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[Taleroth]

Vicious wrote...

Too bad it's common knowledge some spirits are just 'there' and others actually seek to corrupt and eat mages for the purpose of creating abominations. This is common knowledge, but she doesn't act like it isn't, she just refuses to believe it, despite proof being shoved in her face again, and again, and again.

She displays the knowledge that they're all dangerous.  Are you actually trying to argue she's stupid because she doesn't trust the rest of them?

Modifié par Taleroth, 22 mars 2011 - 04:53 .

[Vicious]

She's completely inexperienced in dealing with a human culture and a city because of her upbringing among the Dalish,

I really don't get how people try to use her lack of understanding with human culture as an excuse. Varric constantly tries to explain certain concepts to her which go flying over her empty little head because she simply can't grasp her mind around it. The fact that the Keeper even let her go unsupervised just shows how irresponsible that whole clan is.

[Kenshen]

BanksHector wrote...

I hate Merrill. She has to be my least favorite of any dragon age Companion so far. Playing as her friend or rival I still have not found a reason to like here or not what to kill her.

I feel the exact same way.  For how bad I treat her there is no way she would remain at my side.  Now I just leave her in her house I don't need the xp that badly.

[Emperor Iaius I]

The Keeper doesn't save her. She claims that she's done so, but why would you trust an abomination? This is the same abomination that says "you killed it! let's run away together!" and then stabs Merrill. There is no reason to trust the abomination. Heck, for all we know, the Keeper got curious just like Merrill did (who was the one who decided to stay there, and who was the one that brought the eluvian from Ferelden? Merrill couldn't have just snuck it in without the Keeper knowing) and the demon deceived her.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

As a rival she certainly seems rotten to the core.

Maybe somewhere deep, deep inside, she is actually a sort of manipulative b****. And remember the demon she actually dubbed in to?
Twas pride. So Merrill's personal "sin" (some say every person has one dominant sin) is pride.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 22 mars 2011 - 04:58 .

[Vicious]

She displays the knowledge that they're all dangerous. Are you actually trying to argue she's stupid because she doesn't trust the rest of them?

She seems more insane than stupid. Nothing good came from the Mirror. Nothing good came from her consorting with Demons [hell she Betrays Hawke to Pride given the opportunity] and yet she repeats it over and over expecting a different result.


Not stupid, necessarily, but more insane.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Everybody except Anders will betray Hawke to a demon. Demons have real power though--they can do things. Remember, too, that Hawke has the opportunity to make the same deal with a demon--with the sloth demon.

As far as nothing good coming from the eluvian--yes, I can just imagine some medieval priest telling a scientist that nothing could would come of his experiments.

[The Angry One]

Newsflash: Every single companion betrays you to a demon in the Fade except for Anders, and that's only because Justice loathes demons.

Edit: Damn you Emperor!

About the Eluvian. Something good came of it once, it was once a great piece of magical technology from the ancient elven empire. Merril wanted that back, her reasoning is understandable in that regard.

Modifié par The Angry One, 22 mars 2011 - 05:02 .

[LobselVith8]

Vicious wrote...

She ignores advice from EVERYONE, until her foolishness leads to a catastrophic end with her Keeper and [possibly] her Clan.

The Keeper made the decision to take in the demon, not Merrill. We have no idea what would have happened because the Keeper intervened. You can't blame Merrill for the actions of another person.

Icy Magebane wrote...

What?  The OP is right on the money.  One of the most annoying parts about Merrill is her insistance that Demons be called "Spirits," when there is a clear distinction between the two. 

Because it has to do with the Andrastian religion, and demons being embodiments of different sins, as Anders points out. As Anders says, "Spirits were the first children of the Maker, but he turned his back on them, to dote on his mortal creations. The ones he resented have become demons... driven to take everything mortals have and gain back the Maker's favor." Why would she follow the Andrastian view of spirits and demons? Like Merrill says, "Your Maker is the story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories, we don't need to borrow yours."

Icy Magebane wrote...

Even if they are technically the same type of being, one version is a hell of a lot more dangerous than the other, and very interested in possessing mages to create abominations.  I'm going to go ahead and mention that whatever Justice used to be, its time in Thedas changed it... at this point, it's closer to "demon" than "spirit" because of its contact with mortals, etc... .

Which is why Merrill acknowledges that all spirits are dangerous. 

[Crossroads_Wanderer]

I find Merrill boring. I have done the mandatory conversations with her, but I otherwise never use her because every other companion (except maybe Carver) is more interesting.

[Vicious]

s far as nothing good coming from the eluvian--yes, I can just imagine some medieval priest telling a scientist that nothing could would come of his experiments.

That's a pathetic statement twist befitting a troll, It has absolutely no correlation to my statement. The Eluvian worked over 1000 years ago, lately it has produced nothing good at all. Medieval priest? Scientist? How the hell did you drag THAT into the discussion?

Modifié par Vicious, 22 mars 2011 - 05:05 .

[Maria Caliban]

Icy Magebane wrote...

One of the most annoying parts about Merrill is her insistance that Demons be called "Spirits," when there is a clear distinction between the two.

Demons are spirits. All spirits are dangerous. Yes, you can deal with them, and it's possible you'll come out ahead, but there's always a price.

What Merrill says about spirits is consistently correct.

The idea that there are 'good spirits' and 'bad demons' is what got Anders into trouble.

[Emperor Iaius I]

Vicious wrote...

s far as nothing good coming from the eluvian--yes, I can just imagine some medieval priest telling a scientist that nothing could would come of his experiments.

That's a pathetic statement twist befitting a troll, It has absolutely no correlation to my statement. The Eluvian worked over 1000 years ago, lately it has produced nothing good at all. Medieval priest? Scientist? How the hell did you drag THAT into the discussion?

You would prefer something apropos? Alright: a medieval priest telling a scholar that nothing good would come of those evil pagan texts he fought out there written as they were, after all, by demon-worshippers. Then, of course, we find the Renaissance. Whoops!

Are you seriously suggesting that it is better to wallow in ignorance than take a risk through (re)discovery? Or is every worthwhile endeavor to have a strictly short-term utilitarian calculus--what good will it do me NOW? If there's no short term benefit, then forget it? 

[Lithuasil]

She's one of the most loyal, most supportive companions, one of the few that work entirely on ulterior motives, and pretty much the only one, who's mess isn't a direct result of her ****ing up in one way or the other.

[The Angry One]

Vicious wrote...

s far as nothing good coming from the eluvian--yes, I can just imagine some medieval priest telling a scientist that nothing could would come of his experiments.

That's a pathetic statement twist befitting a troll, It has absolutely no correlation to my statement. The Eluvian worked over 1000 years ago, lately it has produced nothing good at all. Medieval priest? Scientist? How the hell did you drag THAT into the discussion?

So what should be done? Destroy it out of fear?
Why is it completely impossible that it could be restored to it's original function?

[Curlain]

Vicious wrote...

She displays the knowledge that they're all dangerous. Are you actually trying to argue she's stupid because she doesn't trust the rest of them?

She seems more insane than stupid. Nothing good came from the Mirror. Nothing good came from her consorting with Demons [hell she Betrays Hawke to Pride given the opportunity] and yet she repeats it over and over expecting a different result.


Not stupid, necessarily, but more insane.

Morrigan disapproves -20 

[Dangerfoot]

fanman72 wrote...

she also has the confidence of a 10 year old. Complete turn off

Do 10 year olds have a lot of confidence?

[Hrodric]

Can someone explain the appeal of the partially insane/chaotic stupid <<KITTY>>? My cat must be partially insane or downright chaotic stupid.

I mean, it just poops, pees, and scratches you every so often. And my family tells the KITTY, "you are a stupid cat." So, could anyone here fathom the appeal? It's hard for me.

[Icy Magebane]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

One of the most annoying parts about Merrill is her insistance that Demons be called "Spirits," when there is a clear distinction between the two.

Demons are spirits. All spirits are dangerous. Yes, you can deal with them, and it's possible you'll come out ahead, but there's always a price.

What Merrill says about spirits is consistently correct.

The idea that there are 'good spirits' and 'bad demons' is what got Anders into trouble.

Well, I've already explained the behavioral distinction between the two.  Demonic entities are by far more dangerous than spirits, as they attempt to actively possess mortals, leave the Fade, and exert influence on the mortal realm.  Merrill's classification of "demons" as "spirits" marginalizes the dangers these creatures pose to the world, and is most likely a means of justifying her dealings with them.

I don't recall Wynne paying any price for dealing with the Spirit of Faith, and I don't remember the spirit that mage Wardens first encounter in the Fade having any ulterior motive.  If you remove the distinction between "demon" and "spirit," you are ignoring vast differences between the two types of being.  That's like saying calling lions "cats."  Obvious differences make one far less risky to play with than the other.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 22 mars 2011 - 05:15 .

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Demonic entities are by far more dangerous than spirits

Demons never installed a magic/nuclear device under Chantry building, though.

[Reidbynature]

lol. I vote for 'Chaotic Stupid' to be submitted to D&D as a new alignment.

[LobselVith8]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Well, I've already explained the behavioral distinction between the two.  Demonic entities are by far more dangerous than spirits, as they attempt to actively possess mortals, leave the Fade, and exert influence on the mortal realm.  Merrill's classification of "demons" as "spirits" marginalizes the dangers these creatures pose to the world, and is most likely a means of justifying her dealings with them.

It's addressed by Anders that the distinction between spirits and demons is made for religious reasons. Again, why should Merrill follow Andrastian teachings when it comes to the inhabitants of the Fade?

Icy Magebane wrote...

I don't recall Wynne paying any price for dealing with the Spirit of Faith, and I don't remember the spirit that mage Wardens first encounter in the Fade having any ulterior motive.  If you remove the distinction between "demon" and "spirit," you are ignoring vast differences between the two types of being.  That's like saying calling lions "cats."  Obvious differences make one far less risky to play with than the other.

We don't know Wynne's ultimate fate.  And the Spirit of Valor had no issue fighting the mage protagonist to the death in the name of valor. I see no reason to ignore Merrill's Dalish views that all spirits are dangerous.

[heman14]

NICKjnp wrote...

She is Tali 2.0

No she isn't.  Tali may be awkward and a bit geeky, but is not completely oblivious to the obvious and is much stronger emotionally. 

The sweetness in Merill's innocense (which is what I think BW was going for) is completely overshadowed by her overzealous 'I'm doing it my way save the Dalish at all costs" attitude.

[Vicious]

Rivalmance with Merrill is pretty decent, however.