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[Aethena]

So I noticed this in DA:O, and its even more apparent in DA:2.... Perhaps I'm missing something.

So if your mage your either A: An Apostate or B: Bound to the Circle never to leave...

During the beginning you run into Aveline and her husband and her husband knew right away that your sister (and you if you chose mage) are a mage... Yet not a single other NPC or Templar who are TRAINED FOR YEARS to sniff out apostates and recognize them, notice that your a mage...

Why is this? It kinda breaks the whole illusion of me hiding from templars when I can walk around with a staff on my back and mage clothing as though its an everyday thing.

There are even quests where you show yourself as a mage (despite the obvious staff on ur back and mage clothing), by making your hand light up... /facepalm

Then again I suppose I could just say its my Halloween costume :innocent: Thats what all the cool kids are doing these days right? dressing up as mages *thumbs up*

[Deylar]

The templars think your staff is for decoration only and is non functional.

[Aethena]

lol if only it was that easy for other mages

[Deylar]

Well they are jealous of other mages staffs you see.

[Aethena]

I could see how templars could be jelous of other mages obviously bigger "staffs"

[DungeonLord]

The answer is simple, the npcs are dumb as bricks. Bioware fitted them with "shuffle on your feet" AI and that's it. Unfortunately. You'd think they would run for cover when a firestorm erupts, but nope...

[Axe_Gaijin]

*waves hand*

These aren't the Apostates you're looking for...

[Aethena]

Axe_Gaijin wrote...

*waves hand*

These aren't the Apostates you're looking for...

*waves off the guards*

These are not the apostates we are looking for, Move along.

[Chiramu]

And blood mages attack you on sight, it's just like "HEY GUYS I'M ON YOUR SIDE!"

[Aethena]

Chiramu wrote...

And blood mages attack you on sight, it's just like "HEY GUYS I'M ON YOUR SIDE!"

Thats another good point. On my third playthrough I wanted to play as an evil mage, so I put the point into bloodmage magic, I acted evil and saddistic, and helping the mages, even siding with the bloodmages (as often as I could) but no matter what the blood mages would always attack on sight... Just like everything else in this game, it broke the illussion and immersion.

[Deylar]

Aethena wrote...
I could see how templars could be jelous of other mages obviously bigger "staffs"

Insanity and big staffs is a big turn on for templars you see. Its what makes them want to lock them up.

Modifié par Deylar, 22 mars 2011 - 11:40 .

[Esbatty]

Starkhaven Nutjobs: Look TEMPLARS!
*Mage Hawke, Merrill, Anders, and Bethany look around for said Templars*
Starkhaven Nutjobs: GET THE TEMPLARS!
*Group takes a step back*
Hawke: The Dog is the only one here without a staff or robes. FML.

[Aethena]

Esbatty wrote...

Starkhaven Nutjobs: Look TEMPLARS!
*Mage Hawke, Merrill, Anders, and Bethany look around for said Templars*
Starkhaven Nutjobs: GET THE TEMPLARS!
*Group takes a step back*
Hawke: The Dog is the only one here without a staff or robes. FML.

Exactly my point!

[ongnei]

in my story bethany was taken away....zzzz hawke alone in her mansion...crap...

[salbine]

Aethena wrote...
Why is this? It kinda breaks the whole illusion of me hiding from templars when I can walk around with a staff on my back and mage clothing as though its an everyday thing.

Using magic right in front of templars doesn't tip them off, either. I figure the lyrium must make them selectively blind. The writers really screwed up. A world in which mages aren't supposed to be able to walk around freely and use magic doesn't work well for a game with a mage class. lol. But we're stuck with it now.

[Aethena]

salbine wrote...

Aethena wrote...
Why is this? It kinda breaks the whole illusion of me hiding from templars when I can walk around with a staff on my back and mage clothing as though its an everyday thing.

Using magic right in front of templars doesn't tip them off, either. I figure the lyrium must make them selectively blind. The writers really screwed up. A world in which mages aren't supposed to be able to walk around freely and use magic doesn't work well for a game with a mage class. lol. But we're stuck with it now.

THe problem is that the game was rushed... Your ok with being a mage in Dragon Age Origins because your a Grey Warden, and Grey Wardens can be mages without having to go to the Circle or being an Apostate. 

The problem is is that the writers forgot I think that your no longer a Grey Warden,  your a Refugee, a nobody, at least until you become the Champion and sometimes Viscount. Which then I dont think many cared.

But I think they should of at least made it more threatening to be a mage before you became the champion

[Swordfishtrombone]

It's the needs of the story, alas.

It's kinda like Superman comics wouldn't work if everyone wasn't fooled by Clark Kent taking off his classes and dressing in a cape. It's silly, but it's one of those things where the audience/player is supposed to suspend their disbelief.

If you start to look for them, there are such things all over not only DA2, but any cRPG - for example, you can typically carry around an armory's worth of weapons and big bulky armor, yet nobody's even wearing so much as a backpack. In reality, you'd need a mule drawing a cart behind you.

[kamidutten]

Oh yes i totaly agree with the op and the rest here, the NPCs are way to stupid. My first playthru, which i dident complete, i was a warrior and thought that it would be more fun to play a mage, to see what the templars said.

What did they say? Nothing, nothing at all. Some NPCs will say "I saw what you are" and then trigger a mage only conversation, but most NPCs are completley oblivious to you when you are standing there and casually making fireballs, walls of frost, lightningstorms and shoot magic bolts out of your walking stick.

The best part is when you fight something with an NPC in the same room, after the fight you start talking about apostates and mages and you can then make your hand burn to say "im a mage" and the NPC will drop their jaw over your cool burning hand. Hey, i just made the entire room catch fire, did you miss that?

Also i find it funny with the blood mages, im a blood mage on my character and not even my party seems to have any clue about it. And in conversations i can say "boooo, blood magic! Aweful" and as soon as the fighting starts im slitting my wrist like a emo.

DA2 immersion points: 3 of 10 ^^

[Ulathar]

Because (s)he's not the (Blood) Mage they're looking for

[kyles3]

As long as the game gives you a choice about who your character is, there are going to be compromises in how extensively the world can react to who your character is. You wanted choice, you got choice. Enjoy.

And besides, being a mage in DA2 is still the most interesting class choice from a storyline perspective because of all the unique dialogue you get. It's a huge improvement over DA:O.

[Briiel]

I see the jedi you did thar !

[Aethena]

kamidutten wrote...

Oh yes i totaly agree with the op and the rest here, the NPCs are way to stupid. My first playthru, which i dident complete, i was a warrior and thought that it would be more fun to play a mage, to see what the templars said.

What did they say? Nothing, nothing at all. Some NPCs will say "I saw what you are" and then trigger a mage only conversation, but most NPCs are completley oblivious to you when you are standing there and casually making fireballs, walls of frost, lightningstorms and shoot magic bolts out of your walking stick.

The best part is when you fight something with an NPC in the same room, after the fight you start talking about apostates and mages and you can then make your hand burn to say "im a mage" and the NPC will drop their jaw over your cool burning hand. Hey, i just made the entire room catch fire, did you miss that?

Also i find it funny with the blood mages, im a blood mage on my character and not even my party seems to have any clue about it. And in conversations i can say "boooo, blood magic! Aweful" and as soon as the fighting starts im slitting my wrist like a emo.

DA2 immersion points: 3 of 10 ^^

The immersion in this game is incredibly sub par, if you see my 2 other threads about it, your rating of 3 would drop to 0. There is quite literally no immersion what so ever in this game. Because it was rushed.

[aftohsix]

 If they didn't have time to make multiple unique caves do you really think they had time to record extra dialogue for NPCs realizing you're a mage.

Not only that but the whole storyline sort of breaks down if you're a mage running around free in Kirkwall and people know it.

Meredith would be on your doorstep in a hearbeat.

Of course this is the same as in Origins when you could be a Blood Mage sucking Leliana's life force to keep yourself alive.

Suspension of disbelief people.  It's a wonderful thing.

[Fredvdp]

Aethena wrote...

Yet not a single other NPC or Templar who are TRAINED FOR YEARS to sniff out apostates and recognize them, notice that your a mage...

The Knight-Commander knows you're an apostate.

[Lycidas]

Does anyone remember Baldur's Gate II? If you used magic within the main city (Athkatla) of that game the Cowled Wizards would instantly attack you. Good times...