Foolsfolly wrote...
So you would consider yourself responsible for the hypothetical traffic accident, as well. Ok.
If it's an accident no one's at fault. There's no accident when you make a Faustian deal with the devil. There's always a price to pay.
You knew that people die in traffic. You just didn't care, and now all those people are dead.
Just because you had to cross that road.
AntiChri5 wrote...
Foolsfolly wrote...
So you would consider yourself responsible for the hypothetical traffic accident, as well. Ok.
If it's an accident no one's at fault. There's no accident when you make a Faustian deal with the devil. There's always a price to pay.
And Merril was perfectly prepared to pay that price.
It is the people jumping in and trying to pay it for her who are harming themselves.
And yet when Meredith willingly gives herself to Audacity, its somehow Merrill's fault? A tad inconsistent, don't you think?Foolsfolly wrote...
They're not to blame. Anders is because he joined with Justice willingly.Thats like saying Gregoir and Irving are responsible for the Chantry bombing because they were too easy on Anders.
And yet when Meredith willingly gives herself to Audacity, its somehow Merrill's fault?
Also, if Greagoir had simply taken Anders out and made him Tranquil or cut his head off after six separate escape attempts, then the Chantry would never have been bombed! Bad, bad Greagoir! You're totally responsible for not being able to see years into the future!
Foolsfolly wrote...
AntiChri5 wrote...
Foolsfolly wrote...
So you would consider yourself responsible for the hypothetical traffic accident, as well. Ok.
If it's an accident no one's at fault. There's no accident when you make a Faustian deal with the devil. There's always a price to pay.
And Merril was perfectly prepared to pay that price.
It is the people jumping in and trying to pay it for her who are harming themselves.
But wouldn't have if not for Merrill's actions.
Kid starts a fire in the house because despite being told to not play with matches the kid just enjoyes playing with matches too much. The fire grows out of control.
The kid's mother is outside and sees the now raging fire and without thought for herself jumps into the fire and carries her unconscious child out of the fire. The mother collapses and dies from smoke inhalation.
The child is at fault for starting the fire and is responsible for its mother's death.
AntiChri5 wrote...
Merril is not starting fires for the lulz.
A fire growing out of control is an easily foreseeable consequence of playing with matches.
Marethari whoring herself out to a demon is not a foreseeable consequence of talking with a demon.
That analogy implies that Merrill's blood magic was already out of control. That was not the case. The equivalent is a child using matches in a controlled experiment and the mother snatching them away and settting herself on fire to prevent the child from doing so on accident.
AntiChri5 wrote...
That is because you aren't thinking properly.
Of course he did. Greagoir should have used his powers to be able to see six years in the future and know that the end result of his not killing Anders for his flagrant apostate-ness would be Anders going abomination and killing people. After all, going abomination and killing people is an entirely foreseeable result of letting an apostate run around too long! Ask any templar in Kirkwall! You should expect it!That really has nothing in common with Merrill's actions directly causing the actions of her storyline. Anders did not do anything in this game because of Greagoir.
Modifié par cglasgow, 23 mars 2011 - 04:12 .
Exactly.Foolsfolly wrote...
This is like blaming Anders' dad because he didn't wear a rubber.
Modifié par Gorthaur X, 23 mars 2011 - 04:12 .
Foolsfolly wrote...
That analogy implies that Merrill's blood magic was already out of control. That was not the case. The equivalent is a child using matches in a controlled experiment and the mother snatching them away and settting herself on fire to prevent the child from doing so on accident.
The Keeper and possibly Hawke took the matches away before. Merrill continues to play with fire.
Foolsfolly wrote...
AntiChri5 wrote...
That is because you aren't thinking properly.
/facepalm.
Merrill's a blood mage and dealer with demons. She isn't some innocent cute character. She's a cute character who's obession leads to the deaths of her clan members.
It's all pretty cause and effect.
Emperor Iaius I wrote...
I mean, good grief, her best attempts at stopping Merrill are: Act I: "Are you sure?" Act II: "Let me give this tool to your buddy." Act III: "I'll become an abomination and not tell anybody!"
Dr. Nexas wrote...
Foolsfolly wrote...
That analogy implies that Merrill's blood magic was already out of control. That was not the case. The equivalent is a child using matches in a controlled experiment and the mother snatching them away and settting herself on fire to prevent the child from doing so on accident.
The Keeper and possibly Hawke took the matches away before. Merrill continues to play with fire.
Merrill wasn't playing with fire. She was using a bunsen burner, while wearing saftety, and having fire extinguisher on hand.
I'm assuming that Feynriel's Pride would be one of those two times, but what's the second? Certainly not Audacity, since if accepting any aid from a spirit under any circumstances counts as "giving in" to them, then virtually every Mage Warden has been irredeemably corrupt since their origin story.Foolsfolly wrote...
Bring Hawke to kill her if she went Abomination? That's not really preparing for anything. And she's given in to demons twice already.
I'm assuming that Feynriel's Pride would be one of those two times, but what's the second? Certainly not Audacity, since if accepting any aid from a spirit under any circumstances counts as "giving in" to them, then virtually every Mage Warden has been irredeemably corrupt since their origin story.
Which is obviously not the case.
Foolsfolly wrote...
Original deal with Audacity to learn blood magic. And the Fade Pride Demon, yes.
And the Mage Origin doesn't have the Warden giving in to that Pride demon. You prove it's a demon, it laughs and says something along the lines that he'll be waiting....there's always going to be temptation.
Foolsfolly wrote...
What?
Bring Hawke to kill her if she went Abomination? That's not really preparing for anything. And she's given in to demons twice already. It's not like she's taken any one's advice into consideration. The clan is ignorant, and the Keeper has no idea what's she talking about. And if Hawke keeps the tool then Hawke has no right to be involved even though Merrill drug Hawke into it because she 'couldn't talk to the Keeper alone.'
Really?Foolsfolly wrote...
Drop the metaphor. What did she do to prepare herself against the demon?
What?
Bring Hawke to kill her if she went Abomination? That's not really preparing for anything.
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