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[jlb524]

michaelrsa wrote...

You're right, Bisexual romances are stupid.

Let's just make everyone gay. There have been enough straight romances in games as it is.

Best post in the thread.

[emmanuelsieyes]

Modifié par emmanuelsieyes, 23 mars 2011 - 11:35 .

[Centauri2002]

Siansonea II wrote...

How about we remove all romances altogether? That's the most fair solution, right? That way, nobody can feel left out, since EVERYONE is left out. Honestly, it would probably be a better game if BioWare wasn't so busy trying to accommodate all of the fans' niche desires. And we are talking about a game about a galactic invasion, after all. I'm thinking I'd have other things on my mind besides romance if all sentient life was being threatened with extinction, but maybe that's just me.

This was the exact same suggestion I was going to make after the same argument went around in a circle a few times. How about if the characters just weren't interested in getting kinky in the engine room with galactic decimation looming over them? What would players think then, I wonder? 

Modifié par centauri2002, 23 mars 2011 - 11:35 .

[mjb203]

Have any of you in this thread stopped to think that maybe the reason there aren't any male s/s romances in Mass Effect is due to them using Mark Vanderloo's likeness for the "iconic" Shepard? It is quite possible that it may have been worked into a contract between him and Bioware. Note, I don't have any idea if this is the case or not, but it would make sense. Maybe he doesn't want his likeness being used in a s/s romance. Seeing as there is no "iconic" FemShep face and there are s/s romances for her, I would hazard a guess that this would be the most likely explanation.

[Almostfaceman]

centauri2002 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

How about we remove all romances altogether? That's the most fair solution, right? That way, nobody can feel left out, since EVERYONE is left out. Honestly, it would probably be a better game if BioWare wasn't so busy trying to accommodate all of the fans' niche desires. And we are talking about a game about a galactic invasion, after all. I'm thinking I'd have other things on my mind besides romance if all sentient life was being threatened with extinction, but maybe that's just me.

This was the exact same suggestion I was going to make after the same argument went around in a circle a few times. How about if the characters just weren't interested in getting kinky in the engine room with galactic decimation looming over them? What would players think then, I wonder? 

Who knows?  There's a lot of romance in cinema...

*looks back at Baldur's Gate 2*

Or maybe it's just a Bioware thing - fans dug it when they put romance in that game and that may have started something.

I think people in general like romance in a good story.  It certainly hasn't hurt Bioware's sales.

[Alphyn]

Siansonea II wrote...

Speaking as one of the aforementioned "idiots", no, you wouldn't be evil if you agreed with the OPs stated opinion in the original post. A case can be made for character continuity, etc. Unfortunately that case has never actually been made in this thread. It's all been "reasons" along the lines of "it would be weird because none of them ever acted gay before" and ridiculous and offensive stuff like that. So, by all means feel free to weigh in with legitimate concerns, I'm sure a lot of people would like to discuss them. Anything coherent and well-considered would be a breath of fresh air in this thread and in this community.

Well, the term "acting gay" is silly, I agree.

MisterDyslexo wrote...

No, but evidence stands against you as it is. The OP is clearly hypocritical in being a Talimancer that is well a fan of that retcon, but also thinking that a retcon involving who you can romance would ruin the character.

... evidence against me? You mean me being in Clan Zorah? What does that have to do with anything?

[mopotter]

Wittand25 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
It ruins consistency, if you ask me. Also, does it matter that I'm a Tali fan? Some folks who agree with me aren't Tali fans. And please, PLEASE, stop talking about equality. This isn't about that. This is about not changing things to keep the characters constant.

And, I am currently considering working for Bioware(if they'll let me). And, once again, the DA2 romances were not the best.

That depends on how it is handeld. The ME2 team already went the cheap way and made all not romantic dialog identical for both Shepards. So several lines come across as if there is an attraction to a Shepard of the same sex but it is never acted upon. That could be used in ME3.

However I do not believe that the old squad-mates will be back. All but the VS and Liara can be dead after all. And the VS is in the same situation as the sibling in DA2, who gets removed from the rooster for the biggest part of that game too in order to safe resources. So any romances will be with new squad-mates anyway.

I would like the link where you find this information.  Chris has always said that the VS will be back in ME3 and that is why they were not in ME2.    I don't believe if you romanced Kaidan or Ash in ME1 they will not carry that through to the end of ME3.  

 

What information? One of the two canditates for VS dies in ME1, one sibling dies in DA2. This is an identiacal situation just play the games.
Spoilers for DA2
In order to safe resources the surviving sibling leaves the party at the end of the next act and only shows up for short moments during the rest of the game and the final fight. Since the situation is nearly identical for the VS in ME3 it is reasonable to assume that the same solution will be applied. Yes characters in the ME games have less interaction with each other and therefore the squadmates are cheaper but making two full squadmates of whom you only can meet one is still a waste of resources.
Chris has never said that the VS or anyone else will return as squadmate in ME3 and neither has anyone else from the Dev team. The explanation why the ME2 Lis were not recruit-able was that they are supposed to play an important part in ME3. But that does not require them to be squad mates. And actually considering how Bioware marketing goes that does not even require that there is even one single interaction between them and Shepard or them having more than five minutes of screen time (though I doubt that Bioware will be this cheap)

I hope your wrong.  will have to wait and find out.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Siansonea II wrote...
Of that I have no doubt. You obviously cultivate a very specific persona here, a belligerent iconoclast, and are generally just unpleasant. You try to cloak your diatribes in shades of freedom and whatnot, but what it boils down to is that you do not Work And Play Well With Others, and you clearly resent the fact that not everyone gives a fig what you think or what you say. You pop into threads, say obnoxious things, and pop right on out again. You're not going to be winning any congeniality awards, that's for sure. But to you, being cooperative and courteous is anathema, you think that you are somehow entitled to insult everyone around you as some sort of God-given right or something. Well, I don't think that's freedom, that's just bullying.

Oh now you've gone and hurt my feelings... I try to be pleasant and I typically am. Yet this arrogance, this sense of entitlement, makes it difficult to work and play well with individuals like yourself. Individuals with a habit of labeling anybody who disagrees with their demands as trolls or "homophobes". A word which you only use to serve your purpose, by playing off the guilt of easily swayed individuals. This is the internet, and I fully expect people to not give a damn about what I say and I expect to be unable to change rather obnoxious opinions. Meanwhile, criticizing me for not devoting as much time to these forums is rather childish to say the least. I know you consider yourself to be some sort of "champion" of a just cause or some other load of nonsense, but your not. Nobody has to kiss the ground you walk on or cave into all of your demand. Demands which I have every right to say degrade the quality of the game not just for me, but for many players. You can try to justify making all LIs bisexual however you want, but the truth is that it cheapens those charaters and the writing. Go ahead and fight for your gay or bisexual romance options, just don't expect me to support you, and don't try to cheapen the game for the rest of us.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 23 mars 2011 - 11:49 .

[Centauri2002]

michaelrsa wrote...

Also, how many games are there with a gay romance in it that you can remember? I can't think of one personally.

I would like to rectify this. Bioware needs to grow some balls and make some gay only love interests.

I agree. They've made great leaps in bringing more varied romantic options into mainstream gaming but I'd like to see a little more in future products. I'm just waiting for a good gay romance that isn't completely objectified. :3

[Spartanburger]

michaelrsa wrote...
Bioware needs to grow some balls and make some gay only love interests.

I am okay with this.

If romances were bi-sexual, then they should have different dialoge for the s/s mance than the standard mance.
And previous romance options should not suddenly come out of the closet and say "hai guis i r bi nao plz do me."

[jlb524]

centauri2002 wrote...
I'm just waiting for a good gay romance that isn't completely objectified. :3

What does this even mean?

[MisterDyslexo]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
So what do you think it is, then?

Ray Muzyka has stated that defining Shepard is not a wide open choice matrix, and Shepard is more predefined, than the DA protagonist.

Agree or disagree, either way, it's obviously not a high enough priority during development to fully implement it into the retail versions of the ME games.

Oh yes, because we don't get to choose far more about Shepard than Hawke. How old is Hawke in the beginning of DA2? I'd say around 20. Well last I checked, you got to decide the first 18 years of Shepard's life, correct?

Yeah, thats totally pre-defined *cough cough*

This is an RPG. We don't want pre-definition, and nobody who actually plays RPGs, like RPGs, rather than just like a shooter game, doesn't like RPGs. We want to choose how we fight, who we fight (to some extent, we do need adversaries), what gun to use. We also want the freedom to make "x" interaction with "y" character.

Pre-definition =/= RPG

[Centauri2002]

jlb524 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...
I'm just waiting for a good gay romance that isn't completely objectified. :3

What does this even mean?

I'll point you towards Fear Effect 2: Retro Helix for a good example of what I mean.

[MisterDyslexo]

michaelrsa wrote...

Also, how many games are there with a gay romance in it that you can remember? I can't think of one personally.

I would like to rectify this. Bioware needs to grow some balls and make some gay only love interests.

Juhani.

And thats it...

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Alphyn wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

That's what they're labeling anyone who agrees with me. I'm not homophobic myself.

People these days WANT to be offended.

"I don't think bisexual romances should be in ME altogether."

"WHAT?! OMG, HOMOPHOBE!"

I didn't say no bi romances altogether.

[MisterDyslexo]

Alphyn wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

No, but evidence stands against you as it is. The OP is clearly hypocritical in being a Talimancer that is well a fan of that retcon, but also thinking that a retcon involving who you can romance would ruin the character.

... evidence against me? You mean me being in Clan Zorah? What does that have to do with anything?

Tali's entire romance was a retcon. The OP clearly doesn't think it ruined her as a character, and if you're saying that you also are a Talimancer, then I'd assume the same, no?

How about Garrus? That retcon ruined him drastically. Nobody at all wants him anymore. He's more unpopular than Jacob even, right? Right?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Spartanburger wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...
Bioware needs to grow some balls and make some gay only love interests.

I am okay with this.

If romances were bi-sexual, then they should have different dialoge for the s/s mance than the standard mance.
And previous romance options should not suddenly come out of the closet and say "hai guis i r bi nao plz do me."

I agree with this

[Mazder]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

mrsph wrote...
debunked rumor.

The reasoning for femshep being a lesbian and maleshep not being gay is a double standard. Mostly because 12 year olds think it is icky.

I would say that's debunked too, since 12 yr olds play other Bioware games, with the content in the game.

TBH if we're gonna start taking 12 year old views into our games we may as well just call it quits and say no romance for ancyone because shapard may catch cooties from any of the female romances. <_<