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Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

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Where I live, people who are gay aren't that hard to recognize. btw, I live in a CITY. I know it may not be that way for everyone, but quite a few aren't hard to recognize.


So, you think you've seen them ALL? There's no chance that some people you don't get that 'vibe' from could be gay without you knowing it? You really think you're THAT perceptive?
I have to say, I think you're wrong on this one. Sure, there are plenty of people who wear their sexuality on their sleeve, but if you think those people comprise the totality of homosexual or bisexual persons in your community, you are mistaken, plain and simple.


Try again, please. <_<


And this is why this whole discussion topic is pointless.

Here's the flow chart for those of you just joining us:

Step 1: Assumption #1: I can spot a Gay Homosexual a mile away! They all act effeminate-like!
Step 2: Observation #1: I didn't get a gay vibe from Shepard or any of them other dudes in the game!
Step 3: Question Premise, Reevaluate Assumptions (SKIPPED BY USER)
Step 4: Conclusion based on Assumption #1 and Observation #1: Shepard and them dudes can't be bisexual or gay, y'all!
Step 5: Use Conclusion from Step 4 to support other arguments, even if they are unrelated.

Fact: The above assumption is just that, an ASSUMPTION. And a particularly faulty one. And the observation is based on an invalid assumption, rendering the observation invalid. So you've got an invalid assumption, an invalid observation, and an invalid conclusion, but nowhere in that mix is there any room for self-analysis or critical review.

But you didn't create this topic to explore your own assumptions Ramirez, you simply wanted to watch some fireworks. I hope it was fun for you. But don't worry, I understood the futility of trying to educate you and your brethren from the beginning. But pride goeth before a fall, and you will have to learn how wrong you are the old fashioned way.


What? When did I say that ALL homosexuals are effiminate? That wasn't said ONCE by me.

Accusing me of trolling? REALLY? I want to discuss this, not watch arguments. I haven't made one insulting statement to anyone here. Me and my brethren? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How am I wrong? 

Prove it.


When I said that it is impossible to determine if someone is homosexual from a few brief conversations, you dismissed that idea as if it were self-evident. Which it is not. That right there tells me that you AREN'T LISTENING.

So whatever dude, have fun, and make sure you buy the new DLC coming soon to all platforms! It's called Arrival™, and if you think you know what's coming, you're in for a big surprise. And by big surprise I mean penis.



I seriously doubt it but thanks.

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Nyoka wrote...

Have you played Jade Empire? They did it and it was neat.

I have in fact, it is a fun game.

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sexuality plays a large part in how you perceive people. Should your way of perception be the norm in the universe of Mass Effect? Do they matter at all? They certainly don't matter to me.

No they matter to everyone delude yourself if you want to but we treat people differently based on gender and our orientations.  This is biological fact.  It's the reason why after 20,000 years sex still sells and women are still often hyper-sexualised compared to men...

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That's not the point. Maleshep can't romance every woman in the game either. The point is to provide the same gaming experience to everyone. If you can romance Kaidan, a gay man should be able to romance Kaidan. That's all. Same game, same possibilities.

I don't agree with this unless he was intedned to be bisexual, there is a reason why some choices are not available to all Shepards. 

Nyoka wrote...

No it doesn't. Each character is different. They have different personalities and backgrounds. Romancing Jack is not the same as romancing Miranda, regardless of your sex.

I didn't say different characters, I mean the same character.  Meaning you romance Jack as a woman and I do so as a man, they may differ in some areas but it's overall the same experience in the end.  Personally I like that my choice matters it means I can play again and make different ones and see different outcomes.

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Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

What? When did I say that ALL homosexuals are effiminate? That wasn't said ONCE by me.

Accusing me of trolling? REALLY? I want to discuss this, not watch arguments. I haven't made one insulting statement to anyone here. Me and my brethren? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How am I wrong? 

Prove it.


When I said that it is impossible to determine if someone is homosexual from a few brief conversations, you dismissed that idea as if it were self-evident. Which it is not. That right there tells me that you AREN'T LISTENING.

So whatever dude, have fun, and make sure you buy the new DLC coming soon to all platforms! It's called Arrival™, and if you think you know what's coming, you're in for a big surprise. And by big surprise I mean penis.


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I'm in for a big penis?

WHAT? That is not funny and comments like that take away from this discussion.

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Actually, I think I heard somewhere that Bioware intended for Tali to be romanceable in ME1 (I'm currently looking for proof), but changed it.

I have heard this too, but proof would be nice.  I beleive it was tied to the chicken feet remark.  Meaning they felt people would not like her because of her physical features.

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[quote]UsagiVindaloo wrote...

[quote]coolair74 wrote...

[quote]UsagiVindaloo wrote...

[quote]AwesomeAuger wrote...

Since the true Shepard is male, Im always referancing the male Shapard.  Ill never play the game as femshep because that was thrown in to give the girls a heroin.  Since every single ad for the game shows Male Shepard with the default face, that is the real Shapard. So no they arnt the same toon.
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This is correct.

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Wait, what?

Female Shepard may not be on the posters as much, but that doesn't mean she isn't equally important and worthy as Male Shepard. She IS Shepard, just as Male Shepard IS Shepard. You cannot treat them differently, and you CANNOT give one more or less respect than the other.

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As much? Find me one. I havent seen it.

Ok who was in the trailer for ME3? Nuff said. He was ment to be male and thats what they marketed it.

Im not saying the female version is any less important, she did have better voice over work, and I can see your point since they included weird Kelly, I only romance her until she feeds my fish, cus that is annoying.  Liara doesnt count, her whole race looks female. While some may think that is a lesbian thing it really isnt cus eventually, Liara is gonna start pooping out little blue kids. And your femshep is the daddy :P They really couldnt get around this.

Perhaps Femshep is Bi , and thats the way they wanted it. Im sure they saw some teenage boys playing as femshep to see the love scene with Liara. Sex sells my dear and its a double standard but many strait guys love to see two woman going at it.


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Okay, so perhaps a double standard here does exist.

In which case, I would sincerely hope that you agree that double standards are BAD and should not exist. In other words, they should either make both Shepards bi or both Shepards straight, not make the male straight and the female bi just to sell to straight guys.

Frankly, it's insulting to straight men more than anything. It's implying that A) you would buy/like a game more just because it has hot lesbians in it, and B) that you feel uncomfortable with a gay or bisexual male character or with male/male sexuality. That's a pretty awful assumption to make about you guys, and I'd hope you'd be in a hurry to say, "Screw you, we're big boys, we don't mind if Garrus makes a subtle pass at us as long as we get to let him down gently and continue our epic bromance and ride off into the sunset with Tali and Liara!"

But anyway, I'd hope we all agree that it's not right to treat a male Shepard differently than a female Shepard.

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Never said I agree with it.  If it was my choice, if you chose a femshep, the Kelly would have been changed to Kenny the brighteyed Yoeman eager to service your womanhood. They are pandering to the fapfap teenage boys here nothing more.  I think I may try and play as a femshep and see if anything major changes, I seriously doubt it. 

I think we all got derailed from the main point, changing the characters now is just bad juju. It wouldnt make any difference in my game since me and Miranda are a thing in one save and I have Liara in another.

Actually in my Liara save I still have Miranda too, wonder how thats gonna work, threesome maybe ? Huzza!

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

What? When did I say that ALL homosexuals are effiminate? That wasn't said ONCE by me.

Accusing me of trolling? REALLY? I want to discuss this, not watch arguments. I haven't made one insulting statement to anyone here. Me and my brethren? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How am I wrong? 

Prove it.


When I said that it is impossible to determine if someone is homosexual from a few brief conversations, you dismissed that idea as if it were self-evident. Which it is not. That right there tells me that you AREN'T LISTENING.

So whatever dude, have fun, and make sure you buy the new DLC coming soon to all platforms! It's called Arrival™, and if you think you know what's coming, you're in for a big surprise. And by big surprise I mean penis.


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I'm in for a big penis?

WHAT? That is not funny and comments like that take away from this discussion.


Boo-flippin'-hoo. I've already given your topic WAY more consideration that it ever merited. If my humor offends you, too bad, so sad, I suggest you get glad in the same pants you got mad in. I'm only treating the subject matter with the depth and sensitivity that you've shown yourself, so you only have yourself to blame, brah.

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

What? When did I say that ALL homosexuals are effiminate? That wasn't said ONCE by me.

Accusing me of trolling? REALLY? I want to discuss this, not watch arguments. I haven't made one insulting statement to anyone here. Me and my brethren? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How am I wrong? 

Prove it.


When I said that it is impossible to determine if someone is homosexual from a few brief conversations, you dismissed that idea as if it were self-evident. Which it is not. That right there tells me that you AREN'T LISTENING.

So whatever dude, have fun, and make sure you buy the new DLC coming soon to all platforms! It's called Arrival™, and if you think you know what's coming, you're in for a big surprise. And by big surprise I mean penis.


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I'm in for a big penis?

WHAT? That is not funny and comments like that take away from this discussion.


Ramirez, you haven't replied to my comments. You keep saying that it would suck to "change" the characters, but what if this is not a change at all, just an aspect of their character that they haven't felt comfortable enough to reveal yet? I've pointed out upthread a very VERY plausible reason why Tali might be romancable to a female Shepard in ME3 but not in ME2, and similar reasonings could work for Garrus, Jack or even Kaidan.

I agree that Bioware would have to handle it delicately. I agree that suddenly "changing" the character is not good. But "revealing" more about the character is a wonderful way to give them depth. And not everyone who is bisexual is open about it... not to mention that in reality, many people struggle with same-sex feelings and sit on them way, WAY longer than opposite sex feelings. I'm a perfect example; it took me about two months to get up the courage to openly confess my feelings to a guy friend, whereas it took me three years to even get up the courage to *mildly flirt* with a female friend. I could see characters like Tali and Kaidan struggling with that same feeling... "I like Shepard, but what will people think? Does this mean I'm gay? But I like boys/girls! But I want to do unmentionable things to Shepard! Will she/he be grossed out? Is she/he bisexual?" That's at least good for one game's worth of hand-wringing and silence right there. :D

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Actually, I think I heard somewhere that Bioware intended for Tali to be romanceable in ME1 (I'm currently looking for proof), but changed it.

And what does having a character BECOME romanceable have to do with  changing a character's sexual preference?

It actually is too late for that. It's the END OF SHEPARD'S STORY, ME3 will be about defeating the Reapers, not building a team (which is good for romance development), and they are ALREADY STRAIGHT.

Also, once again, If this was ME1, I wouldn't care.


See, that is where you fail. Please tell me where it was confirmed/implied that Ashley wasn't BI in ME1? Please tell me where it was confirmed/implied that Kaiden wasn't BI in ME1? Please tell me where it was confirmed/implied that Miranda/Jack/Thane/Jacob wasn't BI in ME2?

You talk about "changing" a character's sexual preference, when it was never really detailed what their sexual preference was. For all we know, Miranda could be BI, but she wasn't BI in ME2.....but that doesn't mean she can't be BI in ME3 because it was NEVER confirmed that she only was into men and wasn't into women. So your case about changing a character's sexual preference is just as a complete fail. Try again.

Also about it being the end of Shepard's story, thus meaning that he/she cannot find a new romance is just pure weakness. A cloud in the sky has more strength then your statement. Bioware has not confirmed that there will be new romances in Mass Effect 3, but since KOTOR (And I guess Neverwinter Knights/BG/BG2....I never played those games) there has ALWAYS been a romance option. So yeah, ME3 ends the Shepard story arch, but it is also developed as a stand alone game. So if I never played ME1 or ME2, I can still jump into ME3 and experience to same great Bioware story telling....including romances.

Again yet another reply from you and you are STILL avoiding the question as to why you don't support say....Miranda or any other ME2 romance being BI in ME3 but yet you support Tali being a romance option in ME2 when she wasn't in ME1. It isn't too late for Thane to go BI in ME3 just like it wasn't too late for Tali to be romanceable in ME2. And please do not say "Thane is straight in ME1" because while he might not have been a male on male romance option, that doesn't confirm anything about his sexual preference, same with the rest of the characters

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Yeoman Kenny would have been pretty awesome.

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Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

What? When did I say that ALL homosexuals are effiminate? That wasn't said ONCE by me.

Accusing me of trolling? REALLY? I want to discuss this, not watch arguments. I haven't made one insulting statement to anyone here. Me and my brethren? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How am I wrong? 

Prove it.


When I said that it is impossible to determine if someone is homosexual from a few brief conversations, you dismissed that idea as if it were self-evident. Which it is not. That right there tells me that you AREN'T LISTENING.

So whatever dude, have fun, and make sure you buy the new DLC coming soon to all platforms! It's called Arrival™, and if you think you know what's coming, you're in for a big surprise. And by big surprise I mean penis.


:blink:

I'm in for a big penis?

WHAT? That is not funny and comments like that take away from this discussion.


Boo-flippin'-hoo. I've already given your topic WAY more consideration that it ever merited. If my humor offends you, too bad, so sad, I suggest you get glad in the same pants you got mad in. I'm only treating the subject matter with the depth and sensitivity that you've shown yourself, so you only have yourself to blame, brah.


I don't want to start a flame war, but if you are going to be like this, then will you kindly

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coolair74 wrote...


Never said I agree with it.  If it was my choice, if you chose a femshep, the Kelly would have been changed to Kenny the brighteyed Yoeman eager to service your womanhood. They are pandering to the fapfap teenage boys here nothing more.  I think I may try and play as a femshep and see if anything major changes, I seriously doubt it. 

I think we all got derailed from the main point, changing the characters now is just bad juju. It wouldnt make any difference in my game since me and Miranda are a thing in one save and I have Liara in another.

Actually in my Liara save I still have Miranda too, wonder how thats gonna work, threesome maybe ? Huzza!


Again, you're ignoring my main point. What if this is not "changing" the characters but rather revealing a side to them that they'd been dealing with in secret up until now? Maybe Kaidan's been in love with Man!Shep for three years but been too afraid of homophobic comments or rejection to speak up. I agree that it would suck to have him be, "SUDDENLY I LUST FOR YOU," but I think it would be *awesome* to reveal that some of these characters have been quietly carrying torches for you... and that Male!Shep and Female!Shep may have been carrying a few torches of their own.

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MajesticJazz wrote...

Again yet another reply from you and you are STILL avoiding the question as to why you don't support say....Miranda or any other ME2 romance being BI in ME3 but yet you support Tali being a romance option in ME2 when she wasn't in ME1. It isn't too late for Thane to go BI in ME3 just like it wasn't too late for Tali to be romanceable in ME2. And please do not say "Thane is straight in ME1" because while he might not have been a male on male romance option, that doesn't confirm anything about his sexual preference, same with the rest of the characters

It is never too late as long as it is written well, and honestly at this point it should probably be initiated by Shepard so there are no unwanted advances.

Also adding intent markers to statements would make this easier.

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I am a bit puzzled by the original post. Unlike some other BW titles I never felt that I was being trapped into a romance by accident. The non-hetero group happens to play games too and thus is a potential market. Instead of ignoring them BW serves them with the same kind of attention and respect as the hetero group. I think that's a good thing and I hope they'll never give in to the homophobes.

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Naltair wrote...
I have in fact, it is a fun game.

What they did with Sky and Silk Fox, that's what I think is good.

No they matter to everyone

Sorry, your views about how you treat people, or how people in your environment treat people don't matter to me. That's what's a fact, since I know fairly well what matters to me.

I don't agree with this unless he was intedned to be bisexual, there is a reason why some choices are not available to all Shepards.

Nonsensical reasons. They just decided gay men could not romance Kaidan. That's all. "But Kaidan is heterosexual!". Or not. Kaidan can be what the developers want him to be. He can perfectly can be heterosexual if Shepard is a woman and gay if Shepard is a man, just like Sky in Jade Empire. He would be bisexual only if he wanted to romance a man and a woman within the same profile.

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Meaning you romance Jack as a woman and I do so as a man, they may differ in some areas but it's overall the same experience in the end.

But that is a good thing. That is exactly how I think it should be. Everyone gets to experience the same game. Same possibilities. Equality.

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UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Again, you're ignoring my main point. What if this is not "changing" the characters but rather revealing a side to them that they'd been dealing with in secret up until now? Maybe Kaidan's been in love with Man!Shep for three years but been too afraid of homophobic comments or rejection to speak up. I agree that it would suck to have him be, "SUDDENLY I LUST FOR YOU," but I think it would be *awesome* to reveal that some of these characters have been quietly carrying torches for you... and that Male!Shep and Female!Shep may have been carrying a few torches of their own.

As long as Male Shepard get's equal treatment sure.  The problem I see is that it's mostly current female LIs that people want to change to bisexual which makes the whole idea suspect to me.

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AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I am a bit puzzled by the original post. Unlike some other BW titles I never felt that I was being trapped into a romance by accident. The non-hetero group happens to play games too and thus is a potential market. Instead of ignoring them BW serves them with the same kind of attention and respect as the hetero group. I think that's a good thing and I hope they'll never give in to the homophobes.


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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I don't want to start a flame war, but if you are going to be like this, then will you kindly

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HAPPILY.

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MajesticJazz wrote...

And yet you STILL HAVE FAILED to answer my question regarding Bioware's 180 stance about Tali in ME1 vs ME2.


This is note entirely accurate. Tali was essentially a codex in avatar form during Mass Effect. Frankly, although her personality held a certain subtle intrigue she was a partial blank slate. They did not do a complete 180 on her character, sexuality or anything. They merely provided her with depth and development.

Why the romance? Fanservice.

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MajesticJazz wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Actually, I think I heard somewhere that Bioware intended for Tali to be romanceable in ME1 (I'm currently looking for proof), but changed it.

And what does having a character BECOME romanceable have to do with  changing a character's sexual preference?

It actually is too late for that. It's the END OF SHEPARD'S STORY, ME3 will be about defeating the Reapers, not building a team (which is good for romance development), and they are ALREADY STRAIGHT.

Also, once again, If this was ME1, I wouldn't care.


See, that is where you fail. Please tell me where it was confirmed/implied that Ashley wasn't BI in ME1? Please tell me where it was confirmed/implied that Kaiden wasn't BI in ME1? Please tell me where it was confirmed/implied that Miranda/Jack/Thane/Jacob wasn't BI in ME2?

You talk about "changing" a character's sexual preference, when it was never really detailed what their sexual preference was. For all we know, Miranda could be BI, but she wasn't BI in ME2.....but that doesn't mean she can't be BI in ME3 because it was NEVER confirmed that she only was into men and wasn't into women. So your case about changing a character's sexual preference is just as a complete fail. Try again.

Also about it being the end of Shepard's story, thus meaning that he/she cannot find a new romance is just pure weakness. A cloud in the sky has more strength then your statement. Bioware has not confirmed that there will be new romances in Mass Effect 3, but since KOTOR (And I guess Neverwinter Knights/BG/BG2....I never played those games) there has ALWAYS been a romance option. So yeah, ME3 ends the Shepard story arch, but it is also developed as a stand alone game. So if I never played ME1 or ME2, I can still jump into ME3 and experience to same great Bioware story telling....including romances.

Again yet another reply from you and you are STILL avoiding the question as to why you don't support say....Miranda or any other ME2 romance being BI in ME3 but yet you support Tali being a romance option in ME2 when she wasn't in ME1. It isn't too late for Thane to go BI in ME3 just like it wasn't too late for Tali to be romanceable in ME2. And please do not say "Thane is straight in ME1" because while he might not have been a male on male romance option, that doesn't confirm anything about his sexual preference, same with the rest of the characters


I agree with all this, but to put it in another form -

Just because someone likes the opposite sex does not mean they are DEFINITELY straight.
Just because someone likes the same sex does not mean they are DEFINITELY gay.
Just because someone does not rush to romance Shepard does not mean they are DEFINITELY gay, bi, or straight.
Just because someone does rush to romance Shepard does not mean they are DEFINITELY gay, bi, or straight.


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UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

What? When did I say that ALL homosexuals are effiminate? That wasn't said ONCE by me.

Accusing me of trolling? REALLY? I want to discuss this, not watch arguments. I haven't made one insulting statement to anyone here. Me and my brethren? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How am I wrong? 

Prove it.


When I said that it is impossible to determine if someone is homosexual from a few brief conversations, you dismissed that idea as if it were self-evident. Which it is not. That right there tells me that you AREN'T LISTENING.

So whatever dude, have fun, and make sure you buy the new DLC coming soon to all platforms! It's called Arrival™, and if you think you know what's coming, you're in for a big surprise. And by big surprise I mean penis.


:blink:

I'm in for a big penis?

WHAT? That is not funny and comments like that take away from this discussion.


Ramirez, you haven't replied to my comments. You keep saying that it would suck to "change" the characters, but what if this is not a change at all, just an aspect of their character that they haven't felt comfortable enough to reveal yet? I've pointed out upthread a very VERY plausible reason why Tali might be romancable to a female Shepard in ME3 but not in ME2, and similar reasonings could work for Garrus, Jack or even Kaidan.

I agree that Bioware would have to handle it delicately. I agree that suddenly "changing" the character is not good. But "revealing" more about the character is a wonderful way to give them depth. And not everyone who is bisexual is open about it... not to mention that in reality, many people struggle with same-sex feelings and sit on them way, WAY longer than opposite sex feelings. I'm a perfect example; it took me about two months to get up the courage to openly confess my feelings to a guy friend, whereas it took me three years to even get up the courage to *mildly flirt* with a female friend. I could see characters like Tali and Kaidan struggling with that same feeling... "I like Shepard, but what will people think? Does this mean I'm gay? But I like boys/girls! But I want to do unmentionable things to Shepard! Will she/he be grossed out? Is she/he bisexual?" That's at least good for one game's worth of hand-wringing and silence right there. :D


Not to sound rude, but do I have to reply to your comments?

And "revealing" things about characters is changing them, too. Look, not everything needs to be done just to appease folks, because appeasing eveyone is not possible. Also, I find that characters who were straight before suddenly are bisexual for some reason at THE END of a series, to just be awkward.

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Nyoka wrote...
Sorry, your views about how you treat people, or how people in your environment treat people don't matter to me. That's what's a fact, since I know fairly well what matters to me.

These are not my views these are the views of the world I am not saying we judge everyone and we are all sexually deviants I am just saying that we treat genders differently.  If this is not the case then children at the age of 3 or so would not recognize early on that there is an actuial difference in gender.  If you deny this then I am not sure we can have an intellectual conversation about this subject.

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Nonsensical reasons. They just decided gay men could not romance Kaidan. That's all. "But Kaidan is heterosexual!". Or not. Kaidan can be what the developers want him to be. He can perfectly can be heterosexual if Shepard is a woman and gay is Shepard is a man, just like Sky in Jade Empire. He would be bisexual only if he wanted to romance a man and a woman within the same profile.

To you perhaps, but it makes sense narrative wise, it makes for an internally consistent narrative where Shepard can make choices and the world shifts in accordance to those changes, but there are features that are consistent from world to world.  Those features include characters.

I would rather have different experiences for male characters as opposed to female characters because that better represents life and gives a more dramatic feeling then no matter what gender I am, I am Shepard and everyone will love me.  Maybe it can be done, but I am not sure I would like it to be done.

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By the way, I can totally picture this:

- But Jack, I thought you didn't swing that way.
- Yeah, well, **** that.

It suits her character :-)

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UsagiVindaloo

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Naltair wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Again, you're ignoring my main point. What if this is not "changing" the characters but rather revealing a side to them that they'd been dealing with in secret up until now? Maybe Kaidan's been in love with Man!Shep for three years but been too afraid of homophobic comments or rejection to speak up. I agree that it would suck to have him be, "SUDDENLY I LUST FOR YOU," but I think it would be *awesome* to reveal that some of these characters have been quietly carrying torches for you... and that Male!Shep and Female!Shep may have been carrying a few torches of their own.

As long as Male Shepard get's equal treatment sure.  The problem I see is that it's mostly current female LIs that people want to change to bisexual which makes the whole idea suspect to me.



That I fully agree with. I'm mostly harping on Tali because she's the easiest character to point out the "reveal" for (she's shy, she sort of already has a crush on Fem!Shep, etc). Personally my votes for more MaleShep gay romances would be Kaidan (secretly carrying a torch for years but too ashamed to say anything) and Garrus (same dynamic as female Shepard: Well, if it's YOU, then okay). I know Thane would be an obvious choice, but I think it's for that reason that I almost like him straight... but I wouldn't mind him opening up to the possibility of hot manShep action. ^_^

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Whatever42

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If everyone is bisexual in the future, why would there still be homophobia?

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ADLegend21

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LI's should be shepard sexual. where they all have a thing for the player. Problem solved.Image IPB