This other post about which NPC you want to romance gets me thinking.... In DA:O, I really really...want to romance Sten, but he's just not interested. DA2, I want to romance Arishok, even he might have some serious anger management issue (probably due to sleep deprivation) .
But from how the game present the Qun and Qunari, it doesn't looks like they fall in love the same way we do, and they probably don't consider having sex a way of expressing/sharing love. I mean they get assigned to have sex for reproduction purposes... I think they're probably like extreme religous fanatics, all their love is devoted to the Qun. But that just deosn't seem possible. Love between people (same sex or opposite sex) is nature. There must be love before there's Qun.
Just out of pure fangirl curiosity, what do you think about Qunari and love?
Does Qunari fall in love?
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:26
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You mean, with each other or with other qunari women - or are the qunari just men? I'm confused...
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:31
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From the way it's spelled out in the wiki, it seems like they understand love, just not in a romantic sense. They can become extremely attached to groups they are a part of (look at Sten's dream in the Circle Tower), but beyond that the concept of love and family isn't really acknowledged in their society. It seems like the best bet for a term more endearing than a qunari calling you "kadan" is if they were Tal'Vashoth, and that still probably hinges on their reason for abandoning the Qun and what they do now.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:31
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I'm sure some of them do fall in love, but they likely become Tal'Vashoth. I can't imagine love is mandated by the Qun.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:32
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fluorine7 wrote...
This other post about which NPC you want to romance gets me thinking.... In DA:O, I really really...want to romance Sten, but he's just not interested. DA2, I want to romance Arishok, even he might have some serious anger management issue (probably due to sleep deprivation) .
But from how the game present the Qun and Qunari, it doesn't looks like they fall in love the same way we do, and they probably don't consider having sex a way of expressing/sharing love. I mean they get assigned to have sex for reproduction purposes... I think they're probably like extreme religous fanatics, all their love is devoted to the Qun. But that just deosn't seem possible. Love between people (same sex or opposite sex) is nature. There must be love before there's Qun.
Just out of pure fangirl curiosity, what do you think about Qunari and love?
The Qun is everything to the Qunari, so no.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:32
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With each other or with other race. Just in general.
There're Qunari women, all the administrators are female. it's just only soldiers travels out of the their homeland at Par Vollen, so females Qunaris are rarely seen by the rest of Thedas.
There're Qunari women, all the administrators are female. it's just only soldiers travels out of the their homeland at Par Vollen, so females Qunaris are rarely seen by the rest of Thedas.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:33
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Here's a quote from the wiki, which I'm pretty sure is a direct quote from a dev, but unattributed:
"They also don't generally associate mating with love. They feel love. They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another. They just don't sleep with each other to express it. And if they do, they get re-educated by the Ben-Hassrath. If such a thing occurred and produced a child, the same thing would happen to the offspring as happens to all other Qunari offspring: It would be raised by the Tamassrans, evaluated, and assigned a job. Qunari don't waste people unnecessarily. "
It's possible that qunari naturally lack the same type of romantic passions that humans do, or experience them differently. Or it could just be a religious thing. I dunno. There doesn't necessarily need to be love before there's Qun,* because they are a different species. We haven't really seen much of the Tal'Vashoth, but it still seems like they're basically humans with a more limited range of emotions.
I don't really care about the Qunari but I want one to be a love interest just because I've really taken to this euphemism, courtesy of Isabela: "Did he... satisfy a demand of your Qun?" Girl, never change.
*that's what she said
"They also don't generally associate mating with love. They feel love. They have friends. They form emotional bonds with one another. They just don't sleep with each other to express it. And if they do, they get re-educated by the Ben-Hassrath. If such a thing occurred and produced a child, the same thing would happen to the offspring as happens to all other Qunari offspring: It would be raised by the Tamassrans, evaluated, and assigned a job. Qunari don't waste people unnecessarily. "
It's possible that qunari naturally lack the same type of romantic passions that humans do, or experience them differently. Or it could just be a religious thing. I dunno. There doesn't necessarily need to be love before there's Qun,* because they are a different species. We haven't really seen much of the Tal'Vashoth, but it still seems like they're basically humans with a more limited range of emotions.
I don't really care about the Qunari but I want one to be a love interest just because I've really taken to this euphemism, courtesy of Isabela: "Did he... satisfy a demand of your Qun?" Girl, never change.
*that's what she said
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:37
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So basically, they're like a race of priests, love of their god/Qun comes before anything, and there's no room for other kind of love.....
kind of depressing.....
kind of depressing.....
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:38
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To be a thriving race, they need a healthy sex drive. Lust does not necessarily mean love, but it could lead to infatuation? Which they may need to ignore, like the Jedi. =P
I imagine they have complicated rituals regarding mates and mating. And like a lot of prearranged marriages, you (may) learn to love your mate over time, rather than fall in love and then become mates.
I imagine they have complicated rituals regarding mates and mating. And like a lot of prearranged marriages, you (may) learn to love your mate over time, rather than fall in love and then become mates.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:43
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umwhatyousay wrote...
It's possible that qunari naturally lack the same type of romantic passions that humans do, or experience them differently. Or it could just be a religious thing. I dunno. There doesn't necessarily need to be love before there's Qun,* because they are a different species. We haven't really seen much of the Tal'Vashoth, but it still seems like they're basically humans with a more limited range of emotions.
As I recall, one of the books for the DA pen and paper ruleset said that before the Qun they were "a barbaric people prone to violent rages" with an animist religion. Not sure if that was a liberty they took with them or just something that never comes up because of their role in the actual series, but it makes a case that there probably are some renegade groups that lived like they used to. Just probably nowhere near the rest of Thedas
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 12:03
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What the...didn't you guys talk to Sten? I remember he made a comment during one of the conversation about how love has nothing to do with sex and Qunari probably have platonic relationship that has nothing to do with breeding.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 04:02
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I'm very curious about female Qunari - I hope we get to meet some in the next game.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 04:18
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fluorine7 wrote...
This other post about which NPC you want to romance gets me thinking.... In DA:O, I really really...want to romance Sten, but he's just not interested. DA2, I want to romance Arishok, even he might have some serious anger management issue (probably due to sleep deprivation) .
But from how the game present the Qun and Qunari, it doesn't looks like they fall in love the same way we do, and they probably don't consider having sex a way of expressing/sharing love. I mean they get assigned to have sex for reproduction purposes... I think they're probably like extreme religous fanatics, all their love is devoted to the Qun. But that just deosn't seem possible. Love between people (same sex or opposite sex) is nature. There must be love before there's Qun.
Just out of pure fangirl curiosity, what do you think about Qunari and love?
If you max his friendship out, Sten loves you as much as a Qunari ever loves another person. So that was Qunari romance right there.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 04:29
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Yes, I bet they love - and when they do so, I bet the love intensely. They're a purpose driven society. I bet they love with purpose - not for frivolous sexual release. (reason number one million why many forum goes are repulsed by them)
The Greeks believed that love was a form of madness. Plato refined the term Eros (the goddess of love and sexuality) to mean looking beyond the form of a person and seeing a beauty within. True Eros was seeing the beauty of all things and being in love with all things equally. Plato believed that Eros was specifically not "physical desire" - it was more than that. It was love for its own sake - not loving for what it gives you.
I imagine the Qunari love on a more philosophical level - not on a more base, immediate needs, level.
The Greeks believed that love was a form of madness. Plato refined the term Eros (the goddess of love and sexuality) to mean looking beyond the form of a person and seeing a beauty within. True Eros was seeing the beauty of all things and being in love with all things equally. Plato believed that Eros was specifically not "physical desire" - it was more than that. It was love for its own sake - not loving for what it gives you.
I imagine the Qunari love on a more philosophical level - not on a more base, immediate needs, level.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 04:29
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Don't forget Sten/Shale romance.Anarya wrote...
If you max his friendship out, Sten loves you as much as a Qunari ever loves another person. So that was Qunari romance right there.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 05:37
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Considering the Tal'Vashoth (sp?) don't seem to seek out paramours anymore than the Qunari, I'm leaning towards the whole they-don't-experience-love-the-same-way-we-do thing. Or even the Tal'Vashoth still have some of the Qun's conditioning deeply ingrained in their subconscious. But since we never see any of them with a romantic partner or even the mention of one, I don't see them as being inherently sexually driven, at least not to same extent as humanity.
But that's just like my opinion, Dude. I really have nothing but my own observation to base it on.
But that's just like my opinion, Dude. I really have nothing but my own observation to base it on.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 05:41
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Well..I think it was said that breeding is regulated. Still, that may not stop them from forming romantic partnerships where they just avoid pregnancy. And they clearly have friendship bonds, with Sten and the Warden in DA1.
We should also keep in mind that the only qunari we really see are either soldiers on a mission, or outcasts trying to survive. These aren't the best ways to get to know the touchy feely side of the qunari. If we were to meet their bakers, well that would probably show us a whole new side of the story.
PS: Saemus and that Ashaad were totally doin' it. I just know it.
We should also keep in mind that the only qunari we really see are either soldiers on a mission, or outcasts trying to survive. These aren't the best ways to get to know the touchy feely side of the qunari. If we were to meet their bakers, well that would probably show us a whole new side of the story.
PS: Saemus and that Ashaad were totally doin' it. I just know it.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 05:44
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No. Tal-Vashoth may be different, but then, they're not really Qunari anymore.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 06:28
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Arishok: Love? A silly human emotion that causes more trouble than it is worth.
We Qunari have something similar but you humans could not possibly understand.
Human: But one of your people flew into a rage and killed a rival suitor in a fit of jealousy!
Arishok: Humans are fools who become jealous, we follow the Qun and it says that if someone approaches your mate you are allowed to kill him, but you wouldn't understand.
Human: But aren't those two cases the exact same thing?
Arishok: You wouldn't understand we are the Qunari!
We Qunari have something similar but you humans could not possibly understand.
Human: But one of your people flew into a rage and killed a rival suitor in a fit of jealousy!
Arishok: Humans are fools who become jealous, we follow the Qun and it says that if someone approaches your mate you are allowed to kill him, but you wouldn't understand.
Human: But aren't those two cases the exact same thing?
Arishok: You wouldn't understand we are the Qunari!
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 07:17
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I think Qunaris are like Vulcans (in a manner of speaking....), they're passionate and emotional people, and they need strict social/religious structure to keep them from constant waring with each other.
As for Sten in DA:O, actually in one of my play through, I got him maxed out 100% friendship, and at the end of the game, I went to talk to him and ask if I can come with him back to Par Vollen, and he agreed. I was very happy... I didn't think about romance at the moment, I just thought it's really nice to have Sten as a friend. But now that I think back, that's probably the closest a Qunari can be with a outsider, maybe that's their love.
As for Sten in DA:O, actually in one of my play through, I got him maxed out 100% friendship, and at the end of the game, I went to talk to him and ask if I can come with him back to Par Vollen, and he agreed. I was very happy... I didn't think about romance at the moment, I just thought it's really nice to have Sten as a friend. But now that I think back, that's probably the closest a Qunari can be with a outsider, maybe that's their love.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 09:55
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Beerfish wrote...
Arishok: Love? A silly human emotion that causes more trouble than it is worth.
We Qunari have something similar but you humans could not possibly understand.
Human: But one of your people flew into a rage and killed a rival suitor in a fit of jealousy!
Arishok: Humans are fools who become jealous, we follow the Qun and it says that if someone approaches your mate you are allowed to kill him, but you wouldn't understand.
Human: But aren't those two cases the exact same thing?
Arishok: You wouldn't understand we are the Qunari!
Lol. Too true. In fact, I'm tempted to quote snarky!Hawke on this matter: "You could throw gold at the Arishok and he'd complain it's too heavy." At the end of the day, I'm not sure it's possible to understand the Qunari unless you are the Qunari.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:10
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Oops, mispost. My bad.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:12
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Nope. Reproduction is a demand of the Qun. (I don't know I'm just guessing based on their seriousness about that stuff) Sort of like in 1984 where party members are forced to reproduce solely for the purpose of increasing party size, not out of love.
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Posté 22 mars 2011 - 10:24
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PoliteAssasin wrote...
Nope. Reproduction is a demand of the Qun. (I don't know I'm just guessing based on their seriousness about that stuff) Sort of like in 1984 where party members are forced to reproduce solely for the purpose of increasing party size, not out of love.
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When they say reproduction is controlled, I assume it was less "Ok we have to breed even if we don't like it" and more "Ok only these people are allowed to breed because the qun demands". And any couplings that weren't in the 'supposed to breed' catagory, could just do things together that don't result in pregnancy.
