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[Vicious]

Seriously what's so great about this character? I really hate her [and I thought I would like her because I liked Tali. Turns out they are not even remotely similar]

Merrill must be partially insane or downright chaotic stupid. She repeats herself about Demons and how they aren't evil so often you'd think she was trying to assure herself. Meanwhile pretty much the entire party thinks she is an idiot. Anders says she has no idea what she's messing with, Aveline downright calls her stupid, Fenris calls her a monster.

She also gets mad at being questioned or having to explain herself. You know, kind of like how children act. She refuses to learn from her mistakes and thinks she always knows better than everyone else. Seriously, there's NO excuse. The warnings, danger, and risks with blood magic are COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Every Mage in Thedas knows they are bad news. 

But nope,  it's not an issue with Merrill. she thinks calling demons to help her is harmless, in fact downright insists on it. Repeatedly. Hell, there is one banter with Anders where Anders says, 'Look, you have to admit that some spirits CLEARLY are bent towards certain evil aspects. And Merrill's reply is basically 'no wai!'

And that is what beings me to insanity.

The definition of insanity is repeating an action and expecting a different outcome.
Merrll keeps practicing blood magic and consorting with demons and expects everything to work out fine.



So someone explain to me what the appeal of this retarded character is? 


And lastly even when I refuse to give her the tool to repair the Eluvian and get a whopping 175 rivalry points for it, her dialogue indicates I gave it her anyway. wtf.

[The Angry One]

Blood magic is risky, but I don't see how that turns you evil or into an abomination by default.
Moreover you're saying she ignores advice from Anders. No really? How could she ignore the advice of an abomination. They're so trustworthy!

Edit: Also, Aveline is a blockhead. Fenris calls every single mage a monster and evil blood mage slaving magister in the making. You can't blame her for dismissing the criticisms of people with about as much credibility as a vegan meat inspector.

Modifié par The Angry One, 22 mars 2011 - 04:28 .

[Morning808]

Ok I can't read any of this since it just sounds like hate speech.

[Vicious]

Moreover you're saying she ignores advice from Anders. No really? How could she ignore the advice of an abomination

She ignores advice from EVERYONE, until her foolishness leads to a catastrophic end with her Keeper and [possibly] her Clan.

And if you keep the tool from her, she just goes "OMG you're nothing but a shemlen like all the rest!" even though 10 seconds previously, the Keeper begged you NOT to give her the tool, and she is most assuredly not a shemlen.

So far her only redeeming trait is that she is very cute.

But past the surface, there's nothing good I see.

Modifié par Vicious, 22 mars 2011 - 04:27 .

[Curlain]

Yeah I will say anyone taking advice from Vengeance-Anders alone in this game needs their heads examined, so Merrill was doing the right thing there

[Taleroth]

Vicious wrote...
the Keeper begged you NOT to give her the tool, and she is most assuredly not a shemlen.

But she is an abomination.  Funny that you keep saying she should take advice from abominations.

[The Angry One]

Vicious wrote...

Moreover you're saying she ignores advice from Anders. No really? How could she ignore the advice of an abomination

She ignores advice from EVERYONE, until her foolishness leads to a catastrophic end with her Keeper and [possibly] her Clan.

Made an edit above about the other advisors she ignores.
In any case she thinks it's worth the risk to recover ancient technology that would help her people.
Maybe if the Keeper hadn't been so rigid in her beliefs it wouldn't have ended so horribly.

[The Angry One]

stupid double posts

Modifié par The Angry One, 22 mars 2011 - 04:31 .

[Icy Magebane]

Morning808 wrote...

Ok I can't read any of this since it just sounds like hate speech.

What?  The OP is right on the money.  One of the most annoying parts about Merrill is her insistance that Demons be called "Spirits," when there is a clear distinction between the two.  Even if they are technically the same type of being, one version is a hell of a lot more dangerous than the other, and very interested in possessing mages to create abominations.  I'm going to go ahead and mention that whatever Justice used to be, its time in Thedas changed it... at this point, it's closer to "demon" than "spirit" because of its contact with mortals, etc...

So anwyay... I just wanted to say that I agree with the OP, and that people who disagree shouldn't exaggerate.  Hate speech indeed... not even close.

[Taleroth]

The thing about Merril is that in the entirety of the game, when it comes to Mages that don't turn into Abominations... it's her and Alain.

Maybe they know something you don't.

[The Angry One]

Is Merril so wrong about spirits?
You can make all the excuses for Justice that you want, he's still as much of a selfish, unilateral and single-minded entity as any "demon". He takes full control of Anders when Anders lets his guard down.
About the only real difference is that Anders doesn't turn into a giant humanoid meatball in a robe.

[NICKjnp]

She is Tali 2.0

[Giltspur]

She's so smart she thinks common sense doesn't apply to her. I know many people like her. I'm like her sometimes.

[BanksHector]

I hate Merrill. She has to be my least favorite of any dragon age Companion so far. Playing as her friend or rival I still have not found a reason to like here or not what to kill her.

Modifié par BanksHector, 22 mars 2011 - 04:40 .

[rma2110]

I don't know why but little Merrill is growing on me. She's not stupid or insane just very sheltered and naive. She just can not believe that there is evil in the world. She also knows that consorting with demons is VERY dangerous. She even asks Hawke to kill her if she becomes an abomination.

In short Merrill was willing to risk her own life for a chance at knowledge that would benefit her clan. If she became an abomination and Hawke killed her than so be it. Merril never expected the keeper to take in the risk instead. Only the keeper died in my playthough, not the whole clan.

[Icy Magebane]

The Angry One wrote...

Is Merril so wrong about spirits?
You can make all the excuses for Justice that you want, he's still as much of a selfish, unilateral and single-minded entity as any "demon". He takes full control of Anders when Anders lets his guard down.
About the only real difference is that Anders doesn't turn into a giant humanoid meatball in a robe.

I was really just saying that Justice is an example of a spirit whose contact with mortals and their desires changed it from something benign to something sinister.  I wasn't trying to defend anything it did.  If anything, this just proves that both "spirits" and "demons" are equally dangerous.

and @Taleroth:  If Merrill is so smart, how did she get tricked by a demon and end up responsible for the Keeper's death, hmm?  I'm going by the DA lore, not whatever crazy notions one character dreamt up... everything we've ever been told suggests a fundamental difference in spirits and demons.

Edit:  She even got tricked by a demon inside the Fade!  lol... yeah, she was way too arrogant, and this is why I don't have a lot of respect for her.  Any mage with her training should know better than to trust a pride demon.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 22 mars 2011 - 04:42 .

[Curlain]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Morning808 wrote...

Ok I can't read any of this since it just sounds like hate speech.

What?  The OP is right on the money.  One of the most annoying parts about Merrill is her insistance that Demons be called "Spirits," when there is a clear distinction between the two.  Even if they are technically the same type of being, one version is a hell of a lot more dangerous than the other, and very interested in possessing mages to create abominations.  I'm going to go ahead and mention that whatever Justice used to be, its time in Thedas changed it... at this point, it's closer to "demon" than "spirit" because of its contact with mortals, etc...

So anwyay... I just wanted to say that I agree with the OP, and that people who disagree shouldn't exaggerate.  Hate speech indeed... not even close.

Not necessarily, it's just that others spirits like Justice are less interested in the mortal world and don't interact with it as much as demons (imbodying virtues rather then feeding off passions).  However, being an imbodyment of a virtue, and only one vitrue gives that spirit as skewed a perspective as demons, and are just as single-minded and unrelenting.  So if you performing an action seen as unjust by a Justice spirit (even if it's stealing to feed yourself, family etc, or maybe even just lying for whatever reason) an unflexable Justice spirit might seek to kill or punish you for it (Justice only became more flexible because he found himself bound to a mortal and was lost in a mortal world, changing his perpectives (if ultimately dooming him to becoming Vengeance)

Modifié par Curlain, 22 mars 2011 - 04:44 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

You folks aren't paying attention.


Merrill: Are you alright?
Anders: I nearly killed an innocent girl. How could I be alright?
Merrill: I'm sorry.
Anders: You're sorry? For me? This could be you! You could be the next monster threatening helpless girls!
Merrill: Anders... There's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was.
Merrill: All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.

She knows exactly what she's doing. At first, she pretends it's okay because she doesn't want to scare you off--but she knows what demons can do, and she expects she'll be possessed. She tells Hawke to kill her when that happens. She thinks the goal (the eluvian) is worth the risk (possession). But she's not an idiot. Far from it, she knows exactly what'll happen and she's been preparing for it for 7 years.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

"[She] is wild, unpredictable, and almost maniac psychotic!.."

Her voice. Wanted to get laid with her voice.

Well, Merrill is a nice wild girl. Some men like girls like that. But her character did't get enough time and effort, or she would be a wonderful experience to play (but that can be said about *every* character in a game). Even Aerie from BG2 was at least somewhat more than "cute girl", sometimes she get angry, sometimes overreacted and cried. But Merrill.. well.. a perfect "aahh I am late I am late sandwich in mouth!!.." kawai right there for you, just help those mages, that's it.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 22 mars 2011 - 04:44 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

I "planned" on romancing Merrill because Isabela looked so veloptious, but ended up disliking her because of her goaty voice and almost idiot carelessness with blood magic. In the end, though, she sort of grew on me and I rivalmanced her anyway.

[fanman72]

she also has the confidence of a 10 year old. Complete turn off

[LobselVith8]

Vicious wrote...

Seriously what's so great about this character? I really hate her [and I thought I would like her because I liked Tali. Turns out they are not even remotely similar]

Merrill must be partially insane or downright chaotic stupid. She repeats herself about Demons and how they aren't evil so often you'd think she was trying to assure herself. Meanwhile pretty much the entire party thinks she is an idiot. Anders says she has no idea what she's messing with, Aveline downright calls her stupid, Fenris calls her a monster.

She addresses that all spirits are dangerous. I don't think your assessment of Merrill is correct. Merrill doesn't demonstrate stupidity in her desire to restore the Eluvian or how she addresses that all spirits are dangerous. She's completely inexperienced in dealing with a human culture and a city because of her upbringing among the Dalish, but that doesn't mean she's stupid. How is it insane or chaotic that Merrill would put her life at risk for the chance to give something back to her people, even if the chances were slim that it would work out and the only person's life on the line was Merrill's? Merrill wasn't stupid in trying to restore the Eluvian, because the entire premise behind the Dalish is the restoration of their lore and their history.

Vicious wrote...

She also gets mad at being questioned or having to explain herself. You know, kind of like how children act. She refuses to learn from her mistakes and thinks she always knows better than everyone else. Seriously, there's NO excuse. The warnings, danger, and risks with blood magic are COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Every Mage in Thedas knows they are bad news. 

That must explain the Grey Warden mages who use blood magic to fight the darkspawn.

[ongnei]

Why nobody hate Fenris? Hes dam annoying, insisting every mage is evil...

[Vicious]

Too bad it's common knowledge some spirits are just 'there' and others actually seek to corrupt and eat mages for the purpose of creating abominations. This is common knowledge, but she doesn't act like it isn't, she just refuses to believe it, despite proof being shoved in her face again, and again, and again.

I am currently leaning to her being insane. It's hard to believe anyone could be that stupid.

With Merrill, I always get the idea that she's not exactly dumb, she just doesn't pay attention to what's going on around her. Like she's so caught up in her own little world that everything else just flies by.

She doesn't just do it with the world around her, but the people she interacts with. There's just something in her voice that makes it feel or sound like she's disinterested in the others.

That said, good posts. I am starting to wonder if my initial assessment of her was correct. As a rival she certainly seems rotten to the core.

[Mykel54]

I think people who call merril naive is because they only look at the surface, actually she is more responsible than other companions (hint anders). Until you do the quest you don´t know that she was wrong, she could have been right and learned something useful out of the demon, it would not be the first time a mage benefits from a trade with a demon. Merril knew it was risky and was willing to pay the price if need be, but the keeper stepped in to save her. The "small girl" faccade is similar to how alistair deflected questions with humour in origins, it doesn´t mean she is not responsible or has no idea of the risk of what she is doing. As the player you know that the gamble didn´t work, but it could have worked, so don´t dismiss her actions as stupid so quickly.