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[Ryzaki]

The LIs are just favoring.

With all the bickering in this thread I hope none of them come back outside of cameos. At least we don't have to hear "rectons and OOCness!" and whining about why X came back but Y didn't.

Frankly I'm starting to wish there was no romances at all. Maybe then I could get some dialogue choices to tell those Asari to stop invading Shep's personal space  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2011 - 07:18 .

[Centauri2002]

halokitty wrote...

Mazder wrote...

The whole point of a love interest is so you fall in love with them, if they scrap it at 
the third game and have whole new LI's then what's th epoint of having them at all?

Exactly.  I am so happy with Bioware's pursuit of creating complex relationships between the PC and NPC.  But it seems counter-productive to foster these friendships and romance only to wipe the slate clean from game to game.  The idea of building this legacy of game experiences and carrying over LIs and friends seems a given.  But it seems like ME2 painted itself into a corner with the vast number of characters and potential outcomes.  But we will see, as long as Liara returns my Female Shepard will be happy.  <3

This. 

I think BioWare have portrayed some relationships as more important than others, from what I can see. Particularly the Liara/Shepard one at present. There's the events during the comic and a whole add on dedicated to it. This one seems particularly more developed than any other. I don't mean this just as a romance option but as a friendship. I think BioWare may have shot themselves in the foot by doing this. People will have chosen other characters to romance and they may feel like they're not getting as much out of the game. 

Of course, I don't really mind, I'm FemShep/Liara all the way. But just from what I can tell, it seems that some squad members (ex or otherwise) are more important to the plot than others.

[Elite Midget]

You'll hear it anyway...

"Tali should never have left me! I don't care that she could die, the Quarians are in a Civil War, or that there was a Time Skip between the games! No, I shagged her thus she must never grow outside of being my Gun! FOREVER!!!"

[Nimander]

I don't want all companions to be bisexual.

I also don't want all companions to be heterosexual.

I also DO like the idea of a homosexual companion.

While I wouldn't be up at arms about it, I would find 'everyone is bisexual' to be lazy in a way. It basically lets them use the same dialogue for everything and just involves toggling a flag in the code. It also just feels off. Homosexuality and bisexuality are are a minority as it goes (and yes, I'm aware of the sexual spectrum and even agree with the premise). On the other hand, I want -some- bisexual relationships, and wouldn't mind a purely homosexual relationship as well.

Basically, what I would like is (though again, this goes against statistical figures, but just for simplicity): 1 heterosexual relationship per gender. One homosexual relationship per gender. The rest are bisexual. Yeah, it'd suck if you really liked the other relationship outside your main, but that's what replaying is for.

(Then again, I'm the guy who would so make a girl to romance Varric in DA2 if he was an option, so hey.)

[Almostfaceman]

Elite Midget wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

So... basicly you're asking me to go with your opinion, because you say Bioware lies?

I'll pass.

Way to put words in my mouth. What I'm asking is that you stop IGNORING all the other Variables other than the ONE you want to be true. It's both said and pathetic.

Also, Bioware is a company and has lied to its fanbase multiple times in the past. This is a FACT no matter what you think of the matter.

So, what variables am I ignoring?  What one variable do I want to be true?  What words did I put in your mouth?

and more importantly...

Why so serious?

[Ryzaki]

Elite Midget wrote...

You'll hear it anyway...

"Tali should never have left me! I don't care that she could die, the Quarians are in a Civil War, or that there was a Time Skip between the games! No, I shagged her thus she must never grow outside of being my Gun! FOREVER!!!"

 

Thanks for that. 

Frankly I know it's bitter but I'm frankly hoping the SR2 blows up and Shep has to start from scratch again. Just for the sheer nerd rage on the forums. 

I want everyone on that ship to die except Shepard. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2011 - 07:21 .

[Mazder]

Elite Midget wrote...

You'll hear it anyway...

"Tali should never have left me! I don't care that she could die, the Quarians are in a Civil War, or that there was a Time Skip between the games! No, I shagged her thus she must never grow outside of being my Gun! FOREVER!!!"

Okay now you're just bashing a fan base.
What about the thane romance huh, he's not gonna be in it unless there is some miracle cure in the next dlc for him.

EDIT: Plus Thane had even less stake in the story than Tali, if he were to stay and she were to go then that'd be
1) A stupid move on the story side of it.
2) a stupid move to the fans
3) going against their own story.

And even with a time skip they can go and still come back for the start of the game so that argument is pretty useless.

Modifié par Mazder, 23 mars 2011 - 07:23 .

[Almostfaceman]

Ryzaki wrote...

The LIs are just favoring.

With all the bickering in this thread I hope none of them come back outside of cameos. At least we don't have to hear "rectons and OOCness!" and whining about why X came back but Y didn't.

Frankly I'm starting to wish there was no romances at all. Maybe then I could get some dialogue choices to tell those Asari to stop invading Shep's personal space  

It really doesn't matter what a game does, someone will find something to complain about - because no game made or that ever will be made - will be perfect.  Don't let the forum bickering get you down. 

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Elite Midget wrote...

You'll hear it anyway...

"Tali should never have left me! I don't care that she could die, the Quarians are in a Civil War, or that there was a Time Skip between the games! No, I shagged her thus she must never grow outside of being my Gun! FOREVER!!!"

And now you are bashing a fanbase. Real mature.<_<

[Russalka]

Ah, the horror of giving everyone as many options as possible. Nothing quite like it, is there?

I honestly did not mind how it was handled in Dragon Age 2. I saw no cheapness. I could trust the writers to weave the OPTIONS for different sexualities into the storyline quite well.

But knowing the direction the Mass Effect series has taken in this subject, it is all unlikely. Why make this thread if not to express some sort of spite?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Russalka wrote...

Ah, the horror of giving everyone as many options as possible. Nothing quite like it, is there?

I honestly did not mind how it was handled in Dragon Age 2. I saw no cheapness. I could trust the writers to weave the OPTIONS for different sexualities into the storyline quite well.

But knowing the direction the Mass Effect series has taken in this subject, it is all unlikely. Why make this thread if not to express some sort of spite?

Read the thread, I have stated that I am not against bi LIs, just changing current ones.

[Elite Midget]

Mazder wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

You'll hear it anyway...

"Tali should never have left me! I don't care that she could die, the Quarians are in a Civil War, or that there was a Time Skip between the games! No, I shagged her thus she must never grow outside of being my Gun! FOREVER!!!"

Okay now you're just bashing a fan base.
What about the thane romance huh, he's not gonna be in it unless there is some miracle cure in the next dlc for him.

It was an example. I can do that with any one of the characters. I just picked tali because she's the most popular and some fans want her to get special treatment.

[The Lesser Evil]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I agree. Maybe it can work for women LIs with femshep because let's be honest, they can pretty much pick and choose. Men, OTOH, are either gay or they're not.

Congratulations, you wrote the most nonsensical thing I have ever seen.

[Russalka]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Read the thread, I have stated that I am not against bi LIs, just changing current ones.

I know. But why should they change them after everything they have stated about Shepard?

[Ryzaki]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The LIs are just favoring.

With all the bickering in this thread I hope none of them come back outside of cameos. At least we don't have to hear "rectons and OOCness!" and whining about why X came back but Y didn't.

Frankly I'm starting to wish there was no romances at all. Maybe then I could get some dialogue choices to tell those Asari to stop invading Shep's personal space  

It really doesn't matter what a game does, someone will find something to complain about - because no game made or that ever will be made - will be perfect.  Don't let the forum bickering get you down. 

It's already got me down. The amount of self entitlement is annoying. I do it to but it's still goddamn annoying. 

[Mazder]

Elite Midget wrote...

Mazder wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

You'll hear it anyway...

"Tali should never have left me! I don't care that she could die, the Quarians are in a Civil War, or that there was a Time Skip between the games! No, I shagged her thus she must never grow outside of being my Gun! FOREVER!!!"

Okay now you're just bashing a fan base.
What about the thane romance huh, he's not gonna be in it unless there is some miracle cure in the next dlc for him.

It was an example. I can do that with any one of the characters. I just picked tali because she's the most popular and some fans want her to get special treatment.

1) she's not the biggest fan base, the t-shirt poll proved that.
2) you used a stereotypical area to bash, if you could do it for any one of them use it, the tali fans are sick of being the punching bag of the rest of the forum simply for existing, if you wish to be mature i will wait here for you to be mature, if you can't be then say nothing at all.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Russalka wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Read the thread, I have stated that I am not against bi LIs, just changing current ones.

I know. But why should they change them after everything they have stated about Shepard?

That's what I'm saying. I don't want to change them, though I'd be fine (and I'd support it) if there was new characters who were romanceable and they were bi or gay.

[utenanon]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I agree. Maybe it can work for women LIs with femshep because let's be honest, they can pretty much pick and choose. Men, OTOH, are either gay or they're not.

Modifié par utenanon, 23 mars 2011 - 07:28 .

[Elite Midget]

Like I said it was an EXAMPLE. Besides, the T-Shirt thing doesn't prove Jack because most Fans don't want a freaking T-Shirt.

If I said Garrus would you have cared? No. Thus I picked Tali because you obviously care enough to use her as an avatar.

No character, I don't care how popular, should get Special Treatment over others that are under the same circumstances which is that they can all die.

[Ryzaki]

Only character who should get special treatment is Joker

He's the only one who can't die. Well him and Liara.

[Almostfaceman]

Wittand25 wrote...

Read what you quoted from the wiki.
Nowhere it is promised that survivors will return as full squadmates

I didn't say that they would.

Nowhere it is promised that you will get more from a ME2 romance in ME3 than you got for a ME1 one in ME2.

I never claimed that either.  Were you paying attention to what I was responding to?  Specifically, the post I was responding to was saying that ME3 was going to be 10 minute cameos then a story not affected by our choices in ME1 and ME2.

And being free to let the story diverge is marketing bull****´.The beginning of ME3 still needs to connect the end of ME2 and the middle of ME3, the middle of ME3 still needs to be connected to both the beginning and the end. The only thing truly free is the endgame and the epilogue of ME3 and that is the only place your import will actually matter.

Well, that's your opinion.  Gathered any data yet from ME3 that supports your opinion?

Before the start of the endgame you should not expect more than flavour changes like the Wrex/Wreave one on Virmire.

I don't know why these people went to Casey Hudson for information, they could have gone straight to you.  It's not like he's involved in making the game or something... oh wait... he is.

Do you really expect me to take you seriously?

[Mazder]

Elite Midget wrote...

Like I said it was an EXAMPLE. Besides, the T-Shirt thing doesn't prove Jack because most Fans don't want a freaking T-Shirt.

If I said Garrus would you have cared? No. Thus I picked Tali because you obviously care enough to use her as an avatar.

No character, I don't care how popular, should get Special Treatment over others that are under the same circumstances which is that they can all die.

Nor do I, I just do not like it when it is used as the example over all others, every time.
Whenever there is something that needs bashing or using an example of it is always Tali, yes I care because nothing has been done for so much attention to be warrented on hating her or the fanbase.

And yes I would have cared still as I value all the characters and their fanbases, and any bashing towards them in that manner is just childish, all the characters are equal and should be treated as such.

[catabuca]

Nyoka wrote...

About "let's not change the characters".

As far as I know, same sex relationships were not even allowed in ME1&2. Shepard never started a conversation that could lead to a romance. Not one character is explicitly heterosexual, nor did they reject a possible relationship. The subject isn't contemplated at all. Is this true?

If they had rejected a certain kind of relationship and then they accept it in ME3, that would be changing the characters in a contradictory way. But if they said absolutely nothing about it in the first place, that's not changing anything, it's adding something. They never talked about it; might as well start talking about it now. No contradiction.

A million times this.

Just because someone doesn't mention their sexuality at a certain point in their lives does not mean they are or are not definitively of a particular persuasion. It could be written in a very believable and convincing way.

[Mazder]

Ryzaki wrote...

Only character who should get special treatment is Joker

He's the only one who can't die. Well him and Liara.

When the Reapers come all can die!

[Commander_Adept]

The Lesser Evil wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I agree. Maybe it can work for women LIs with femshep because let's be honest, they can pretty much pick and choose. Men, OTOH, are either gay or they're not.

Congratulations, you wrote the most nonsensical thing I have ever seen.

Not really... That's basically a fact of life