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[Ramirez Wolfen]

Quole wrote...

adneate wrote...

Quole wrote...
Way to disregard everything else I said. No it isnt a retcon, but good try.

EDIT: And since when does  a retcon have to be subtle?

What's that? Talimance is a retcon? I agree Quole it is a retcon.

...are you really going to be immature like that? The point of this forum is for discussion and you havent brought up any counter arguments.

It's been like this ALL day.

[MisterDyslexo]

Tali's a retcon. She didn't act upon her impulses to mount Shepard like a wildebeast when she could have in Mass Effect 1. However, when Bioware team saw people liked Tali, they decided to pull something out of her ass about her secretly liking Shepard. If there was evidence of it, or it was hinted at, it would've indicated that it was planned. But it wasn't. So its a retcon through character development.

[Quole]

rynluna wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Just make Zaeed and Kasumi homosexual LIs in ME3.  That'll take care of it.

Wut?!  Zaeed has a gun named Jessie which is obviously a girl's name and this obviously means he can't be a homosexual LI! 

WAIT A MINUTE.... the gun has a name?

[Pacifien]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Bioware isn't perfect, and after DA2, I'm worried that the romances might take a wrong turn.

I'd say they took a right turn with DA2, but we must remember that the only opinion that matters is your own.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Tali's a retcon. She didn't act upon her impulses to mount Shepard like a wildebeast when she could have in Mass Effect 1. However, when Bioware team saw people liked Tali, they decided to pull something out of her ass about her secretly liking Shepard. If there was evidence of it, or it was hinted at, it would've indicated that it was planned. But it wasn't. So its a retcon through character development.

It's a matter of perception, I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Hellbound555 wrote...

I think some LI's shouldnt be bisexual. Its just not in their character. Take Wrex for example. Or Jacob. Or Garrus. I dont see it in them and making them bi just to satisfy a hyper-specific demography belittles their characters.

This.

If Ashley or Jacob for example were brought back in ME3 as bisexual, it would be a "Wait...what?!" moment. Any bisexual LIs should either be new characters, or returning Asari.

[Quole]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Tali's a retcon. She didn't act upon her impulses to mount Shepard like a wildebeast when she could have in Mass Effect 1. However, when Bioware team saw people liked Tali, they decided to pull something out of her ass about her secretly liking Shepard. If there was evidence of it, or it was hinted at, it would've indicated that it was planned. But it wasn't. So its a retcon through character development.

Again, you can like somebody and not show it. Maybe she was afraid he wouldnt feel the same way (SHE ACTUALLY SAYS THATS THE REASON FOR NOT SAYING ANYTHING IN ME1, DURING HER ROMANCE) . The point is, it was entirely possible that she likedd shepard and didnt show it.

[MisterDyslexo]

Pacifien wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Bioware isn't perfect, and after DA2, I'm worried that the romances might take a wrong turn.

I'd say they took a right turn with DA2, but we must remember that the only opinion that matters is your own.

But what also matters is that the developers are wrong and you are right. My sig stands as factual evidence.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Pacifien wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Bioware isn't perfect, and after DA2, I'm worried that the romances might take a wrong turn.

I'd say they took a right turn with DA2, but we must remember that the only opinion that matters is your own.

I was just stating my opinion, but I'm glad to see you here.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

I found the romances in DA2 a little too easy?... (wow no good vocab options there) maybe that they were all bi gave the sense that the player I rolled didn't matter. So to deal with that maybe have gay and lesbian characters as well as straight so that all choices are offered. Sorry if that's been mentioned before this thread is long. But I agree re-writing the characters to suddenly be totally different is just bad

Yeah, new characters are a good choice if you ask me.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Just make Zaeed and Kasumi homosexual LIs in ME3.  That'll take care of it.

Because they are DLCs, I don't think they will be LIs (unfortunately, mostly Kasumi for me, though)

And why would a character being in a DLC elimate this possibility? LotSB is a DLC, but I'll bet Liara being the SB is canon.

They are DLC characters, Liara is not.

[InvincibleHero]

About Jack I think she was forced into the threesome. She has a whole rape survivor mentality written into her vocals. It is why she says she doesn't roll that way to a femshep. She did not choose to initiate or keep going with the female once she terminated the male in that relatiponship. Obviously it didn't work out for any of the parties involved.

[MisterDyslexo]

Quole wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Tali's a retcon. She didn't act upon her impulses to mount Shepard like a wildebeast when she could have in Mass Effect 1. However, when Bioware team saw people liked Tali, they decided to pull something out of her ass about her secretly liking Shepard. If there was evidence of it, or it was hinted at, it would've indicated that it was planned. But it wasn't. So its a retcon through character development.

Again, you can like somebody and not show it. Maybe she was afraid he wouldnt feel the same way (SHE ACTUALLY SAYS THATS THE REASON FOR NOT SAYING ANYTHING IN ME1, DURING HER ROMANCE) . The point is, it was entirely possible that she likedd shepard and didnt show it.

If it was planned, Bioware would've shown it. They would've thrown in little hints. But nowhere along any lines did they do so. So they had no original intentions of doing so. Their vision for Tali in Mass Effect 1, spanning the entire trilogy, is different than the one in Mass Effect 2. Its a retcon. Its true, a person can do so without giving signs. But the developers give off those signs. They did so with whats-his-face in DA2 that was also in Awakening, for ine example. Lots of hints Baulder's Gate 1 as to what they wanted to do in Baulder's Gate 2 regarding characters.

[MisterDyslexo]

InvincibleHero wrote...

About Jack I think she was forced into the threesome. She has a whole rape survivor mentality written into her vocals. It is why she says she doesn't roll that way to a femshep. She did not choose to initiate or keep going with the female once she terminated the male in that relatiponship. Obviously it didn't work out for any of the parties involved.

I'm going to have to disagree. I get the abuse vibe, but that was this whole little thing called "Pragia". After that, doesn't seem like she took **** from anybody. Maybe naive, but wouldn't let somebody take advantage or her if she realized they were doing it.

[Quole]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Quole wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Tali's a retcon. She didn't act upon her impulses to mount Shepard like a wildebeast when she could have in Mass Effect 1. However, when Bioware team saw people liked Tali, they decided to pull something out of her ass about her secretly liking Shepard. If there was evidence of it, or it was hinted at, it would've indicated that it was planned. But it wasn't. So its a retcon through character development.

Again, you can like somebody and not show it. Maybe she was afraid he wouldnt feel the same way (SHE ACTUALLY SAYS THATS THE REASON FOR NOT SAYING ANYTHING IN ME1, DURING HER ROMANCE) . The point is, it was entirely possible that she likedd shepard and didnt show it.

If it was planned, Bioware would've shown it. They would've thrown in little hints. But nowhere along any lines did they do so. So they had no original intentions of doing so. Their vision for Tali in Mass Effect 1, spanning the entire trilogy, is different than the one in Mass Effect 2. Its a retcon. Its true, a person can do so without giving signs. But the developers give off those signs. They did so with whats-his-face in DA2 that was also in Awakening, for ine example. Lots of hints Baulder's Gate 1 as to what they wanted to do in Baulder's Gate 2 regarding characters.

It dosnt matter if she was PLANNED to be  LI or not. The point is, its not a retcon because it makes complete sense (her simply not showing her feelings for shepard in ME1), and it dosnt CHANGE anything storywise, therefore its NOT a retcon.

EDIT: And apparently, she WAS going to be a LI was changed at the last second.

Modifié par Quole, 24 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[ADLegend21]

rynluna wrote...

Quole wrote...

Again, you can like somebody and not show it. Maybe she was afraid he wouldnt feel the same way (SHE ACTUALLY SAYS THATS THE REASON FOR NOT SAYING ANYTHING IN ME1, DURING HER ROMANCE) . The point is, it was entirely possible that she likedd shepard and didnt show it.

Ah, and the same could go for any character that wasn't previously a bisexual LI.

They could struggle with their feelings for someone of their gender and finally come to terms with it when Shepard died and now that they're back they can be completely comfortable with it.

[Ryzaki]

Quole wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Making her a better character (in your opinion) doesn't make it any less of a retcon.

except its not a retcon.

Oh? So please point out her obvious crush in Me1. 

Please. I'll wait. 

[Bugsie]

Elite Midget wrote...

Simple.

Retcons fix EVERYTHING... Unless you're a hardcore fan and you notice said Retcons. In that case they ruin EVERYTHING!

 
I never knew what this word was until people started throwing it about in relation to LI’s in the game.
 
My initial two playthroughs of ME had no romance what so ever, I didn’t go back and playthrough ME1 again till after I played and did all the ME2 romances. Does that mean that by going back and replaying and having a romance with all the characters in ME1 I’m retconning my playthroughs of ME2?
 
I’m confused, here I was thinking I was having fun, chopping and changing things to see how it would all play out.  
 
I’ve been sitting on this thread for about a day trying not to get more and more angry at everyone. On one hand I can understand the plea for better characters – gay, bi and straight – but in the light of what they have provided – what is the frigging issue with allowing a s/s choice in the game? Why are people getting so worked up about it?
 
LBGT community suffers enough prejudice in the real world – why aren’t they allowed to have a choice in a video game? Because it affects your reality? What really? What, is just knowing someone is having a s/s romance is wrecking your game play because you don’t see the character that way or you feel it’s been ‘retconned’ in some way?
 
(By the way I’m a Talimancer, Garrusmancer, Mirandamancer, you know, the ones people love to hate on.)
 

MisterDyslexo wrote...
I don't know. I'm no psychology expert, but I've seen women in their early-to-mid thirties without children. They become worried about having children, and get a little more promiscuous with men. In fact thats just textbook psych from my high school class.

WOW, that’s a doozy of a statement there. Can I say this : No you aren’t a psychology expert. 
 
Way to insult me and every other woman who’s worried/concerned about their fertility.

[InvincibleHero]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

About Jack I think she was forced into the threesome. She has a whole rape survivor mentality written into her vocals. It is why she says she doesn't roll that way to a femshep. She did not choose to initiate or keep going with the female once she terminated the male in that relatiponship. Obviously it didn't work out for any of the parties involved.

I'm going to have to disagree. I get the abuse vibe, but that was this whole little thing called "Pragia". After that, doesn't seem like she took **** from anybody. Maybe naive, but wouldn't let somebody take advantage or her if she realized they were doing it.

The whole romance in question took place off of Pragia. She probably kept the downtrodden victim mantle for a great deal of time after she escaped. She is really messed up now and then. She is definitively not bi. She straight out says she isn't to a female Shepard. It is grasping at straws to suggest otherwise. She was reluctant to even talk about past relationships. If she liked it, then she would have had something positive to say about it. She doesn't. My interpretation needs nothing read into it. it makes sense.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Just make Zaeed and Kasumi homosexual LIs in ME3.  That'll take care of it.

Because they are DLCs, I don't think they will be LIs (unfortunately, mostly Kasumi for me, though)

And why would a character being in a DLC elimate this possibility? LotSB is a DLC, but I'll bet Liara being the SB is canon.

They are DLC characters, Liara is not.

And, so what?  Is there some rule that I'm not aware of, that states that a dev can't develop a character that was included in a previous DLC?

I'm saying that it is unlikely.

[Quole]

Ryzaki wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Making her a better character (in your opinion) doesn't make it any less of a retcon.

except its not a retcon.

Oh? So please point out her obvious crush in Me1. 

Please. I'll wait. 

Maybe you havent been reading my other argument. Tali even says in ME2, that she never hinted at a crush in ME1 because she was afraid shepard wouldnt feel the same way. Besides you can like someone and not show it, its actually pretty common.