Jayman1337 wrote...
I'm thinking maybe the reason they made the romances the way they are is that there are actually differences between female Shep and male Shep. Besides the obvious physical differences. I mean, one of the main reasons for replaying as another gender is for a different experience.
I'm guessing they want to add an incentive to replay as another gender, and to stress how different male shep is from female shep.
Just thinking out loud.
What other possible thing could an engineer do on a suicide mission that Shepard, Legion or Kasumi couldnt do/Ryzaki wrote...
Quole wrote...
no. Perhaps I could have explained it better.
The only real talent Tali has that could possibly help in a mission like that is hacking a terminal. SOmething that both Legion and Kasumi can do just as well. So there would need to be three terminals, all of which need to be hacked at the same time in order for Tali to specifically have anything to do on any the mission. So the chances of that happening are incredibly small, not to mention she took all the precautions necessary anyway. So yes, you are blowing it out of proportion.
Did I explain it better this time/
You miss the fact that Tali is a skilled combatant? Certainly not on the levels of some of the crew but she's no slouch. And mechanics can do far more than simply hack terminals. She could've been used for a variety of roles far more important than just hacking anything.
And your still metagaming. They have no clue what they face. For all they kno they could be swarmed by Collectors as soon as they get on ship. They would need as much firepower as they could use to protect themselves. And what pray tell would a sick Tali do other than be a liability and distract Shepard/other crew member who may or may not end up injured/dead/out of the fight trying to protect her?
She becomes a liability.
It is a foolish thing to do.
Bourne Endeavor wrote...
Julie Shepard wrote...
Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Also, I still don't see LIs being bi in ME3 just because it COULD be done. It COULD also be a big failure. How so? Like jeweledleah said, copy and paste and such. I would like to see some FACTS as to how it could be better for them to be bi.
Do you not trust Bioware to reassess and learn?
Give them a little more credit
*looks at Garrus*
"Hey buddy!"
"Can it wait a bit? I'm in the middle of some calibrations."
Yeah, they have not inspired much confidence in character dialogue for this series. So my giving credit account is about empty.
Pacifien wrote...
I had thought the icon representation used by Dragon Age 2 worked well enough, but I read how guys say Anders still hits on a male Hawke. My gut reaction is to think they've clicked on a flirtatious option in spite of my better self saying I should simply give them the benefit of the doubt that the system failed them somehow in avoiding unwanted advances. I don't read about Fenris hitting on the guys, so it half works.Lee337 wrote...
Wasn't it mentioned earlier about an option asking if you wanted to turn on same/sex relationships? Maybe it's a decent idea but instead it should be that same sex is available by default buy have an option in settings to turn off the same sex for those who are uncomfortable with it.
Turning off a setting sounds better to me than having to turn on a setting, but I still have flashes across my eyes of a future as moderator where people fail to find the setting and are outraged at the result. Actually, I should be having this future flash before my ideas by my advocating bisexual/same-sex options, but I have to juggle what I want with the reality of the world while trying to debate here.
rynluna wrote...
Yes, but you ignored poor Paci after she refuted all of your claims in the OP. She basically showed that all your arguments are weak and there was no purpose to your thread but that's okay, you will just ignore it. I'm also still waiting on this supposed video of Tali telling FemShep she doesn't swing that way too, oh wait...you can't find it. How convenient.Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Maybe I was talking about EARLIER IN THE THREAD?
Nashiktal wrote...
I highly doubt any sickness Tali would get from sexing up shep would take effect during the suicide mission. It's not like Tali actually gets a disease from shep as much as her body reacts violently to the foreign substances from shep.
If she were to die, or be severely impaired it would take quite some time to do so. Especially when you consider how often her body is exposed to dangerous substances anyways. (She gets shot to hight hell almost every time she leaves the ship. Hadn't seen her fall to infection yet.)
Not to mention Femshep does the exact same thing with garrus, and maleshep shares the danger of ingesting Tali's dangerous tissue as well.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 07:44 .
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Jayman1337 wrote...
MisterDyslexo wrote...
Jayman1337 wrote...
Personally, I'm going to take the first side. I was able to shut-out all
the Talimance stuff for a while, and then I saw all the "face" videos
on youtube so now I don't have to.
Do you mean to accept the other side in a humorous way or something? Funny vid btw.
You know, it does help a bit. I mean, its just a game. We're all just arguing more passionately over a technicality than the character itself at this point.
That actually does make me LOL. As long as they don't change the character's personality I guess it doesn't matter, since it wouldn't be hinted at if they're bisexual at all for straight sheps.
I would disagree. Liara, the series only bisexual character, not only hints to you the possibility but kinda beats you over the head with it. She openly comes on to you and that can be kinda awkward.
If Bioware did anything like that with an existing character like Garrus or Jack it would be wrong and, since Liara is the only example of the ME team taking a hand at this, the only logical thing to expect is for them to botch it based on their past actions.
The ME team is not the same team as the DA team.
Modifié par Jayman1337, 24 mars 2011 - 07:51 .
Pacifien wrote...
I had thought the icon representation used by Dragon Age 2 worked well enough, but I read how guys say Anders still hits on a male Hawke. My gut reaction is to think they've clicked on a flirtatious option in spite of my better self saying I should simply give them the benefit of the doubt that the system failed them somehow in avoiding unwanted advances. I don't read about Fenris hitting on the guys, so it half works.Lee337 wrote...
Wasn't it mentioned earlier about an option asking if you wanted to turn on same/sex relationships? Maybe it's a decent idea but instead it should be that same sex is available by default buy have an option in settings to turn off the same sex for those who are uncomfortable with it.
Turning off a setting sounds better to me than having to turn on a setting, but I still have flashes across my eyes of a future as moderator where people fail to find the setting and are outraged at the result. Actually, I should be having this future flash before my ideas by my advocating bisexual/same-sex options, but I have to juggle what I want with the reality of the world while trying to debate here.
Quole wrote...
What other possible thing could an engineer do on a suicide mission that Shepard, Legion or Kasumi couldnt do/
It akready established that shepard can hack mechs ect.
Also, Tali is one of the weakest combatants, and besides ONE person being somewhat inhibited in that regard would likely not change anything.
So it possible that it could have negative affects on the mission, just not very likely.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 07:51 .
For the benefit of the player in the world we live in, I would accept it. I'm picky and yet not.jeweledleah wrote...
but if sexuality unacceptance reasons do not exist in a world of Mass effect, then we cannot use "hiding one's sexuality because they would be afaird of negative reaction" as a reason why it only comes up years later, now can we (not to mention all these pesky displays of atraction that both Ash and Kaidan exibit, untill you nip that romance in a bud)??
Fantastic!jeweledleah wrote...
which means, a different reason would have to be created. a different sort of story.
Nashiktal wrote...
Pacifien wrote...
I had thought the icon representation used by Dragon Age 2 worked well enough, but I read how guys say Anders still hits on a male Hawke. My gut reaction is to think they've clicked on a flirtatious option in spite of my better self saying I should simply give them the benefit of the doubt that the system failed them somehow in avoiding unwanted advances. I don't read about Fenris hitting on the guys, so it half works.Lee337 wrote...
Wasn't it mentioned earlier about an option asking if you wanted to turn on same/sex relationships? Maybe it's a decent idea but instead it should be that same sex is available by default buy have an option in settings to turn off the same sex for those who are uncomfortable with it.
Turning off a setting sounds better to me than having to turn on a setting, but I still have flashes across my eyes of a future as moderator where people fail to find the setting and are outraged at the result. Actually, I should be having this future flash before my ideas by my advocating bisexual/same-sex options, but I have to juggle what I want with the reality of the world while trying to debate here.
You would be right there Pacifen. Anders hits on you no matter what, even if you don't initiate flirting. I didn't really mind, and turned him down. However Anders blew up in my face, and I gained rival points with him because of it.
That really annoyed me. Especially because he said *Everyone want to control my thoughts now* when spurned his advances. Pissed me off that did. Oh so i'm not into guys so im controlling your thoughts? Self righteous ******.
jeweledleah wrote...
but if sexuality unacceptance reasons do not exist in a world of Mass effect, then we cannot use "hiding one's sexuality because they would be afaird of negative reaction" as a reason why it only comes up years later, now can we (not to mention all these pesky displays of atraction that both Ash and Kaidan exibit, untill you nip that romance in a bud)??
Pacifien wrote...
For the benefit of the player in the world we live in, I would accept it. I'm picky and yet not.jeweledleah wrote...
but if sexuality unacceptance reasons do not exist in a world of Mass effect, then we cannot use "hiding one's sexuality because they would be afaird of negative reaction" as a reason why it only comes up years later, now can we (not to mention all these pesky displays of atraction that both Ash and Kaidan exibit, untill you nip that romance in a bud)??Fantastic!jeweledleah wrote...
which means, a different reason would have to be created. a different sort of story.
But I've said it before, I'm making no demands of the writers to include bisexual/homosexual relationships in their game unless they feel they want to. I just want them to know that for one person who says it shouldn't be done, there's a person who says it'd be okay if they wanted to. Partly because I think fear of public reaction is what keeps them from attempting such a romance to begin with. If one of the writers felt what wouldn't fly in 2007 might be doable in 2011, by all means, go for it. No good comes from saying they'll inevitably do it wrong, so they shouldn't even try.
Ryzaki wrote...
Quole wrote...
What other possible thing could an engineer do on a suicide mission that Shepard, Legion or Kasumi couldnt do/
It akready established that shepard can hack mechs ect.
Also, Tali is one of the weakest combatants, and besides ONE person being somewhat inhibited in that regard would likely not change anything.
So it possible that it could have negative affects on the mission, just not very likely.
She can fight, hold a gun and cover someone's back. That's already enough.
As for one of the weakest combatants sure but she's still far better than anyone in Cerberus' crew (other than Jacob and Miranda). She's a gun and a good one at that.
She doesn't know whether or not she'd be needed. It was likely they would need her. What if Shepard didn't get the right ship upgrades and seveal people die? What then? What if people were killed by something other than their magical unloyal/wrong specialist flag? What then? She risks the mission to sleep with Shepard. It's really that simple.
What could she have done that Shepard couldn't? Hack a different terminal at the same time, attack an enemy on another side of the room, be apart of a seperate squad.
Instead she risks getting a fever and potentially becoming a liability it's folish and the reason she does it makes her look like an enamored child.
Ryzaki wrote...
Quole wrote...
What other possible thing could an engineer do on a suicide mission that Shepard, Legion or Kasumi couldnt do/
It akready established that shepard can hack mechs ect.
Also, Tali is one of the weakest combatants, and besides ONE person being somewhat inhibited in that regard would likely not change anything.
So it possible that it could have negative affects on the mission, just not very likely.
She can fight, hold a gun and cover someone's back. That's already enough.
As for one of the weakest combatants sure but she's still far better than anyone in Cerberus' crew (other than Jacob and Miranda). She's a gun and a good one at that.
She doesn't know whether or not she'd be needed. It was likely they would need her. What if Shepard didn't get the right ship upgrades and seveal people die? What then? What if people were killed by something other than their magical unloyal/wrong specialist flag? What then? She risks the mission to sleep with Shepard. It's really that simple. (some metagame knowledge but people could die on arrival. Hell that's one of the things Shep is told to prepare for).
What could she have done that Shepard couldn't? Hack a different terminal at the same time, attack an enemy on another side of the room, be apart of a seperate squad.
Instead she risks getting a fever and potentially becoming a liability it's foolish and the reason she does it makes her look like an enamored child.
"Oh I must have sex with Shepard now. It's my last chance."
Yes it doesn't matter that you need to be in peak condition to fight collectors and maker knows what. That all takes a backseat to your wub of the Commander.
Quole wrote...
no. Perhaps I could have explained it better.
The only real talent Tali has that could possibly help in a mission like that is hacking a terminal. SOmething that both Legion and Kasumi can do just as well. So there would need to be three terminals, all of which need to be hacked at the same time in order for Tali to specifically have anything to do on any the mission. So the chances of that happening are incredibly small, not to mention she took all the precautions necessary anyway. So yes, you are blowing it out of proportion.
Did I explain it better this time/
Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 24 mars 2011 - 07:59 .
Quole wrote...
The risk is so unbelievably small that its not even worth debating for all the reasons I just said. Also a ship upgrade? You mean the upgrades that are in no way affected by Talis health because you can get them ANY time before the suicide mission? What is Tali going to do? Upgrade the normandy while its past the omega4 relay? All the reasons your giving are so unlikely that the risk, really isnt even that much of a risk. Hence why I said you arre blowing it out of proportion.
Actually, why am I even debating this? This argument is going nowhere and you clearly wont listen to logic. Have fun in this thread.
Having not played the game, your example fails to demonstrate anything to me.Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Halo 3 ODST was something that shouldn't even have been tried (my opinion).
Nashiktal wrote..
Yes we get you think she acted like a child. You have said that in practically all your posts.
Anyways I agree in the regard that you never know what you will face, and as such need to be prepared. However you are failing to take into account the many times she has gotten sick, or face suit breaches. (come now she has been shot and blown to hell by everything from rockets, bullets, mechs, gunships) and has performed tasks asked of her just fine.
So far all she has shown that the immediate effects are mild symptons that she operates just fine with. Headaches, sinus problems, and fever. All of which plenty of people cope just fine with for work, and one that Tali can apparently do during missions with shep.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 08:05 .
It is, and they should take it to either the Tali thread or start a new thread about it, but I learned awhile back that I can't demand someone do something as a moderator while also participating in the thread. People treat it as a conflict of interest.Lee337 wrote...
Isn't this Tali stuff just waaay off topic?
Bourne Endeavor wrote...
Quole wrote...
no. Perhaps I could have explained it better.
The only real talent Tali has that could possibly help in a mission like that is hacking a terminal. SOmething that both Legion and Kasumi can do just as well. So there would need to be three terminals, all of which need to be hacked at the same time in order for Tali to specifically have anything to do on any the mission. So the chances of that happening are incredibly small, not to mention she took all the precautions necessary anyway. So yes, you are blowing it out of proportion.
Did I explain it better this time/
Hypothetical scenario for you.
Presume your Shepard felt the Normandy could withstand a Collector assault on the vanilla model. Perhaps he was frugal or detested planet scanning; lord knows everyone else did (zing!) Now he and Tali decide to have sex, giving into their hormones despite the risk. This proves disastrous as Tali becomes ill. A realistic possibility being her research of cross species intercourse was mistaken. There is limited documentation after all. Upon arrival Legion is vaporized when the reactor core explodes, and since Kasumi is DLC. We conclude this happens before BioWare released her.
We are now left with the following options...
- Send someone else because Tali may not be capable of accomplishes the task
- Send Tali anyway and hope for the best.
In scenario A, Tali and Shepard's romp in the sack indirectly caused the death of someone else; say Jacob since everyone seems to loathe him. (Zing! x2) In scenario B, while Tali could complete her objective. She could also fail due to lack of urgency or be rendered on unconscious. We do not possess forehand knowledge of the ramifications intercourse with another species may have.
So congratulations. You two have either killed someone or potentially failed the mission. All for sex. I am certain humanity will understand.
There is a reason the term "stupid teenagers and their hormones" exist.
Guest_rynluna_*
Pacifien wrote...
But I've said it before, I'm making no demands of the writers to include bisexual/homosexual relationships in their game unless they feel they want to. I just want them to know that for one person who says it shouldn't be done, there's a person who says it'd be okay if they wanted to. /snippy
Anders never hit on me either, unless someone submits a video of Anders flirting with MaleHawke without Hawke using a flirt option, I'm not going to believe it happened.Pacifien wrote...
I had thought the icon representation used by Dragon Age 2 worked well enough, but I read how guys say Anders still hits on a male Hawke. My gut reaction is to think they've clicked on a flirtatious option in spite of my better self saying I should simply give them the benefit of the doubt that the system failed them somehow in avoiding unwanted advances. I don't read about Fenris hitting on the guys, so it half works.
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