do I have to say NO before the game figures out that I'm straight?