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[Ramirez Wolfen]

Nuav wrote...

y'all just mad cuz jacob's romance scene got all the action.

Jacob won the prize! XD

[Ramirez Wolfen]

I'm glad this thread made 29 pages.

[Lukertin]

LI should not be bisexual? the Liara fans will are disappoint.

[mopotter]

Addressed to OP, but since I for the most part agree, I'm putting my 2 cents worth in.

Julie Shepard wrote...

Very well if you insist, although you simply asked if we agreed and disagreed
 
 
1. It cheapens the romances.
 
– Are you saying that adding a bi/gay character is a cheap romance if both sex’s can pursue it?

NO.  I at least am saying they need to bring in separate characters that can be same sex romances, not change exhisting ones.  
  

2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)

– What do you mean? My Shepard is my Shepard even though there are many like it (not trying to be a jackass it’s simply true). Will we ever see the VS again who knows, that’s not our choice.

Chris has always said we will see the VS again.  The reason they were not included in the ME2 team was so they would play a large part in ME3.  I beleive him.  If I'm wrong, then I'll **** about it loudly.
 
 

3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
– Sorry no matter how pretty it looks, it will always be a game, game series of the century in my opinion but a game nevertheless. No not everybody in life is bisexual this is true, but games do provide “what if” scenarios for those interested.

It's a game.  It's a game I've invested money and time in.  A game with characters I've been interacting with for a years.  Many of my Shepards, male and female, have talked to Ash and talked to Kaidan about their lives and family.  Neither of them in any game ever indicated remotely that they were bi-sexual.  I want characters to be consistant.    I'm quite willing to have a "what if" scenario as long as it's with a charcter who is not allready developed.  
 

4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.
 
– this is going to happen no matter what.
 

  

True so there is no reason to make the change.  
 

5. DA2 tried this, but if you ask me, it didn't feel as good as the ME romances.

– I liked the one I tried so again I simply disagree.

 The romances in DA2 are ok, but it has reduced the number of games I play through.  The LI are not consistant so I will not do a male same sex romance, which I would have if one of them had been openly bisexual.  Isabela has allways been bisexual.  
 

6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.
 
– For current li’s yes I agree, also the same with male Shepard, female Shepard will always have the bi vibe to me, intended or not.

Well, this is the whole point.  Current LI should remain unchanged.  Additional same sex or bisexual characters should be added.
 
 

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

– Awkward no, left field yes and lame not really, Seeing as I would be pretty surprised if they didn’t yoink dragon age 2’s dialog wheel there should be no unwelcome surprises

Awkward not really a word I would have used.  cheap, stupid, lame, Yes I would use those words.   I'm not concerned about unwelcome surprises, the little hearts in DA2 irritate me but they are ok.  I'm interested in having a same sex romance that does not involve a character I've talked to and enjoyed from ME1 suddenly announcing that they are bisexual and lo and behold Shepard is what brought them to the light of reason.  

 

8. If at least ONE person that could have been bi, it should have been Jack (my opinion)

– Why because she has issues? But then that’s the point she has issues big ones, if I was playing my game I would have taken Jack straight back to prison just on reading her rap sheet. It’s not like I wouldn’t have given her the time of day I would like to help Jack, but she belongs in jail or at least a place where she can be monitored.

I don't see Jack as bisexual.  She has too many control issues.  I see her as using sex to control Shepard, to control men who usually have the power.  But that is probably just my own warped view.   

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Lukertin wrote...

LI should not be bisexual? the Liara fans will are disappoint.

Read the thread, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that pre existing LIs should not be made bi in ME3 (except for Liara because she already is)

[Ramirez Wolfen]

mopotter wrote...

Addressed to OP, but since I for the most part agree, I'm putting my 2 cents worth in.

Julie Shepard wrote...

Very well if you insist, although you simply asked if we agreed and disagreed
 
 
1. It cheapens the romances.
 
– Are you saying that adding a bi/gay character is a cheap romance if both sex’s can pursue it?

NO.  I at least am saying they need to bring in separate characters that can be same sex romances, not change exhisting ones.  
  

2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)

– What do you mean? My Shepard is my Shepard even though there are many like it (not trying to be a jackass it’s simply true). Will we ever see the VS again who knows, that’s not our choice.

Chris has always said we will see the VS again.  The reason they were not included in the ME2 team was so they would play a large part in ME3.  I beleive him.  If I'm wrong, then I'll **** about it loudly.
 
 

3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
– Sorry no matter how pretty it looks, it will always be a game, game series of the century in my opinion but a game nevertheless. No not everybody in life is bisexual this is true, but games do provide “what if” scenarios for those interested.

It's a game.  It's a game I've invested money and time in.  A game with characters I've been interacting with for a years.  Many of my Shepards, male and female, have talked to Ash and talked to Kaidan about their lives and family.  Neither of them in any game ever indicated remotely that they were bi-sexual.  I want characters to be consistant.    I'm quite willing to have a "what if" scenario as long as it's with a charcter who is not allready developed.  
 

4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.
 
– this is going to happen no matter what.
 

  

True so there is no reason to make the change.  
 

5. DA2 tried this, but if you ask me, it didn't feel as good as the ME romances.

– I liked the one I tried so again I simply disagree.

 The romances in DA2 are ok, but it has reduced the number of games I play through.  The LI are not consistant so I will not do a male same sex romance, which I would have if one of them had been openly bisexual.  Isabela has allways been bisexual.  
 

6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.
 
– For current li’s yes I agree, also the same with male Shepard, female Shepard will always have the bi vibe to me, intended or not.

Well, this is the whole point.  Current LI should remain unchanged.  Additional same sex or bisexual characters should be added.
 
 

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

– Awkward no, left field yes and lame not really, Seeing as I would be pretty surprised if they didn’t yoink dragon age 2’s dialog wheel there should be no unwelcome surprises

Awkward not really a word I would have used.  cheap, stupid, lame, Yes I would use those words.   I'm not concerned about unwelcome surprises, the little hearts in DA2 irritate me but they are ok.  I'm interested in having a same sex romance that does not involve a character I've talked to and enjoyed from ME1 suddenly announcing that they are bisexual and lo and behold Shepard is what brought them to the light of reason.  

 

8. If at least ONE person that could have been bi, it should have been Jack (my opinion)

– Why because she has issues? But then that’s the point she has issues big ones, if I was playing my game I would have taken Jack straight back to prison just on reading her rap sheet. It’s not like I wouldn’t have given her the time of day I would like to help Jack, but she belongs in jail or at least a place where she can be monitored.

I don't see Jack as bisexual.  She has too many control issues.  I see her as using sex to control Shepard, to control men who usually have the power.  But that is probably just my own warped view.  

1. I said that too.
4. It doesn't happen with Tali.
8.. I was just saying MY opinion.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Let's try to keep these posts short. LOLZ They are too long to read XD

[mopotter]

lovgreno wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Case in point, Garrus and Tali were blatant and obvious fanservice.

Yes, no doubt. But fanservice is where the money is. If BioWare thinks there is profit in bi LIs in ME3 they will include those, even making old LIs previously belived to be straight discovering new feelings for Shepard. Bi seemed to work well in DA2 so perhaps that will influence BioWares decisions about ME3 LIs.

This sadly is true.  And if they end up totally messing up the series by, among other things not giving more than one ending includine a heroic fireworks, Shepard and LI survive without strings attachec, and one sad one for those who like that kind,  or doing something like this, they will no longer be the first game on my purchase list.  

They are on the cliff right now, this would push them over for me.  I know it won't matter to anyone but me, never-the-less ME3 is my make it or break it bioware game.  They would go to the purchase after the price goes down instead of preorder as soon as I hear about it game.

[mopotter]

coolair74 wrote...

I would like to add that Jacob could be replaced with a copper spoon and no one would notice.

That is all.

poor Jacob.  He's actually a nice guy.  I always turn the sound off when I'm romancing him for the first few talks, not becuase of him, but because of Shepard.  

[mopotter]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm glad this thread made 29 pages.

and everyone is being polite.  Nice.  

[Ramirez Wolfen]

mopotter wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

I would like to add that Jacob could be replaced with a copper spoon and no one would notice.

That is all.

poor Jacob.  He's actually a nice guy.  I always turn the sound off when I'm romancing him for the first few talks, not becuase of him, but because of Shepard.  

Jacob would have been better if Shepard  didn't seem like all she wanted to do is shag him (my opinion). Justa mistake in writing, if you ask me.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

mopotter wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm glad this thread made 29 pages.

and everyone is being polite.  Nice.  

Well, for the first 15 pages, not so much LOL.

[AiLeO]

mopotter wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

I would like to add that Jacob could be replaced with a copper spoon and no one would notice.

That is all.

poor Jacob.  He's actually a nice guy.  I always turn the sound off when I'm romancing him for the first few talks, not becuase of him, but because of Shepard.  

Yes. It's not that I hate Jacob's romance, it's Shepard's strong come on (and the prize thing) that kind of freaks me out. In my head I say, "Shepard won't do that!"

Modifié par AiLeO, 23 mars 2011 - 03:13 .

[mopotter]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

1. I said that too.
4. It doesn't happen with Tali.
8.. I was just saying MY opinion.

And for the most part I agree with you.    I added the "in my opinion" too, just in case there was a question.  

[Pwener2313]

I think Jacob would make a great romance: http://www.blingchee...gay romance.htm

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Pwener2313 wrote...

I think Jacob would make a great romance: http://www.blingchee...gay romance.htm

LOL

[Ramirez Wolfen]

mopotter wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

1. I said that too.
4. It doesn't happen with Tali.
8.. I was just saying MY opinion.

And for the most part I agree with you.    I added the "in my opinion" too, just in case there was a question.  

I think I misinterpreted a bit there, sorry.

[mopotter]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

mopotter wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

I would like to add that Jacob could be replaced with a copper spoon and no one would notice.

That is all.

poor Jacob.  He's actually a nice guy.  I always turn the sound off when I'm romancing him for the first few talks, not becuase of him, but because of Shepard.  

Jacob would have been better if Shepard  didn't seem like all she wanted to do is shag him (my opinion). Justa mistake in writing, if you ask me.

Definitely.  When I heard her talk to him the first time I decided Tim had messed with her brain.  It wasn't the words so much as the way she said them.   You don't use that tone with someone  you just met unless you are drunk or working a corner.  well, i think that is what one would sound like if working a corner.    But never the less, it's not the way Shepard should have been talking for their first conversation.  

on topic - of the companions in ME1 and 2 I'd like to see them stay as they are and bring in new ones for bisexual romance options.  I know they will be bringing in new characters.  At least I can't imagin them not doing that so it would be easy to do it that way and leave the old ones alone.  

[mopotter]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

1. I said that too.
4. It doesn't happen with Tali.
8.. I was just saying MY opinion.

And for the most part I agree with you.    I added the "in my opinion" too, just in case there was a question.  

I think I misinterpreted a bit there, sorry.

  falling asleep at the computer.  I wonder how much reading I'll have to do tomorrow.  

[Ramirez Wolfen]

New folks that are bi/gay are fine, I'm not opposed to it. Heck I'm actually FOR it. Especially male s/s (I'm a straight male and I say this).

[slimgrin]

It should be done as it was in the last two games. That means a few will be bi, and my femshep will be happy.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

slimgrin wrote...

It should be done as it was in the last two games. That means a few will be bi, and my femshep will be happy.

If it was done like it was in the last two games no one will be bi (the way I think it should be).

[Pwener2313]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

New folks that are bi/gay are fine, I'm not opposed to it. Heck I'm actually FOR it. Especially male s/s (I'm a straight male and I say this).

Im straight and I support it too. It's just that making (just an example) Garrus or Tali gay to satisfy a cerstain community of players is a bad idea. I don't want my bro garrus hitting on me. A spank wth a tiwel on the showers is fine, but if I see him with a bottle of the blue stuff in my quarters and meesing with the music sistem, he's going out the nearest airlock.

[slimgrin]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

It should be done as it was in the last two games. That means a few will be bi, and my femshep will be happy.

If it was done like it was in the last two games no one will be bi (the way I think it should be).

Kelly was bi as far as I'm concerned. And don't even get me started on Asari sexuality.