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[UsagiVindaloo]

Naltair wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

This I will grant you. On the other hand, the internet has introduced a new element to the discussion, because whereas different people used to be the Other (i.e. that guy in the village over there, let's kill him!), they're now the people we are posting on forums with, sharing info with, and learning more about. Your point is very valid, but I do think that the net may speed up the evolution of understanding different perspectives, if only because we are exposed to them.

I think it will help and hinder, the ebst thing about the internet is you can find a source that caters to your world view.  You only expose yourself to what you want to be exposed to, usually.

This is true. I admit I've stuck more with the "liberal" corners of the net (though I'm too much of a carebear to really fit in) so as you say, you get exposed more to one viewpoint than others. However, we also have, well, forums like this where it's a game or hobby that's bringing us all together. We usually find plenty of people who agree with us and plenty of people who think we're idiots. I always like to listen to both sides and try to find a way to bring everyone to the center, even just to get everyone to the point of, "I totally disagree, but I understand and respect why the other side feels that way."

In other words, why can't we all be more like Paragon Shepard? :innocent:

[UsagiVindaloo]

coolair74 wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

I get what you're saying, though I understand why Naltair is getting hurt by this. We can certainly argue without insulting each other as people. We're all people, we're all friends brought together by this awesome game, so let's work together to find a solution that makes everyone equally happy. "

Friends, really? I have you seen any thread pertaining to ME2's plotholes? This forum is more akin to the merc bands lobbied into a battle royale; alliances will be made, enemies established, carnage and mayhem ensuing with only the last one standing having the correct opinion!

At this point, no one has been left standing. Just a whole lot of carnage and mayhem. So we're friends... with shotguns and assault rifles.

And before anyone says anything! Click this

This thread felt the need to dial down the serious.

What's a little shotgun blast between friends?

(actually, seriously, I wish I'd had the option to punch Wrex during Virmire without killing him and basically smacked him into submission. Not because I don't love Wrex - I do! - but because it seems a particularly krogan sort of friendship. )

I punched him and he lived?  eh?

Wait, really? Huh, that's odd. I tried the "got his armor" and the Intimidate option, but both versions talked him down, neither punched him. How do I punch him?

[coolair74]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Naltair wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

This I will grant you. On the other hand, the internet has introduced a new element to the discussion, because whereas different people used to be the Other (i.e. that guy in the village over there, let's kill him!), they're now the people we are posting on forums with, sharing info with, and learning more about. Your point is very valid, but I do think that the net may speed up the evolution of understanding different perspectives, if only because we are exposed to them.

I think it will help and hinder, the ebst thing about the internet is you can find a source that caters to your world view.  You only expose yourself to what you want to be exposed to, usually.

This is true. I admit I've stuck more with the "liberal" corners of the net (though I'm too much of a carebear to really fit in) so as you say, you get exposed more to one viewpoint than others. However, we also have, well, forums like this where it's a game or hobby that's bringing us all together. We usually find plenty of people who agree with us and plenty of people who think we're idiots. I always like to listen to both sides and try to find a way to bring everyone to the center, even just to get everyone to the point of, "I totally disagree, but I understand and respect why the other side feels that way."

In other words, why can't we all be more like Paragon Shepard? :innocent:

Because Renegade Shepard pimpslapped him and sent him packing.

[coolair74]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

I get what you're saying, though I understand why Naltair is getting hurt by this. We can certainly argue without insulting each other as people. We're all people, we're all friends brought together by this awesome game, so let's work together to find a solution that makes everyone equally happy. "

Friends, really? I have you seen any thread pertaining to ME2's plotholes? This forum is more akin to the merc bands lobbied into a battle royale; alliances will be made, enemies established, carnage and mayhem ensuing with only the last one standing having the correct opinion!

At this point, no one has been left standing. Just a whole lot of carnage and mayhem. So we're friends... with shotguns and assault rifles.

And before anyone says anything! Click this

This thread felt the need to dial down the serious.

What's a little shotgun blast between friends?

(actually, seriously, I wish I'd had the option to punch Wrex during Virmire without killing him and basically smacked him into submission. Not because I don't love Wrex - I do! - but because it seems a particularly krogan sort of friendship. )

I punched him and he lived?  eh?

Wait, really? Huh, that's odd. I tried the "got his armor" and the Intimidate option, but both versions talked him down, neither punched him. How do I punch him?

I thought that I punched first then talked him down by telling him , KROGAN BAD!

[UsagiVindaloo]

coolair74 wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Naltair wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

This I will grant you. On the other hand, the internet has introduced a new element to the discussion, because whereas different people used to be the Other (i.e. that guy in the village over there, let's kill him!), they're now the people we are posting on forums with, sharing info with, and learning more about. Your point is very valid, but I do think that the net may speed up the evolution of understanding different perspectives, if only because we are exposed to them.

I think it will help and hinder, the ebst thing about the internet is you can find a source that caters to your world view.  You only expose yourself to what you want to be exposed to, usually.

This is true. I admit I've stuck more with the "liberal" corners of the net (though I'm too much of a carebear to really fit in) so as you say, you get exposed more to one viewpoint than others. However, we also have, well, forums like this where it's a game or hobby that's bringing us all together. We usually find plenty of people who agree with us and plenty of people who think we're idiots. I always like to listen to both sides and try to find a way to bring everyone to the center, even just to get everyone to the point of, "I totally disagree, but I understand and respect why the other side feels that way."

In other words, why can't we all be more like Paragon Shepard? :innocent:

Because Renegade Shepard pimpslapped him and sent him packing.

Utterly off topic (lol) but one thing I'm finding as I'm replaying the game as a Paragade is how... BADASS Paragon Shepard is. I mean, most of her interrupts are even more pimpslappy than Renegade, and at several points I've ended up sticking with the Paragon responses specifically because it sounds more ****y. I think the best quote for Paragon Shepard comes from LOTR: ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR.

[Bourne Endeavor]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

I get what you're saying, though I understand why Naltair is getting hurt by this. We can certainly argue without insulting each other as people. We're all people, we're all friends brought together by this awesome game, so let's work together to find a solution that makes everyone equally happy. "

Friends, really? I have you seen any thread pertaining to ME2's plotholes? This forum is more akin to the merc bands lobbied into a battle royale; alliances will be made, enemies established, carnage and mayhem ensuing with only the last one standing having the correct opinion!

At this point, no one has been left standing. Just a whole lot of carnage and mayhem. So we're friends... with shotguns and assault rifles.

And before anyone says anything! Click this

This thread felt the need to dial down the serious.

What's a little shotgun blast between friends?

(actually, seriously, I wish I'd had the option to punch Wrex during Virmire without killing him and basically smacked him into submission. Not because I don't love Wrex - I do! - but because it seems a particularly krogan sort of friendship. )

Depends on the friend. Vasir proved she could handle a hail of bullets and a car crash. She must really love you!

You do not punch Wrex, that is not the Krogan style. You headbutt him!

Of course, the really solution is to just have Tali deal with him.

[UsagiVindaloo]

coolair74 wrote...

I thought that I punched first then talked him down by telling him , KROGAN BAD!

Really? Dangit, totally missed that. Think I was a bit nervous about getting him shot by Ashley. Ah well, moment has passed now.

[coolair74]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

I get what you're saying, though I understand why Naltair is getting hurt by this. We can certainly argue without insulting each other as people. We're all people, we're all friends brought together by this awesome game, so let's work together to find a solution that makes everyone equally happy. "

Friends, really? I have you seen any thread pertaining to ME2's plotholes? This forum is more akin to the merc bands lobbied into a battle royale; alliances will be made, enemies established, carnage and mayhem ensuing with only the last one standing having the correct opinion!

At this point, no one has been left standing. Just a whole lot of carnage and mayhem. So we're friends... with shotguns and assault rifles.

And before anyone says anything! Click this

This thread felt the need to dial down the serious.

What's a little shotgun blast between friends?

(actually, seriously, I wish I'd had the option to punch Wrex during Virmire without killing him and basically smacked him into submission. Not because I don't love Wrex - I do! - but because it seems a particularly krogan sort of friendship. )

Depends on the friend. Vasir proved she could handle a hail of bullets and a car crash. She must really love you!

You do not punch Wrex, that is not the Krogan style. You headbutt him!

Of course, the really solution is to just have Tali deal with him.

Oh yes yes, now I remember , no puchy. I used the Paragon option to talk him down.

[Centauri2002]

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

[coolair74]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Naltair wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

This I will grant you. On the other hand, the internet has introduced a new element to the discussion, because whereas different people used to be the Other (i.e. that guy in the village over there, let's kill him!), they're now the people we are posting on forums with, sharing info with, and learning more about. Your point is very valid, but I do think that the net may speed up the evolution of understanding different perspectives, if only because we are exposed to them.

I think it will help and hinder, the ebst thing about the internet is you can find a source that caters to your world view.  You only expose yourself to what you want to be exposed to, usually.

This is true. I admit I've stuck more with the "liberal" corners of the net (though I'm too much of a carebear to really fit in) so as you say, you get exposed more to one viewpoint than others. However, we also have, well, forums like this where it's a game or hobby that's bringing us all together. We usually find plenty of people who agree with us and plenty of people who think we're idiots. I always like to listen to both sides and try to find a way to bring everyone to the center, even just to get everyone to the point of, "I totally disagree, but I understand and respect why the other side feels that way."

In other words, why can't we all be more like Paragon Shepard? :innocent:

Because Renegade Shepard pimpslapped him and sent him packing.

Utterly off topic (lol) but one thing I'm finding as I'm replaying the game as a Paragade is how... BADASS Paragon Shepard is. I mean, most of her interrupts are even more pimpslappy than Renegade, and at several points I've ended up sticking with the Paragon responses specifically because it sounds more ****y. I think the best quote for Paragon Shepard comes from LOTR: ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR.

I generally go Paragon until there is a scene where the renegade option is funny.

Give up your weapons!

Ill give you one bullet, where do you want it?

[coolair74]

centauri2002 wrote...

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

Liara is NOT female, geez.  Just looks female. SO its not gay, its alien and weird.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

centauri2002 wrote...

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

Now that I look at it, the title may give the notion of being homophobic. I won't change it because it's too late in the thread, though.

[Centauri2002]

coolair74 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

Liara is NOT female, geez.  Just looks female. SO its not gay, its alien and weird.

I didn't say that and you've missed my point. As far as I'm aware there are no aliens living on Earth, wishing to play ME at the moment, so we can safely say the Liara/Shep romance isn't there to appeal to alien players. She looks female and therefore she appeals to me as a romance option with my FemShep.

[UsagiVindaloo]

coolair74 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

Liara is NOT female, geez.  Just looks female. SO its not gay, its alien and weird.

Oddly enough, whether I consider Shepard/Liara lesbian or just "alien" is based on how much I envision a particular Shepard already knowing about other races. I mean, you can play Shepard as someone who knows nothing about asari at all... in which case I would say that at least from Shepard's perspective, it's a lesbian relationship (because Shepard would probably equate asari as female without necessarily "getting" the monogendered thing). If you play Shepard as already knowing all this (skipping all the Investigation), then it's probably a bit more of a... um... a... er... I don't know what you would call it, but whatever dating a genderless alien would be. Xenophile?

I get what the argument is about Liara etc not actually being female, but I suppose there's also an element of whether Shepard herself sees Liara as "she" or "it" (if you know what I mean).

EDIT: In hindsight, that may have come off as insensitive to transgender or queer gendered people. I didn't mean that Shepard's inability to comprehend asari gender trumps Liara's gender identity or anything. I meant it more in terms of how Shepard herself would identify herself and the relationship. If she's still not totally understanding how asari work, she would probably default to assuming Liara is a woman, and thus be attracted (or not attracted) accordingly (i.e. "I like women, she looks like a woman.") If Shepard has a bit more understanding of how asari work, it might be a bit more complex (i.e. "I am attracted specifically to this alien, which doesn't say anything about whether I'm gay or straight because there's no gender to begin with.")

Modifié par UsagiVindaloo, 22 mars 2011 - 09:45 .

[Centauri2002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

Now that I look at it, the title may give the notion of being homophobic. I won't change it because it's too late in the thread, though.

No worries. All it took was a quick read of your post to see that it was nothing of the sort. If anyone replies without reading it then they're just proving that they don't deserve to be paid attention to. >.>

[Centauri2002]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

Liara is NOT female, geez.  Just looks female. SO its not gay, its alien and weird.

Oddly enough, whether I consider Shepard/Liara lesbian or just "alien" is based on how much I envision a particular Shepard already knowing about other races. I mean, you can play Shepard as someone who knows nothing about asari at all... in which case I would say that at least from Shepard's perspective, it's a lesbian relationship (because Shepard would probably equate asari as female without necessarily "getting" the monogendered thing). If you play Shepard as already knowing all this (skipping all the Investigation), then it's probably a bit more of a... um... a... er... I don't know what you would call it, but whatever dating a genderless alien would be. Xenophile?

I get what the argument is about Liara etc not actually being female, but I suppose there's also an element of whether Shepard herself sees Liara as "she" or "it" (if you know what I mean).

EDIT: In hindsight, that may have come off as insensitive to transgender or queer gendered people. I didn't mean that Shepard's inability to comprehend asari gender trumps Liara's gender identity or anything. I meant it more in terms of how Shepard herself would identify herself and the relationship. If she's still not totally understanding how asari work, she would probably default to assuming Liara is a woman, and thus be attracted (or not attracted) accordingly (i.e. "I like women, she looks like a woman.") If Shepard has a bit more understanding of how asari work, it might be a bit more complex (i.e. "I am attracted specifically to this alien, which doesn't say anything about whether I'm gay or straight because there's no gender to begin with.")

I happen to agree with you and that would definitely be the case with character perception, but the original point was concerning player perception, I believe. Hence why I answered the way I did. A few posters here seem to have a problem differentiating between the two. >.>

[UsagiVindaloo]

One thing I wish this entire forum would remember on occasion is that everyone may have played the same game but everyone got different things out of it. We all have our own opinions, and moreover, we all have "evidence" to back up our opinions. That doesn't make any of us wrong, it means that we all picked up on different clues or interpreted different elements. For example, we can debate all day long about whether the ME2 crew is staying or leaving after the Collectors are finished, and each side can point to at least five reasons why they're right. These are all intelligent, rational players, just picking up on different stuff.

So you (general you) look at the clues and think that they indicate that Garrus is completely straight. And that's fine. Just realize that someone else may be looking at the exact same clues and reaching a conclusion that Garrus is actually bisexual. And *that's fine too*. It doesn't make them an idiot, or you an idiot, or anyone an idiot. Just different people with different perspectives. And thus, if ME3 has a purely straight Garrus, that matches one interpretation... if they "change" him to be bisexual, that matches another interpretation. No one is pulling anything out of their butt.

... well, okay, if Morinth ends up being a secret superhero who snuggles puppies on her spare time and helps little old ladies across the street, I'll probably raise an eyebrow. Though that would actually be a hilarious and awesome character twist.

[coolair74]

centauri2002 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

Liara is NOT female, geez.  Just looks female. SO its not gay, its alien and weird.

I didn't say that and you've missed my point. As far as I'm aware there are no aliens living on Earth, wishing to play ME at the moment, so we can safely say the Liara/Shep romance isn't there to appeal to alien players. She looks female and therefore she appeals to me as a romance option with my FemShep.

Teenage boyz play as femshep, that is all. And sex sells.

[Centauri2002]

coolair74 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

Liara is NOT female, geez.  Just looks female. SO its not gay, its alien and weird.

I didn't say that and you've missed my point. As far as I'm aware there are no aliens living on Earth, wishing to play ME at the moment, so we can safely say the Liara/Shep romance isn't there to appeal to alien players. She looks female and therefore she appeals to me as a romance option with my FemShep.

Teenage boyz play as femshep, that is all. And sex sells.

That is, sadly, true. But that doesn't mean they're the only people who play as FemShep and the rest of us should be considered in the final product as well.

[UsagiVindaloo]

[quote]coolair74 wrote...


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Teenage boyz play as femshep, that is all. And sex sells.
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Didn't they actually do a survey that indicated there were fewer teen boys playing FemShep than originally imagined?

And I admit, I am 100% against the idea of breaking down FemShep vs ManShep in terms of gender or sexual preference. I'm a woman, and I play Male Shepard and Female Shepard equally. I love the former's Paragon acting and the latter's Renegade delivery, I love the LIs for both, I find Female Shepard a cool and interesting female character, and I like the look I've created for my male Shepard (hey, if I'm going to be staring at him for ages, may as well like what I'm looking at :3)

I know my experience doesn't speak for everyone, but it's too simplistic to say that Female Shepard is for girl gamers and teenage boys only, any more than Male Shepard is only for manly men who want to enact fantasies of being Captain Kirk and boning hot alien babes. Some manly men enjoy hearing Jennifer Hale's cold and cruel delivery. And some girls want to bang hot alien babes too.

[coolair74]

centauri2002 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

At first I saw the topic title and thought "yet another bigoted post" but I was, thankfully, proven wrong. I actually see the OPs point and agree with it. I don't want to see existing characters within the franchise suddenly and drastically change to appease anyone. I would be just as annoyed if, for example, Ashley suddenly started hitting on my FemShep as I would be if Liara suddenly didn't love her. I strongly dislike OOCness, in any medium.

That said, I would very much support a new LI that is purely gay (or bi if the naysayers are really that rabid) in ME3. We're always getting bisexual or heterosexual romance options in BioWare games but I've yet to see a purely gay one. I'd like for that to be an option at some point. But that's not the point of this.

I'm happy with the current LIs in Mass Effect, though. Then again, as a lesbian, this is likely only because my interests are already represented within the game. I feel bad for those looking for a male/male relationship. We're not talking sex here, although it does usually boil down to that unfortunately, but emotional development. After what I saw them do with the development in Lair of the Shadow Broker, I want to see much more of that.

Perhaps in a future game series, we'll see a little of what everybody desires in it.

Liara is NOT female, geez.  Just looks female. SO its not gay, its alien and weird.

I didn't say that and you've missed my point. As far as I'm aware there are no aliens living on Earth, wishing to play ME at the moment, so we can safely say the Liara/Shep romance isn't there to appeal to alien players. She looks female and therefore she appeals to me as a romance option with my FemShep.

Teenage boyz play as femshep, that is all. And sex sells.

That is, sadly, true. But that doesn't mean they're the only people who play as FemShep and the rest of us should be considered in the final product as well.

Well this isnt Dragon Age.  Your playing a narrative. Male Shep is straiGHt. He was written this way and the Devs have said they arnt going to change that. At least so far.

Its a great game with a great plot and some deverse characters, changing it now would just muttle things up.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

coolair74 wrote...




Teenage boyz play as femshep, that is all. And sex sells.

Didn't they actually do a survey that indicated there were fewer teen boys playing FemShep than originally imagined?

And I admit, I am 100% against the idea of breaking down FemShep vs ManShep in terms of gender or sexual preference. I'm a woman, and I play Male Shepard and Female Shepard equally. I love the former's Paragon acting and the latter's Renegade delivery, I love the LIs for both, I find Female Shepard a cool and interesting female character, and I like the look I've created for my male Shepard (hey, if I'm going to be staring at him for ages, may as well like what I'm looking at :3)

I know my experience doesn't speak for everyone, but it's too simplistic to say that Female Shepard is for girl gamers and teenage boys only, any more than Male Shepard is only for manly men who want to enact fantasies of being Captain Kirk and boning hot alien babes. Some manly men enjoy hearing Jennifer Hale's cold and cruel delivery. And some girls want to bang hot alien babes too.

I play as Manshep and Femshep equally, myself. The only reason I prefer Manshep is TALI.  like both of them, really, and I'm a male.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 22 mars 2011 - 10:02 .

[Centauri2002]

coolair74 wrote...

Well this isnt Dragon Age.  Your playing a narrative. Male Shep is straiGHt. He was written this way and the Devs have said they arnt going to change that. At least so far.

Its a great game with a great plot and some deverse characters, changing it now would just muttle things up.

I did also say that I'd like to see a more diverse experience in a future game series. I like Mass Effect as it is, and I absolutely love its narrative style. Although, I really don't see how his sexuality would change him as a character but that's not the point of this. I'd like to see BioWare build on the previous two games, story and character-wise, instead of introducing a plethora of new features. :3

Edited: To take out the quote spam.

Modifié par centauri2002, 22 mars 2011 - 10:05 .

[RenownedRyan]

Nyoka wrote...

RenownedRyan wrote...
The problem there is that, at the end of the day, I didn't romance anyone in ME2.  I romanced Liara in ME1.  My other files have had no romance.  I enjoy the game just as well with no romances.  I dispute the argument that without video game romances people are somehow slighted or they cannot appreciate or enjoy the experience.

So you would rather completely remove romance from the game rather than allowing same sex relationships.

Or did you mean "not romancing is just fine, so gay people can play the game without romancing anyone"? Is that what you're saying? If that's the case, well, you might as well going one step beyond and call Mass effect a straight only game. No gays allowed. I you don't like it, you can git out.

Way to jump to conclusions.  My point was that it is no serious blow to your life if you don't romance someone in ME.  That's no neccessity.  I have the option but don't pursue it.  Nowhere was it insinuated that I belive Mass Effect is a straight only game.  But I sincerely do not believe that the quality of Mass Effect would be negatively effected without romances of any kind.