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[Quole]

centauri2002 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Quole wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

No one will be forcing Male Shep to jump any bones or have Fem shep make out with any women, so if you don't want Bisexual romances, don't romance them. Is that too hard to understand?

I believe the problem is that it would be a large retcon to change any characters in such a way.

EDIT: Adding characters like that wouldnt be a problem, but changing the ones now would.

I do not see how it would be a retcon if people realized they were shepard-sexual, I don't feel that Tali or Garrus becoming LIs in ME2 was a retcon because it simply took time for them to work out their emotions about Shep or some goodness like that. If Mordin suddenly wanted your vertigo stick, I would be weirded simply because Salarians don't have that kind of Sex drive (unless you are an Asari, but it seems that everyone is hot for the Asari). I have to ask though, would Samara being an LI for both Female and Male Shep be acceptable? Since Asari all seem to be bisexual and you can come onto her with either gender.

That's acceptable, to me at least. Because Femshep AND Manshep can come on to her.

But then she'd break her code and she refused to do that in ME2, which is taking her OOC somewhat (although it could arguably be explained), which brings it in line with the OOCness of making previously assumed straight characters bisexual. So, why is one okay whilst the other is not? 

Maybe Samara will realize how stupid her code is

[Centauri2002]

Quole wrote...

Maybe Samara will realize how stupid her code is

With how stubborn she is? I doubt that. >.> But it's a possibility! 

[Pwener2313]

Samara's code has nothing to do with her sex life. She can pursue romantic relations. She only chooses not to.

[Centauri2002]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Samara's code has nothing to do with her sex life. She can pursue romantic relations. She only chooses not to.

She's forsaken all worldly ties, including family, etc. That's part of her code. That wasn't important though, the question I was asking was why one OOC act is fine, while another is not. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 23 mars 2011 - 01:44 .

[Sajuro]

centauri2002 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Maybe Samara will realize how stupid her code is

With how stubborn she is? I doubt that. >.> But it's a possibility! 

you could indoctrinate her if you were desperate, since she has expressed interest in them already, it would be a matter of her inhibitions being lowered.

[Centauri2002]

Sajuro wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Maybe Samara will realize how stupid her code is

With how stubborn she is? I doubt that. >.> But it's a possibility! 

you could indoctrinate her if you were desperate, since she has expressed interest in them already, it would be a matter of her inhibitions being lowered.

I did say it was arguable. But, then, an explanation could be offered for a character revealing they were bisexual when they hadn't previously. I was just wondering why there was a bit of a double standard there by some people.

Modifié par centauri2002, 23 mars 2011 - 01:47 .

[Sajuro]

centauri2002 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Maybe Samara will realize how stupid her code is

With how stubborn she is? I doubt that. >.> But it's a possibility! 

you could indoctrinate her if you were desperate, since she has expressed interest in them already, it would be a matter of her inhibitions being lowered.

I did say it was arguable. But, then, an explanation could be offered for a character revealing they were bisexual when they hadn't previously. I was just wondering why there was a bit of a double standard there by some people.

Because human men don't have those funny bumps, just like turian women

[Pwener2313]

centauri2002 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Samara's code has nothing to do with her sex life. She can pursue romantic relations. She only chooses not to.

She's forsaken all worldly ties, including family, etc. That's part of her code. That wasn't important though, the question I was asking was why one OOC act is fine, while another is not. 

No, that is her own choice, not the code. she has indeed material possesins and an apartment in the asari homeworld (Check her Shadow Broker file).

[Centauri2002]

Pwener2313 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Samara's code has nothing to do with her sex life. She can pursue romantic relations. She only chooses not to.

She's forsaken all worldly ties, including family, etc. That's part of her code. That wasn't important though, the question I was asking was why one OOC act is fine, while another is not. 

No, that is her own choice, not the code. she has indeed material possesins and an apartment in the asari homeworld (Check her Shadow Broker file).

I didn't read those files. But if that's the case, it's her own moral code then. All of which is rather irrelevant since it's still not taken anything away from my point.

[Centauri2002]

Sajuro wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Maybe Samara will realize how stupid her code is

With how stubborn she is? I doubt that. >.> But it's a possibility! 

you could indoctrinate her if you were desperate, since she has expressed interest in them already, it would be a matter of her inhibitions being lowered.

I did say it was arguable. But, then, an explanation could be offered for a character revealing they were bisexual when they hadn't previously. I was just wondering why there was a bit of a double standard there by some people.

Because human men don't have those funny bumps, just like turian women

Of course, the funny bumps are to blame!

[Pwener2313]

Kaidan is rumored to be a clost case. I know Im contradicting myself, but he does seem like the type. Could be wrong though. But he was supposed to be a LI in ME1 for a male Shepard. There's the hacked video in YouTube and everything.

Modifié par Pwener2313, 23 mars 2011 - 01:57 .

[Pwener2313]

centauri2002 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Samara's code has nothing to do with her sex life. She can pursue romantic relations. She only chooses not to.

She's forsaken all worldly ties, including family, etc. That's part of her code. That wasn't important though, the question I was asking was why one OOC act is fine, while another is not. 

No, that is her own choice, not the code. she has indeed material possesins and an apartment in the asari homeworld (Check her Shadow Broker file).

I didn't read those files. But if that's the case, it's her own moral code then. All of which is rather irrelevant since it's still not taken anything away from my point.

[Julie the bogan]

Very well if you insist, although you simply asked if we agreed and disagreed
 
 
1. It cheapens the romances.
 
– Are you saying that adding a bi/gay character is a cheap romance if both sex’s can pursue it?
 
 

2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)

– What do you mean? My Shepard is my Shepard even though there are many like it (not trying to be a jackass it’s simply true). Will we ever see the VS again who knows, that’s not our choice.
 
 

3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
– Sorry no matter how pretty it looks, it will always be a game, game series of the century in my opinion but a game nevertheless. No not everybody in life is bisexual this is true, but games do provide “what if” scenarios for those interested.
 
 

4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.
 
– this is going to happen no matter what.
 
 

5. DA2 tried this, but if you ask me, it didn't feel as good as the ME romances.

– I liked the one I tried so again I simply disagree.
 
 

6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.
 
– For current li’s yes I agree, also the same with male Shepard, female Shepard will always have the bi vibe to me, intended or not.
 
 

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

– Awkward no, left field yes and lame not really, Seeing as I would be pretty surprised if they didn’t yoink dragon age 2’s dialog wheel there should be no unwelcome surprises


 
8. If at least ONE person that could have been bi, it should have been Jack (my opinion)

– Why because she has issues? But then that’s the point she has issues big ones, if I was playing my game I would have taken Jack straight back to prison just on reading her rap sheet. It’s not like I wouldn’t have given her the time of day I would like to help Jack, but she belongs in jail or at least a place where she can be monitored.

[lovgreno]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Case in point, Garrus and Tali were blatant and obvious fanservice.

Yes, no doubt. But fanservice is where the money is. If BioWare thinks there is profit in bi LIs in ME3 they will include those, even making old LIs previously belived to be straight discovering new feelings for Shepard. Bi seemed to work well in DA2 so perhaps that will influence BioWares decisions about ME3 LIs.

Modifié par lovgreno, 23 mars 2011 - 02:06 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Julie Shepard wrote...

Very well if you insist, although you simply asked if we agreed and disagreed
 
 
1. It cheapens the romances.
 
– Are you saying that adding a bi/gay character is a cheap romance if both sex’s can pursue it?
 
 

2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)

– What do you mean? My Shepard is my Shepard even though there are many like it (not trying to be a jackass it’s simply true). Will we ever see the VS again who knows, that’s not our choice.
 
 

3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
– Sorry no matter how pretty it looks, it will always be a game, game series of the century in my opinion but a game nevertheless. No not everybody in life is bisexual this is true, but games do provide “what if” scenarios for those interested.
 
 

4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.
 
– this is going to happen no matter what.
 
 

5. DA2 tried this, but if you ask me, it didn't feel as good as the ME romances.

– I liked the one I tried so again I simply disagree.
 
 

6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.
 
– For current li’s yes I agree, also the same with male Shepard, female Shepard will always have the bi vibe to me, intended or not.
 
 

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

– Awkward no, left field yes and lame not really, Seeing as I would be pretty surprised if they didn’t yoink dragon age 2’s dialog wheel there should be no unwelcome surprises


 
8. If at least ONE person that could have been bi, it should have been Jack (my opinion)

– Why because she has issues? But then that’s the point she has issues big ones, if I was playing my game I would have taken Jack straight back to prison just on reading her rap sheet. It’s not like I wouldn’t have given her the time of day I would like to help Jack, but she belongs in jail or at least a place where she can be monitored.

1. No, I'm saying that doing it NOW (after already setting the romances) will cheapen it.
2. Like I said, it's kind of like 1.
3. Not always.
4. Actually, for Tali I don't see this. So no, I don't think it will happen anyway.
5. Agree to disagree?
6. *skip*
7. For me, it's just retconning (if that's how you put it)
8. I did say it was MY opinion, didn't I?

[mopotter]

Quole wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Quole wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

No one will be forcing Male Shep to jump any bones or have Fem shep make out with any women, so if you don't want Bisexual romances, don't romance them. Is that too hard to understand?

I believe the problem is that it would be a large retcon to change any characters in such a way.

EDIT: Adding characters like that wouldnt be a problem, but changing the ones now would.

I do not see how it would be a retcon if people realized they were shepard-sexual, I don't feel that Tali or Garrus becoming LIs in ME2 was a retcon because it simply took time for them to work out their emotions about Shep or some goodness like that. If Mordin suddenly wanted your vertigo stick, I would be weirded simply because Salarians don't have that kind of Sex drive (unless you are an Asari, but it seems that everyone is hot for the Asari). I have to ask though, would Samara being an LI for both Female and Male Shep be acceptable? Since Asari all seem to be bisexual and you can come onto her with either gender.

That's acceptable, to me at least. Because Femshep AND Manshep can come on to her.

But then she'd break her code and she refused to do that in ME2, which is taking her OOC somewhat (although it could arguably be explained), which brings it in line with the OOCness of making previously assumed straight characters bisexual. So, why is one okay whilst the other is not? 

Maybe Samara will realize how stupid her code is

Don't,  just please don't.  This is the same reason people want Ash and Kaidan or any other "straight" character from ME1 or ME2, to be available.  They just realized they really were gay/lesbian/bisexual.  

Personally I think it would be a mistake to have Samara become available.  Samara's whole personalty revolvs around her code, having her suddenly say something different is something I would rather they not do.  Bring in Shiala, she hit on both of my Shepards in ME2. 

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Yeah, Shiala is a better choice.

[coolair74]

I would like to add that Jacob could be replaced with a copper spoon and no one would notice.

That is all.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

coolair74 wrote...

I would like to add that Jacob could be replaced with a copper spoon and no one would notice.

That is all.

LOL

[coolair74]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

I would like to add that Jacob could be replaced with a copper spoon and no one would notice.

That is all.

LOL

They shoulda went Shaft with him, All muth..uckin Collectors and this muth...uckin ship!!!

[NanQuan]

coolair74 wrote...

Actually Bi-sexual would not suffice since that implies 2 genders, what if there is another monosexual race? Or an asexual race that breed by sneezing out spores? Omni works a bit better.

Thing is , as ive stated 600 times, Shepard ISNT GAY. His character is not gay. In no way should that change now, even if you are gay, Shepard isnt, he isnt you , he is Shepard, strait man of liking the girls.

Let's be honest, Liara is female. Yes, yes, the asari are technically monogendered but if we're being honest they're really just a species of women. Seems pointless to kid ourselves about that but whatever, we can call Liara omnisexual. It doesn't change my previous point.

Can you refer me to a passage of the codex that states Shepard is heterosexual? Or a line of dialouge the bars him from being homosexual? I could easily make a gay maleshep. He might not get to romance anyone during ME1 or ME2, but he could certainly be gay if that's what I imagine him to be.  Also, what about femshep? She can certainly be homosexual. I would feel bad that guys don't have as many options as women do as to how to customize their shepards.

Can you refer me to a passage of the codex that states Shepard is ******/bisexual?

Lets just look at the facts, he likes girls, all the LI are girls. He talks to men like a strait man would, he has plutonic conversations but is endearing to his male shipmates. He has the option to tip strippers that are either Asari or female human.

THat is really all we to go on, so given this information , its a normal assumption that he would be strait.

Also, you can indeed customize Shepard, his appearance and his class/loadouts  and they give a brief choice of a background.  Just like any actor you are required to run the script as it is written.

That doesn't answer my question. Furthermore, I never insisted that the game placed a sexuality on shepard. I'm not fighting for shep to be ONLY bi/homosexual. I'm insisting that players have the right to choose.  In fact, my position is that the game DOES NOT pick a sexuality for him/her. The omission of a sexuality in the codex supports my argument.

How do we know Shep likes girls? Your shep may like girls, but another maleshep could completely ignore the women in the game, not romance any of them, and turn down all of their advances. Also your sentence "he talks to men like a straight man would" is really troubling. How does a straight man talk different from a gay man? Are you thinking of tv stereotypes? If there was a way that homosexual men talked that gave them away, then my best friend wouldn't get hit on by women all the time. People would also not assume he was straight.  Also, the tipping strippers line made me laugh. Shep can also NOT tip the strippers. Femshep can tip those strippers too. And most importantly, there are no male strippers period. And that's a reflection of society at large. It's more common to find a female stripper than a male stripper because the former's market is more successful. You can't apply what your maleshep does to everyone else's.

Oh, and you never answered my query about why female shep can be played bisexual, homosexual, or straight, but maleshep doesn't get any options. Seems unfair to male players.

[mopotter]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Kaidan is rumored to be a clost case. I know Im contradicting myself, but he does seem like the type. Could be wrong though. But he was supposed to be a LI in ME1 for a male Shepard. There's the hacked video in YouTube and everything.

He may have been "rumored" to be gay, or  "supposed to be" a male LI but he wasn't.  May have been, should have been  - but wasn't.  Changing his character or Ash's character in ME3 is just taking shortcuts because it's easy.  Easy is not right.  Bringing in new characters would be the only reasonable thing for giving people same sex romance options.  

Or a mod.  

[Ramirez Wolfen]

coolair74 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

I would like to add that Jacob could be replaced with a copper spoon and no one would notice.

That is all.

LOL

They shoulda went Shaft with him, All muth..uckin Collectors and this muth...uckin ship!!!

Speaking of Jacob, I really don't see him as bisexual.

[Julie the bogan]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

I would like to add that Jacob could be replaced with a copper spoon and no one would notice.

That is all.

LOL

They shoulda went Shaft with him, All muth..uckin Collectors and this muth...uckin ship!!!

Speaking of Jacob, I really don't see him as bisexual.

I don't really see him as anything... poor Jacob
Least hes a good shot