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[Lee337]

Fiddles_stix wrote...

2kgnsiika wrote...

I agree with OP, but the whole point is moot.

There won't be any same sex romances in ME3, because obviously BW/EA don't want that.

Are they worried about profits or mass market appeal?

Mass market maybe, but I don't think sales of DA2 were hampered by same sex relationships. It might be that the team working on it has no expericance with the subject, or that DA2 was testing the water,  and since ME3 is already in production they won't be altering it. Or maybe they are just worried about backlash from fans who use the word retcon a lot.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Lee337 wrote...

Fiddles_stix wrote...

2kgnsiika wrote...

I agree with OP, but the whole point is moot.

There won't be any same sex romances in ME3, because obviously BW/EA don't want that.

Are they worried about profits or mass market appeal?

Mass market maybe, but I don't think sales of DA2 were hampered by same sex relationships. It might be that the team working on it has no expericance with the subject, or that DA2 was testing the water,  and since ME3 is already in production they won't be altering it. Or maybe they are just worried about backlash from fans who use the word retcon a lot.

That definitely, if you ask me.

[Praetor Knight]

That horrible 6-letter word re***n, a puppy and kitty die at each use of the word.

[GuardianAngel470]

rynluna wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

No, it was the straight friend who said he loved you.

First of all, I'd be flattered because that's the kind of person I am. x D  Then I would hope that we could continue to be platonic friends and hope that he is civil about it.  If he's not, well I guess I know what he really wanted all along and I can't give it to him.  Life is too short to dwell on it so he'd go bye bye. 

It would also be completely beneath me to want to end the friendship because I'm gay and he's straight. 

Refer to my edited post above and I also agree with Lee.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

That horrible 6-letter word re***n, a puppy and kitty die at each use of the word.

It's used too much.

[GuardianAngel470]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

That horrible 6-letter word re***n, a puppy and kitty die at each use of the word.

It's used too much.

When I first heard it I thought it was a reference to a spaceship shooter of some sort like Star Fox or something.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

rynluna wrote...

Lee337 wrote...
Simply staying in the thread to keep defending your view is pointless as we know your view. You view the other thread as a quality thread because it's more agreeable with your views.

Nope.  That thread is a debate thread in itself and is not just for the pro s/s supporters.  People that are against s/s mances are encouraged to provide their opinions.  This thread we're in currently states opinions on shaky ground as well as continually stating that Gar/Tali retcons are okay but bisexual ones are not.  That opinion alone creates much controversy and so many will be arguing about it.

As for the "I'm not homophobic/hypocrite excuse" part, you are quick to throw accusations but you aren't any better than Wolfen in this. You are just two different sides, and at least Wolfen has accepted that having a new character being gay or bi is acceptable to him. You've offered nothing.

And I would be okay with a new char being gay or bi but also don't see a problem with an existing one being open to s/s either.  If he hadn't had stated that Gar/Tali is fine but no gay, then I still would't be arguing this. 

What am I suppose to offer?  Am I suppose to be okay with the notion that it would be so wrong for Kaidan to be open to Shepard's advances?  I can't be okay with that because that is quite homophobic.  I know, people hate that word but that's really what it is.  So is the stereotypical view that a potential LI is going to want to jump your bones without you the player being able to iniate it.  Hell, I'm okay if we get no s/s romances in ME3 at all but until that time comes, I'm going to debate the issue as I see fit here.

Do... do you understand that what I'm saying here is NOT homophobic? I bet, that if Iposted my reasons here on that thread, I would be called a homophobe JUST because I disagree with you on this.

[Lee337]

Rynluna, I simply don't see the point in arguing the same point over and over without progression, in a thread that you don't like to be in. You don't like the OP, he asked for opinions in it. The other thread is a broader concept, this thread is focused on changing characters or not. We have established that you are for change and Wolfen is against it, only new characters. Rather than argue the same points again and again, how about we give ideas for solutions and if you're not willing to do that, you have no right to throw insults.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Lee337 wrote...

Rynluna, I simply don't see the point in arguing the same point over and over without progression, in a thread that you don't like to be in. You don't like the OP, he asked for opinions in it. The other thread is a broader concept, this thread is focused on changing characters or not. We have established that you are for change and Wolfen is against it, only new characters. Rather than argue the same points again and again, how about we give ideas for solutions and if you're not willing to do that, you have no right to throw insults.

Seriously, I think she's just here to argue....

[Ramirez Wolfen]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

That horrible 6-letter word re***n, a puppy and kitty die at each use of the word.

It's used too much.

When I first heard it I thought it was a reference to a spaceship shooter of some sort like Star Fox or something.

LOL I thought that, too.

[Centauri2002]

This is still going? D:

It's the same arguments going around and around. It's turned into arguing for the sake of it too. Ramirez, seriously, stop trying to keep this topic going. Post something new to debate over, if you must, but this thread is stale.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

centauri2002 wrote...

This is still going? D:

It's the same arguments going around and around. It's turned into arguing for the sake of it too. Ramirez, seriously, stop trying to keep this topic going. Post something new to debate over, if you must, but this thread is stale.

Would you believe it's NOT me?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

rynluna wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Do... do you understand that what I'm saying here is NOT homophobic? I bet, that if Iposted my reasons here on that thread, I would be called a homophobe JUST because I disagree with you on this.

Being true friends with someone and then not being able to deal with him coming out to you or admitting his feelings to you is homophobic.  Your friendship is suddenly null and void because he is gay. 

Lee337 wrote...

Rynluna, I simply don't see the point in
arguing the same point over and over without progression, in a thread
that you don't like to be in. You don't like the OP, he asked for
opinions in it. The other thread is a broader concept, this thread is
focused on changing characters or not. We have established that you are
for change and Wolfen is against it, only new characters. Rather than
argue the same points again and again, how about we give ideas for
solutions and if you're not willing to do that, you have no right to
throw insults.

Solutions are no s/s mances at all in ME3,
retconning a char or 2, or making everyone bi.  I am fine with either. 
Stating my opinion on the matter is not insulting and I personally find
the stereotypes homophobic.  That's not meant to be insulting, that's
me stating an opinion. 

You didn't listen to my reason, which isn't homophobic. The relationship would be different because he is wanting something ME that I could NEVER give him. It's not because he's gay, it's because he loves me and I don't love him that way.

[Centauri2002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

This is still going? D:

It's the same arguments going around and around. It's turned into arguing for the sake of it too. Ramirez, seriously, stop trying to keep this topic going. Post something new to debate over, if you must, but this thread is stale.

Would you believe it's NOT me?

I've seen your posts when there's a lull in the thread, don't give me that.  

Can anyone come up with something new to add to this debate though? I don't think we've had a fresh viewpoint for a while.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

centauri2002 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

This is still going? D:

It's the same arguments going around and around. It's turned into arguing for the sake of it too. Ramirez, seriously, stop trying to keep this topic going. Post something new to debate over, if you must, but this thread is stale.

Would you believe it's NOT me?

I've seen your posts when there's a lull in the thread, don't give me that.  

Can anyone come up with something new to add to this debate though? I don't think we've had a fresh viewpoint for a while.

What posts? The ones where I am explaining myself?

[Lee337]

I think the word homophobic has a really bad stigma as if it is evil.
I would consider myself homophobic in that I don't like males coming on to me, kissing etc, but that I am able to deal with it and can still accept people for who they are so long as they don't keep advancing on me, shows, or I think it should that I'm not a jerk, but the word homophobic has the stigma that implies I am. I don't get angry at gay people and can accept them, so I would hope they would accept me for being homophobic.

The solution of no S/S is probablly what will happen. I'd be fine with a a character revealing they are bi, so long as the friendship stays open, making everyone bi would be wierd unless I had my amazing turn off gay dialogue button!
The thing is with making everyone bi or even just one character is how it is approached.
Does it bother you if your Shep is always the one to start off these conversations?

[Centauri2002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

This is still going? D:

It's the same arguments going around and around. It's turned into arguing for the sake of it too. Ramirez, seriously, stop trying to keep this topic going. Post something new to debate over, if you must, but this thread is stale.

Would you believe it's NOT me?

I've seen your posts when there's a lull in the thread, don't give me that.  

Can anyone come up with something new to add to this debate though? I don't think we've had a fresh viewpoint for a while.

What posts? The ones where I am explaining myself?

No, I wasn't referring to these recent ones. I was meaning the posts spotted around all through the thread where you're clearly trying to stimulate more debate. That would be fine if we weren't going around in circles. Don't make me go back and find them. D:

[Praetor Knight]

I'd like to add this to the discussion, since it seems to be relevant enough.

So, I've read about and heard stuff regarding the nature vs. nurture stuff with how individuals are. And what I've come to understand is that people are biologically one way or the other in their orientation, and then socially is where an individual can be in denial of their true self from outside pressures (self imposed pressures or from archaic cultural norms), meaning that the choice is denying it or not. And the more poignant moments I've come across are when an individual is so in denial that they are against that natural inclination. Case in point, anti-homosexual politicians engaging in encounters they are vehemently against.

So my question is it really a choice that some one has with orientation?

I personally don't know either way, which is why I'm asking what others think.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Actually, at one point, I wasn't even posting (I fell a sleep for a bit), and when I woke uo this thread was STILL at the top.

[Lee337]

centauri2002 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

This is still going? D:

It's the same arguments going around and around. It's turned into arguing for the sake of it too. Ramirez, seriously, stop trying to keep this topic going. Post something new to debate over, if you must, but this thread is stale.

Would you believe it's NOT me?

I've seen your posts when there's a lull in the thread, don't give me that.  

Can anyone come up with something new to add to this debate though? I don't think we've had a fresh viewpoint for a while.

Not really. It's simply that you want it, don't want it, don't care and theres been a few ideas posted about how to solve the problem, not just in ME3 but in future games, but that was largely ignored to continue arguing!

[Centauri2002]

Lee337 wrote...

I think the word homophobic has a really bad stigma as if it is evil.
I would consider myself homophobic in that I don't like males coming on to me, kissing etc, but that I am able to deal with it and can still accept people for who they are so long as they don't keep advancing on me, shows, or I think it should that I'm not a jerk, but the word homophobic has the stigma that implies I am. I don't get angry at gay people and can accept them, so I would hope they would accept me for being homophobic.

The solution of no S/S is probablly what will happen. I'd be fine with a a character revealing they are bi, so long as the friendship stays open, making everyone bi would be wierd unless I had my amazing turn off gay dialogue button!
The thing is with making everyone bi or even just one character is how it is approached.
Does it bother you if your Shep is always the one to start off these conversations?

I don't think that makes you homophobic. You just know what you like and what you don't. Homophobia is more about an inexplicable fear of gays, although the term has been warped. For example, I don't want guys coming onto me and I'm not exactly enamoured by straight displays of affection either but that doesn't make me a heterophobe. I do think homophobe is thrown around far too easily though.

One thing that bothered me in ME2 is that my FemShep was almost immediately flirty with Jacob. I didn't select any dialogue option to flirt with him but from the tone of her voice it sounded like she wanted to jump him. I felt a little out of control of my character for a moment there. It may not be realistic to have Shepard initiate all romantic advances, but I think it's probably fairer for the player.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I know I know, generally one would actually have to read a thread to know what is going on. But this is over 60 pages and since I am who I am I know what happens in threads like this

Is this a no to any LI or just a no to the DA 2 treatment?