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[Ramirez Wolfen]

AwesomeAuger wrote...

How about they release a DLC character with Mass Effect 3 that can be bi? That way us that want a straight Shep with a straight squad are satisfied, and those who want a bi Shep have an option in some DLC.

BioWare gets some extra cash, straights aren't disturbed by gay squad members, and bisexuals get an option to have a bisexual squad member.

That's an idea I think everyone can agree with. I have stated this before.

[Naltair]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Okay, that I will grant you; perception is flawed, but it is what it is. But then we get into a whole argument about perception as well. Some people say that Tali has no interest in a female Shepard, to which others (myself included) might say, "Which game have you been playing?" For Tali, Garrus and Jack, there have at least been seeds planted that could easily prove to be evidence for bisexual leanings towards Shepard (or, in the case of Jack, possibly just vague bisexual leanings that don't include Shepard). We also don't know what characters have been hiding. Kaidan may have wanted to get in M!Shep's pants for two games now, but because he didn't want, well, the sorts of heckling that this thread has revealed ("Holy crap, Kaidan, your character is ruined!") he hasn't said anything. Who knows?

To put it another way, I am a man this will not change.  I am a heterosexual man by self identification and orientation.  But if I meet a man that makes me want to be with him and we pursue a relationship then when I am with him I am at least bisexual if not gay.  I can't tell my friends, "Well I have been with Robert for four years now, we love each other, but I am still straight.  I am only gay for Robert."

That makes no sense.

[UsagiVindaloo]

[quote]AwesomeAuger wrote...

Since the true Shepard is male, Im always referancing the male Shapard.  Ill never play the game as femshep because that was thrown in to give the girls a heroin.  Since every single ad for the game shows Male Shepard with the default face, that is the real Shapard. So no they arnt the same toon.
[/quote]

This is correct.

[/quote]

Wait, what?

Female Shepard may not be on the posters as much, but that doesn't mean she isn't equally important and worthy as Male Shepard. She IS Shepard, just as Male Shepard IS Shepard. You cannot treat them differently, and you CANNOT give one more or less respect than the other.

[Bourne Endeavor]

I share the OP's opinion, albeit for a different reason than what has been discussed. BioWare has proven thus far incapable of writing dialogue from a friendship perspective for heterosexual characters. Garrus has virtually nothing of real substance unless you pursue a romance and Miranda closes off following her loyalty mission. DA2 is particularly egregious when Anders or Isabela are mechanically miffed (Rivalry points) if you cite yourself not interest.

I have no qualms with different sexually defined characters, and in actuality am open to their inclusion but only when BioWare adheres to the "Friendship" arc as an alternative. I am among the few who did not wish to pursue a canon romance with Garrus or Tali due to the majority of my Shepard's viewing them in a sibling or best mate-esque fashion. You can be assured if Garrus abruptly showed sexual interest and content was lost were I to deny his advance, it would certainly draw my ire.

When BioWare can write the aforementioned. We can discuss this, and not a moment before.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 22 mars 2011 - 05:45 .

[Naltair]

kumquats wrote...

Your absolutely right. The main thing is, I don't get the problem.
You have your final save for ME3, with your LI. So why be annoyed if there are more options later on.
I don't get it.

I am not against your stance, I just prefer precision and accuracy.

[Naltair]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I share the OP's opinion, albeit for a different reason than what has been discussed. BioWare has proven thus far incapable of writing dialogue from a friendship perspective for heterosexual characters. Garrus has virtually nothing of real substance unless you pursue a romance and Miranda closes off following her loyalty mission. DA2 is particularly egregious when Anders or Isabela are mechanically miffed (Rivalry points) if you cite yourself not interest.

I have no qualms with different sexually defined characters, and in actuality am open to their inclusion but only when BioWare adheres to the "Friendship" arc as an alternative. I am among the few who did not wish to pursue a canon romance with Garrus or Tali due to the majority of my Shepard's viewing them in a sibling or best mate-esque fashion. You can be assured if Garrus abruptly showed sexual interest and content was lost were I to deny his advance, it would certainly draw my ire.

When BioWare can write the aforementioned. We can discuss this, and not a moment before.

I really do want more substantial friendship dialogue.

[Naltair]

Nyoka wrote...

coolair74 wrote...
femshep...was thrown in to give the girls a heroin.

Right, and the possibility to be black was thrown to give the blacks a hero.

Do you realize that your post is disgusting? I suppose you don't.

My Shepard is and always will be Black.  Black is beautiful.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I share the OP's opinion, albeit for a different reason than what has been discussed. BioWare has proven thus far incapable of writing dialogue from a friendship perspective for heterosexual characters. Garrus has virtually nothing of real substance unless you pursue a romance and Miranda closes off following her loyalty mission. DA2 is particularly egregious when Anders or Isabela are mechanically miffed (Rivalry points) if you cite yourself not interest.

I have no qualms with different sexually defined characters, and in actuality am open to their inclusion but only when BioWare adheres to the "Friendship" arc as an alternative. I am among the few who did not wish to pursue a canon romance with Garrus or Tali due to the majority of my Shepard's viewing them in a sibling or best mate-esque fashion. You can be assured if Garrus abruptly showed sexual interest and content was lost were I to deny his advance, it would certainly draw my ire.

When BioWare can write the aforementioned. We can discuss this, and not a moment before.

This too.

[Siansonea]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Where I live, people who are gay aren't that hard to recognize. btw, I live in a CITY. I know it may not be that way for everyone, but quite a few aren't hard to recognize.

So, you think you've seen them ALL? There's no chance that some people you don't get that 'vibe' from could be gay without you knowing it? You really think you're THAT perceptive? I have to say, I think you're wrong on this one. Sure, there are plenty of people who wear their sexuality on their sleeve, but if you think those people comprise the totality of homosexual or bisexual persons in your community, you are mistaken, plain and simple.

Try again, please. <_<

And this is why this whole discussion topic is pointless.

Here's the flow chart for those of you just joining us:

Step 1: Assumption #1: I can spot a Gay Homosexual a mile away! They all act effeminate-like!
Step 2: Observation #1: I didn't get a gay vibe from Shepard or any of them other dudes in the game!
Step 3: Question Premise, Reevaluate Assumptions (SKIPPED BY USER)
Step 4: Conclusion based on Assumption #1 and Observation #1: Shepard and them dudes can't be bisexual or gay, y'all!
Step 5: Use Conclusion from Step 4 to support other arguments, even if they are unrelated.

Fact: The above assumption is just that, an ASSUMPTION. And a particularly faulty one. And the observation is based on an invalid assumption, rendering the observation invalid. So you've got an invalid assumption, an invalid observation, and an invalid conclusion, but nowhere in that mix is there any room for self-analysis or critical review.

But you didn't create this topic to explore your own assumptions Ramirez, you simply wanted to watch some fireworks. I hope it was fun for you. But don't worry, I understood the futility of trying to educate you and your brethren from the beginning. But pride goeth before a fall, and you will have to learn how wrong you are the old fashioned way.

[UsagiVindaloo]

Naltair wrote...

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Okay, that I will grant you; perception is flawed, but it is what it is. But then we get into a whole argument about perception as well. Some people say that Tali has no interest in a female Shepard, to which others (myself included) might say, "Which game have you been playing?" For Tali, Garrus and Jack, there have at least been seeds planted that could easily prove to be evidence for bisexual leanings towards Shepard (or, in the case of Jack, possibly just vague bisexual leanings that don't include Shepard). We also don't know what characters have been hiding. Kaidan may have wanted to get in M!Shep's pants for two games now, but because he didn't want, well, the sorts of heckling that this thread has revealed ("Holy crap, Kaidan, your character is ruined!") he hasn't said anything. Who knows?

To put it another way, I am a man this will not change.  I am a heterosexual man by self identification and orientation.  But if I meet a man that makes me want to be with him and we pursue a relationship then when I am with him I am at least bisexual if not gay.  I can't tell my friends, "Well I have been with Robert for four years now, we love each other, but I am still straight.  I am only gay for Robert."

That makes no sense.

... that... actually makes absolute 100% sense. I would totally accept that as a statement, and I would totally accept you as a straight man who just happened to be "gay for Robert", as you say. That's basic common courtesy, to accept how you identify yourself. If you *didn't* say that, yes, I'd assume you were bisexual. If you said you were straight, then I'd see you as straight. Pretty simple.

Besides, that wasn't my point in my response to you. My point is that one could very well argue that Tali, Garrus, Jack and possibly even Kaidan are ALREADY bisexual or Shepard-sexual based on their actions and dialogue. Tali gets flustered about the suit thing. Garrus says that he might not like humans but he does like Shepard (i.e. that it's not about what is *usually* sexually attractive to him). Jack has canonically slept with women, though the jury is out on whether this is a permanent thing or just situational sex. And Kaidan... ok, perhaps less evidence and more inference based on his behaviour (why DOES he seem so personally hurt when Male!Shep comes back from the dead? In contrast, Ashley just seems annoyed at Fem!Shep)

Have they come out and said they're bisexual? No. Could Bioware say, "actually they are," and have evidence to point to that "proves" it? Sure.

[apotheosic]

coolair74 wrote...

Since the true Shepard is male, Im always referancing the male Shapard.  Ill never play the game as femshep because that was thrown in to give the girls a heroin.  Since every single ad for the game shows Male Shepard with the default face, that is the real Shapard. So no they arnt the same toon.

You just lost what little credibilty you may have hade left. Sheploo is no more canon than femshep, who is no more canon than one of my cutsom Sehpards.
The ad campaign must use a specific shepard for practicality reasons. How recognizable would the game be to the average uneducated consumer if every commercial showed a completely different main character? It wouldn't be. It would be a total failure of an ad campaign.

However, this thread is not about Shepard's sexuality, it is about the LI's sexuality. Which in my opinion, is already set in stone. Changing something like that so late in the series would be foolish of Bioware to do. I would not mind, however, if a new LI was added in ME3 who was bi.

[MajesticJazz]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

7.  Why Bioware can't do it for folks who want Bi LIs? Simple:

It's too late and it ruins the character (if you ask me)

It effects me only if the character wasn't bi or gay from the start and just suddenly chooses to be that way. Otherwise, I don't care.

It is clear that you're either a homophobe or just a REALLY closed minded person who beliefs that your beliefs are the superior beliefs over others if they don't agree with you. When I make a opinion, at least I detail it bit by bid and not offer "vague" sentences that just beats around the bush. It is clear that you have no real justification to not having old characters turn BI in ME3 other than you are just against it. Very elementary argument if you ask me.

Also, you fail to answer my question regarding Bioware doing the Tali romance in ME2 to appease a "niche audience". Judging by your sig, you have a Tali/Shepard romanced theme sig which would imply that you support/liked the Tali romance in ME2. 

It wasn't implied NOWHERE in ME1 that Tali was interested in Shepard or that humans can have sex with Quarians. However all of that changed for ME2 because suddenly Tali gained this huge fanbase, even larger than Wrex's. This fanbase (mostly younger teenage boys) found Tali very attractive and was kinda set back that she wasn't a romance option alongside Liara and Ashley. Even Bioware admitted that they didn't expect people to find aliens with a hidden face and "chicken feet" to be viewed as sexy/attractive. So they decided to "Appease" to this crowd and make Tali not only Shepard's cheerleader in ME2, but also his romance.

You seem to support Bioware's decision to "appease" to the "Talimancer" crowd by doing a 180 turn and making Tali a romance option out of nowhere. However you are against Bioware to "appease" to the BI romance supporters to do a 180 turn and making Ashley/Kaiden/Miranda/Jack/Jacob etc....BI romance options.

Again, this just proves that your argument is lacking valid foundation as you have faild to really detail your motives outside of "I just think it's weird" stance.

And if you cannot dig up such validation then yes, you are a homophobe.

Calling me a homophobe because I don't want characters being changed this late in the game? REALLY? <_<

Attacking the Tali fanbase, too?

Your point is invalid.

And yet you STILL HAVE FAILED to answer my question regarding Bioware's 180 stance about Tali in ME1 vs ME2.

Again, why do you not argue against Bioware suddenly making Tali a love option in ME1 when there was clearly no evidence of Tali's interest in Shepard in ME1? Yet you argue against Bioware suddenly making current straight LIs Bisexual in ME3 when there was no clear evidence of such stance in ME2 or ME1.

It isn't too late for Miranda to go BI or Jacob to go BI or even Thane to go BI just like it wasn't too late for Tali/Shepard to get the hotts for each other in ME2.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Where I live, people who are gay aren't that hard to recognize. btw, I live in a CITY. I know it may not be that way for everyone, but quite a few aren't hard to recognize.

So, you think you've seen them ALL? There's no chance that some people you don't get that 'vibe' from could be gay without you knowing it? You really think you're THAT perceptive? I have to say, I think you're wrong on this one. Sure, there are plenty of people who wear their sexuality on their sleeve, but if you think those people comprise the totality of homosexual or bisexual persons in your community, you are mistaken, plain and simple.

Try again, please. <_<

And this is why this whole discussion topic is pointless.

Here's the flow chart for those of you just joining us:

Step 1: Assumption #1: I can spot a Gay Homosexual a mile away! They all act effeminate-like!
Step 2: Observation #1: I didn't get a gay vibe from Shepard or any of them other dudes in the game!
Step 3: Question Premise, Reevaluate Assumptions (SKIPPED BY USER)
Step 4: Conclusion based on Assumption #1 and Observation #1: Shepard and them dudes can't be bisexual or gay, y'all!
Step 5: Use Conclusion from Step 4 to support other arguments, even if they are unrelated.

Fact: The above assumption is just that, an ASSUMPTION. And a particularly faulty one. And the observation is based on an invalid assumption, rendering the observation invalid. So you've got an invalid assumption, an invalid observation, and an invalid conclusion, but nowhere in that mix is there any room for self-analysis or critical review.

But you didn't create this topic to explore your own assumptions Ramirez, you simply wanted to watch some fireworks. I hope it was fun for you. But don't worry, I understood the futility of trying to educate you and your brethren from the beginning. But pride goeth before a fall, and you will have to learn how wrong you are the old fashioned way.

What? When did I say that ALL homosexuals are effiminate? That wasn't said ONCE by me.

Accusing me of trolling? REALLY? I want to discuss this, not watch arguments. I haven't made one insulting statement to anyone here. Me and my brethren? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How am I wrong? 

Prove it.

[Siansonea]

AwesomeAuger wrote...

Since the true Shepard is male, Im always referancing the male Shapard.  Ill never play the game as femshep because that was thrown in to give the girls a heroin.  Since every single ad for the game shows Male Shepard with the default face, that is the real Shapard. So no they arnt the same toon.

This is correct.

And this is why Madison Avenue loves your demographic. Talk about fish in a barrel.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 22 mars 2011 - 06:01 .

[Naltair]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

... that... actually makes absolute 100% sense. I would totally accept that as a statement, and I would totally accept you as a straight man who just happened to be "gay for Robert", as you say. That's basic common courtesy, to accept how you identify yourself. If you *didn't* say that, yes, I'd assume you were bisexual. If you said you were straight, then I'd see you as straight. Pretty simple.

The fact of the matter though is that it isn't true.  I can call myself whatever I like but the facts remain I am engaged in a same sex relationship.  But eh, it's semantics I suppose.  I do appreciate you honoring my request, LOL, but seriously i think in that situation I would just be deluding myself.

Anyway, enough of that derailment.

[coolair74]

[quote]UsagiVindaloo wrote...

[quote]AwesomeAuger wrote...

Since the true Shepard is male, Im always referancing the male Shapard.  Ill never play the game as femshep because that was thrown in to give the girls a heroin.  Since every single ad for the game shows Male Shepard with the default face, that is the real Shapard. So no they arnt the same toon.
[/quote]

This is correct.

[/quote]

Wait, what?

Female Shepard may not be on the posters as much, but that doesn't mean she isn't equally important and worthy as Male Shepard. She IS Shepard, just as Male Shepard IS Shepard. You cannot treat them differently, and you CANNOT give one more or less respect than the other.

[/quote]

As much? Find me one. I havent seen it.

Ok who was in the trailer for ME3? Nuff said. He was ment to be male and thats what they marketed it.

Im not saying the female version is any less important, she did have better voice over work, and I can see your point since they included weird Kelly, I only romance her until she feeds my fish, cus that is annoying.  Liara doesnt count, her whole race looks female. While some may think that is a lesbian thing it really isnt cus eventually, Liara is gonna start pooping out little blue kids. And your femshep is the daddy  They really couldnt get around this.

Perhaps Femshep is Bi , and thats the way they wanted it. Im sure they saw some teenage boys playing as femshep to see the love scene with Liara. Sex sells my dear and its a double standard but many strait guys love to see two woman going at it.

[Naltair]

MajesticJazz wrote...

And yet you STILL HAVE FAILED to answer my question regarding Bioware's 180 stance about Tali in ME1 vs ME2.

Again, why do you not argue against Bioware suddenly making Tali a love option in ME1 when there was clearly no evidence of Tali's interest in Shepard in ME1? Yet you argue against Bioware suddenly making current straight LIs Bisexual in ME3 when there was no clear evidence of such stance in ME2 or ME1.

It isn't too late for Miranda to go BI or Jacob to go BI or even Thane to go BI just like it wasn't too late for Tali/Shepard to get the hotts for each other in ME2.

Saying they pulled a 180 with Tali is misleading.  It is obvious it was done at the behest of fans but saying it came out of left field is doing both her and Garrus a disservice.  They were both very popular characters with very vocal fan bases.  It was a no brainer.  

The issue here is that the choices were barred to only one respective gender.

To be honest I would rather see at least one male same sex option before we add another female same sex option and completely turn Female Shepard into an avatar for male wet dreams.

[UsagiVindaloo]

apotheosic wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Since the true Shepard is male, Im always referancing the male Shapard.  Ill never play the game as femshep because that was thrown in to give the girls a heroin.  Since every single ad for the game shows Male Shepard with the default face, that is the real Shapard. So no they arnt the same toon.

You just lost what little credibilty you may have hade left. Sheploo is no more canon than femshep, who is no more canon than one of my cutsom Sehpards.
The ad campaign must use a specific shepard for practicality reasons. How recognizable would the game be to the average uneducated consumer if every commercial showed a completely different main character? It wouldn't be. It would be a total failure of an ad campaign.

However, this thread is not about Shepard's sexuality, it is about the LI's sexuality. Which in my opinion, is already set in stone. Changing something like that so late in the series would be foolish of Bioware to do. I would not mind, however, if a new LI was added in ME3 who was bi.

See, here's the thing. I don't see it as "changing" anyone's sexuality. I see it as revealing more facets of the character. I see it as the characters themselves growing and gaining confidence enough to say something about their feelings. Obviously this would be dependant on Bioware's writing. If it's SUDDENLY I HAVE MASSIVE LUST FOR YOU... then yes, that would be a problem. But if it's, "I've had feeling for you for a long time, but been too shy to say anything," then I don't see a problem with that.

Take Tali, for example. By nature, she's very shy and flustered about her own feelings and tends not to foist them on others too much. Let's just pretend that she has as much love for FemShep as for MaleShep. Thus resulting in the following character arc:
ME1: Has a crush on Shepard regardless of gender, but keeps it on the down low because she doesn't want to be the annoying young fangirl or whatever.
ME2: Still has a crush. If Shepard is male, she is barely able to summon up enough courage to confess her feelings (and consider that M!Shep does sort of corner her on this); luckily, no one is going to blink if a guy human and a girl quarian hooks up, so at least it's more of a general love confession and nothing else. If Shepard is female, then she has a lot of EXTRA worry on top of it. What will people think? Does Shepard even like girls? The extra nerves keeps her silent, though she nearly blabs about wanting to share suit environments with her.
ME3: Has grown a bit more confident and now has the courage to admit to FemShep that yes, she would like to calibrate her engines, if you know what I mean.

[Xilizhra]

And your femshep is the daddy They really couldnt get around this.

Um... what?
I don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about here.

[Siansonea]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Where I live, people who are gay aren't that hard to recognize. btw, I live in a CITY. I know it may not be that way for everyone, but quite a few aren't hard to recognize.

So, you think you've seen them ALL? There's no chance that some people you don't get that 'vibe' from could be gay without you knowing it? You really think you're THAT perceptive? I have to say, I think you're wrong on this one. Sure, there are plenty of people who wear their sexuality on their sleeve, but if you think those people comprise the totality of homosexual or bisexual persons in your community, you are mistaken, plain and simple.

Try again, please. <_<

And this is why this whole discussion topic is pointless.

Here's the flow chart for those of you just joining us:

Step 1: Assumption #1: I can spot a Gay Homosexual a mile away! They all act effeminate-like!
Step 2: Observation #1: I didn't get a gay vibe from Shepard or any of them other dudes in the game!
Step 3: Question Premise, Reevaluate Assumptions (SKIPPED BY USER)
Step 4: Conclusion based on Assumption #1 and Observation #1: Shepard and them dudes can't be bisexual or gay, y'all!
Step 5: Use Conclusion from Step 4 to support other arguments, even if they are unrelated.

Fact: The above assumption is just that, an ASSUMPTION. And a particularly faulty one. And the observation is based on an invalid assumption, rendering the observation invalid. So you've got an invalid assumption, an invalid observation, and an invalid conclusion, but nowhere in that mix is there any room for self-analysis or critical review.

But you didn't create this topic to explore your own assumptions Ramirez, you simply wanted to watch some fireworks. I hope it was fun for you. But don't worry, I understood the futility of trying to educate you and your brethren from the beginning. But pride goeth before a fall, and you will have to learn how wrong you are the old fashioned way.

What? When did I say that ALL homosexuals are effiminate? That wasn't said ONCE by me.

Accusing me of trolling? REALLY? I want to discuss this, not watch arguments. I haven't made one insulting statement to anyone here. Me and my brethren? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? How am I wrong? 

Prove it.

When I said that it is impossible to determine if someone is homosexual from a few brief conversations, you dismissed that idea as if it were self-evident. Which it is not. That right there tells me that you AREN'T LISTENING.

So whatever dude, have fun, and make sure you buy the new DLC coming soon to all platforms! It's called Arrival™, and if you think you know what's coming, you're in for a big surprise. And by big surprise I mean penis.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

7.  Why Bioware can't do it for folks who want Bi LIs? Simple:

It's too late and it ruins the character (if you ask me)

It effects me only if the character wasn't bi or gay from the start and just suddenly chooses to be that way. Otherwise, I don't care.

It is clear that you're either a homophobe or just a REALLY closed minded person who beliefs that your beliefs are the superior beliefs over others if they don't agree with you. When I make a opinion, at least I detail it bit by bid and not offer "vague" sentences that just beats around the bush. It is clear that you have no real justification to not having old characters turn BI in ME3 other than you are just against it. Very elementary argument if you ask me.

Also, you fail to answer my question regarding Bioware doing the Tali romance in ME2 to appease a "niche audience". Judging by your sig, you have a Tali/Shepard romanced theme sig which would imply that you support/liked the Tali romance in ME2. 

It wasn't implied NOWHERE in ME1 that Tali was interested in Shepard or that humans can have sex with Quarians. However all of that changed for ME2 because suddenly Tali gained this huge fanbase, even larger than Wrex's. This fanbase (mostly younger teenage boys) found Tali very attractive and was kinda set back that she wasn't a romance option alongside Liara and Ashley. Even Bioware admitted that they didn't expect people to find aliens with a hidden face and "chicken feet" to be viewed as sexy/attractive. So they decided to "Appease" to this crowd and make Tali not only Shepard's cheerleader in ME2, but also his romance.

You seem to support Bioware's decision to "appease" to the "Talimancer" crowd by doing a 180 turn and making Tali a romance option out of nowhere. However you are against Bioware to "appease" to the BI romance supporters to do a 180 turn and making Ashley/Kaiden/Miranda/Jack/Jacob etc....BI romance options.

Again, this just proves that your argument is lacking valid foundation as you have faild to really detail your motives outside of "I just think it's weird" stance.

And if you cannot dig up such validation then yes, you are a homophobe.

Calling me a homophobe because I don't want characters being changed this late in the game? REALLY? <_<

Attacking the Tali fanbase, too?

Your point is invalid.

And yet you STILL HAVE FAILED to answer my question regarding Bioware's 180 stance about Tali in ME1 vs ME2.

Again, why do you not argue against Bioware suddenly making Tali a love option in ME1 when there was clearly no evidence of Tali's interest in Shepard in ME1? Yet you argue against Bioware suddenly making current straight LIs Bisexual in ME3 when there was no clear evidence of such stance in ME2 or ME1.

It isn't too late for Miranda to go BI or Jacob to go BI or even Thane to go BI just like it wasn't too late for Tali/Shepard to get the hotts for each other in ME2.

Actually, I think I heard somewhere that Bioware intended for Tali to be romanceable in ME1 (I'm currently looking for proof), but changed it.

And what does having a character BECOME romanceable have to do with  changing a character's sexual preference?

It actually is too late for that. It's the END OF SHEPARD'S STORY, ME3 will be about defeating the Reapers, not building a team (which is good for romance development), and they are ALREADY STRAIGHT.

Also, once again, If this was ME1, I wouldn't care.

[MajesticJazz]

Modifié par MajesticJazz, 22 mars 2011 - 06:02 .

[UsagiVindaloo]

[quote]coolair74 wrote...

[quote]UsagiVindaloo wrote...

[quote]AwesomeAuger wrote...

Since the true Shepard is male, Im always referancing the male Shapard.  Ill never play the game as femshep because that was thrown in to give the girls a heroin.  Since every single ad for the game shows Male Shepard with the default face, that is the real Shapard. So no they arnt the same toon.
[/quote]

This is correct.

[/quote]

Wait, what?

Female Shepard may not be on the posters as much, but that doesn't mean she isn't equally important and worthy as Male Shepard. She IS Shepard, just as Male Shepard IS Shepard. You cannot treat them differently, and you CANNOT give one more or less respect than the other.

[/quote]

As much? Find me one. I havent seen it.

Ok who was in the trailer for ME3? Nuff said. He was ment to be male and thats what they marketed it.

Im not saying the female version is any less important, she did have better voice over work, and I can see your point since they included weird Kelly, I only romance her until she feeds my fish, cus that is annoying.  Liara doesnt count, her whole race looks female. While some may think that is a lesbian thing it really isnt cus eventually, Liara is gonna start pooping out little blue kids. And your femshep is the daddy  They really couldnt get around this.

Perhaps Femshep is Bi , and thats the way they wanted it. Im sure they saw some teenage boys playing as femshep to see the love scene with Liara. Sex sells my dear and its a double standard but many strait guys love to see two woman going at it.


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Okay, so perhaps a double standard here does exist.

In which case, I would sincerely hope that you agree that double standards are BAD and should not exist. In other words, they should either make both Shepards bi or both Shepards straight, not make the male straight and the female bi just to sell to straight guys.

Frankly, it's insulting to straight men more than anything. It's implying that A) you would buy/like a game more just because it has hot lesbians in it, and that you feel uncomfortable with a gay or bisexual male character or with male/male sexuality. That's a pretty awful assumption to make about you guys, and I'd hope you'd be in a hurry to say, "Screw you, we're big boys, we don't mind if Garrus makes a subtle pass at us as long as we get to let him down gently and continue our epic bromance and ride off into the sunset with Tali and Liara!"

But anyway, I'd hope we all agree that it's not right to treat a male Shepard differently than a female Shepard.