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[Volus Warlord]

Siansonea II wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Why do you care? The game isn't a dating sim. It's an epic galactic story about defending what we love- and if Shep is bi/******, then that Shep has a right to be. As does any other character. There's no real reason any of the previous romances (okay, well I don't see Tali as ******, but besides her?) couldn't be bisexual. It's up to BioWare.

Of course it's up to BioWare.  They will do what they want no matter what anyone else wants.  Some people will be happy some won't.    And there is no reason to think they will do anything to ME1 LI, but they could.   So it's something to talk about until the game is out, or until the DLC is here.  

And I'm going to make sure they know the reasons, if they happen to read it, that I'm on the side that won't be happy if they do something that is going to reduce the number of plays I run through.  

Bringing in a new character that is gay or openly bisexual  will give me additional plays.  A new character who is gay or bi-sexual would work since I have no history with them.  

Turning any of the existing LI bisexual will reduce the number of my play throughs.  I will not play a game that is going to mess of the consistance of the characters.  Kadain and Ash in ME1 and whoever was romanced in ME2 are set and should not be writen to switch teams in ME3.  

Jack I'm on the fence about and while I'd personally keep her straight, I can accept that she might be interested in Fem Shepard after surviving the final mission since she did mention a 3some but it should have been done in ME2 if it was going to be done.

Talli and Garrus did not romance anyone in ME1, and while I would have perfered Tali  to have a fling with Kal'reegar and Garrus to just be a friend  I don't have a problem with it. They act the same in every game I play no matter if I'm Jake Shepard or Sandy Shepard and that is the whole reason I would rather have a new character instead of changing old ones.  Consistency in my different games.  

Let's be clear about something. Being bisexual isn't "switching teams", it's playing for BOTH teams. And if anything, it ADDS variety for multiple playthroughs. Now Jake AND Sandy can mack on Miranda/Tali/Kaidan/whoever. Don't see how adding options EVER takes anything away from the game. But for full disclosure, I admit I'm no math expert.

It can erode at the games tone and lore consistancy. If Jacob suddenly said to your manshep, "By the way, I like to sing 'what what in the butt' " A.) I'd lmao fpr like 30 minutes B.) I'd start to consider the game's lore-the aspect which made the ME series stand out-pretty sh*tty.

[MajesticJazz]

Wow, this topic still continues....

[Ramirez Wolfen]

mrsph wrote...

All this argument about fictional character love lifes is silly.

You're silly.

LOLZ

[Ramirez Wolfen]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Wow, this topic still continues....

people like to discuss, what can we say?

[MisterDyslexo]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Let's be clear about something. Being bisexual isn't "switching teams", it's playing for BOTH teams. And if anything, it ADDS variety for multiple playthroughs. Now Jake AND Sandy can mack on Miranda/Tali/Kaidan/whoever. Don't see how adding options EVER takes anything away from the game. But for full disclosure, I admit I'm no math expert.

Let's be clear about something, revealing to someone who's thought you're straight (or gay) that you're "bi" is switching teams.  You've gone from team straight to team bi.  Or team gay to team bi. 

Not in my opinion. It just means you went from:

-Dating opposite sex, not dating same-sex

or

-Not dating opposite sex, dating same sex

to

-Dating opposite sex, dating same-sex

The character literally needs no change in character whatsoever, as long as they never said along the lines of "I'm straight" or "I'm gay". Its just that it really sucks not to have that. It really does. So we'd like a reason, like genuinie and well-thought out character development as for their reason. I'm sure you could find a reason (or make one up) for all the characters, its just that some have a stronger case (Jack, Miranda, Thane) than others (Jacob, Ashley)

Some people aren't comfortable with that change.  You have to respect that, just as they have to respect you are.

No we don't, and no not everybody else does. In fact if it was mutually respectful, we wouldn't have much of a game. I was extremely uncomfortable with the Talimance. It sprung up so suddenly. In Mass Effect 1 I was like "Oh she's like my sister with a one of those "dark helmet"s frim Spaceballs". Whereas in Mass Effect 2, I was like "So she like my sister, except a genocidal Palestinian, and she's hitting on me."
Oh yippie, how happy I was.
I'm not demanding that people have to go through it, I'm just saying put it in there for the people that want it. Are we all likely to come across an outcome we don't like? Yes. But we can do our best to minimalize the chances that it happens. Such as:

1) Indicators for romance-driven dialogue
2) Actually paying attention to the dialogue, and understanding the diffrerences between phrases

If the game was made so we'd all never become uncomfortable with a plot twist or line of dialogue, etc, we'd basically have pong. Is that what you want? I certainly willing to possibly come across brief, unenjoyable experiences to enjoy the game as a whole. For Mass Effect 2, part of that was, avoiding Tali after the Loyalty mission. If you don't like it, find a way to deal with it your own way.

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 24 mars 2011 - 02:06 .

[Julie the bogan]

I just finished catching up on this thread, and I’ve changed my mind.

It can’t be retcon if preference wasn’t previously stated can it?

If that’s the case go to town on it, I do enjoy the giggles I get out of LI’s

[MisterDyslexo]

Julie Shepard wrote...

I just finished catching up on this thread, and I’ve changed my mind.

It can’t be retcon if preference wasn’t previously stated can it?

No, that means its ambiguous, which all characters are. No character says "My sexual orientation 'x' " at any point in the game.

Well, one character does. FemShep. She can say "I'm interested in men", but then in Mass Effect 2, "have dinner" with Kelly. So, I wouldn't even give any credibility to their statements.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Julie Shepard wrote...

I just finished catching up on this thread, and I’ve changed my mind.

It can’t be retcon if preference wasn’t previously stated can it?

If that’s the case go to town on it, I do enjoy the giggles I get out of LI’s

Except Tali can't be bi, she basically said she was straight. She's ruled out.

[Almostfaceman]

MisterDyslexo wrote...


No we don't, and no not everybody else does. 

You're spending an awful lot of time trying to make your points to people, then you tell them you dont have to respect their opinion.  That seems counter-productive.  Oh well.  At least you're honest.  Now I know where you stand and I can take that into consideration when chatting with you.

[Julie the bogan]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Julie Shepard wrote...

I just finished catching up on this thread, and I’ve changed my mind.

It can’t be retcon if preference wasn’t previously stated can it?

No, that means its ambiguous, which all characters are. No character says "My sexual orientation 'x' " at any point in the game.

Well, one character does. FemShep. She can say "I'm interested in men", but then in Mass Effect 2, "have dinner" with Kelly. So, I wouldn't even give any credibility to their statements.

Well thats femshep stating her preference, which is players choice

I didnt think dinner with kelly was anything other then well... dinner...

[Almostfaceman]

Julie Shepard wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Julie Shepard wrote...

I just finished catching up on this thread, and I’ve changed my mind.

It can’t be retcon if preference wasn’t previously stated can it?

No, that means its ambiguous, which all characters are. No character says "My sexual orientation 'x' " at any point in the game.

Well, one character does. FemShep. She can say "I'm interested in men", but then in Mass Effect 2, "have dinner" with Kelly. So, I wouldn't even give any credibility to their statements.

Well thats femshep stating her preference, which is players choice

I didnt think dinner with kelly was anything other then well... dinner...

I was thinking that same thing, you don't have to call her up and make her do the Safety Dance. 

[jeweledleah]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

The character literally needs no change in character whatsoever, as long as they never said along the lines of "I'm straight" or "I'm gay". Its just that it really sucks not to have that. It really does. So we'd like a reason, like genuinie and well-thought out character development as for their reason. I'm sure you could find a reason (or make one up) for all the characters, its just that some have a stronger case (Jack, Miranda, Thane) than others (Jacob, Ashley)

I disagree and I've said multiple times why before, but I'm going to say it again.  at least in case of ME1 romances - there are paterns of behavior, hints of atraction that they display to shepard of one gender, but not the other thought out the entire game. they act differently around a Shepard friend vs shepard love interest.  so in order to beleivably show that they somehow cannot repress their atraction only about one of the genders, you have to change the character.  you have to rewrite them and do it carefuly.

that is unless you don't care if they are consistantly the same character in every game. which it seems exactly what people want.  "in my game she's straight.  in your game she's gay.  in someone esle's game she's bi - player decides"  like stepford wives.

[ADLegend21]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Julie Shepard wrote...

I just finished catching up on this thread, and I’ve changed my mind.

It can’t be retcon if preference wasn’t previously stated can it?

If that’s the case go to town on it, I do enjoy the giggles I get out of LI’s

Except Tali can't be bi, she basically said she was straight. She's ruled out.

Tali is the classic case of Shepard sexual since she mentnons suit linking to BOTH Genders and that there's ONE person she wants to link with.

[mx3ze]

yeah... no bisexual LIs.. i don't want sausage parties man.. ewww

[Ramirez Wolfen]

rynluna wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Except Tali can't be bi, she basically said she was straight. She's ruled out.

What copy of the game do you have?

The copy everyone has. Tali basically tells Femshep that she doesn't like Femshep like that because she's not male.

[ADLegend21]

mx3ze wrote...

yeah... no bisexual LIs.. i don't want sausage parties man.. ewww

Then don't pursue the M/M romances, it's easy.

[Siansonea]

mx3ze wrote...

yeah... no bisexual LIs.. i don't want sausage parties man.. ewww

Welcome to puberty, sport.

[Hedera]

I don't want all the LIs to be Bi. I want them all, you heard me, ALL to be gay. For each other. Romanced Garrus in ME2? Now he wants Jacob. Got your Miri action? She left you for Kasumi. And Shepard sits alone and cries for half the game.

/shrug

[MisterDyslexo]

Almostfaceman wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...
No we don't, and no not everybody else does. 

You're spending an awful lot of time trying to make your points to people, then you tell them you dont have to respect their opinion. 

I knew that was gonna come off wrong. Anyways, you're right, I don't have to, but I still try to anyways. Otherwise we never see eye-to-eye on anything other than, well, you know how most flame wars go...
There are those on the other side of the argument who will be irrational, argumentative, and just spout "lol ur agrument is fail". The ones who we wish were actually trolls, but are sadly serious. They, sadly (or sadly in my opinion anyways) have a voice. Those seem to be a decent amount of people in the way of the s/s romances in general. And those are the people that some of us have to deal with. Those are the people I'm having a hard time giving respect to *cough cough* continued below *cough cough*

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Except Tali can't be bi, she basically said she was straight. She's ruled out.

Yeah,
umm... would you kindly point this out. Nobody has ever seemed to be
able to in the past, but you sure seem confident about it. Please, pick out the exact line of dialogue in a FemShep playthrough where she explicitly states that the only humans she's interested in must be men.

[Siansonea]

Almostfaceman wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...


No we don't, and no not everybody else does. 

You're spending an awful lot of time trying to make your points to people, then you tell them you dont have to respect their opinion.  That seems counter-productive.  Oh well.  At least you're honest.  Now I know where you stand and I can take that into consideration when chatting with you.

"You have to be tolerant of intolerant people if you want intolerant people to be tolerant of you."

Say what?

[Siansonea]

cgrimm54 wrote...

I don't want all the LIs to be Bi. I want them all, you heard me, ALL to be gay. For each other. Romanced Garrus in ME2? Now he wants Jacob. Got your Miri action? She left you for Kasumi. And Shepard sits alone and cries for half the game.

/shrug

<3 You rock.

[Julie the bogan]

cgrimm54 wrote...

I don't want all the LIs to be Bi. I want them all, you heard me, ALL to be gay. For each other. Romanced Garrus in ME2? Now he wants Jacob. Got your Miri action? She left you for Kasumi. And Shepard sits alone and cries for half the game.

/shrug

Shepard dosn't cry

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Siansonea II wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...


No we don't, and no not everybody else does. 

You're spending an awful lot of time trying to make your points to people, then you tell them you dont have to respect their opinion.  That seems counter-productive.  Oh well.  At least you're honest.  Now I know where you stand and I can take that into consideration when chatting with you.

"You have to be tolerant of intolerant people if you want intolerant people to be tolerant of you."

Say what?

You trying to be funny?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I got different impressions from different ME2 platonic characters toward my Femshep. I didn't feel like Miranda was interested in me. Tali got pretty personal, and said some things that were more flirtatious than some of the actual flirtations from my possible love interests. (She gets far enough in her dialogue to mention that suit linking is the most intimate thing, and then says that I'd be the only one she'd want to do it with.) I can easily imagine that she'd be double flummoxed by the risk of infection AND not knowing if I was gay... which my Shep isn't. I'd prefer to set Tali up with Joker (he sort of hints at liking her in his dialogue, though he also says he doesn't date crew), but I wouldn't feel like her falling for Femshep was massively out of character.

In contrast, I feel like Garrus is straight. He's barely interested in female humanoids who aren't Turians, let alone other dudes of any species. He talks about the ladies, waxes rhapsodic about a female crew member he had a fling with, etc. Thane doesn't feel as specific, he feels more like he's looking for someone to hold onto... I wouldn't feel like it was out of character for him to give a guy a pet name, and most of his flirty dialogue would work just as well for a gay relationship.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 24 mars 2011 - 02:36 .