Kartikeya wrote...
Kawamura wrote...
FoxholeHunter wrote...
After finishing the game twice I think siding with the templars makes more sense for the story.
Siding with the mages and then have Orsino turn on you doesnt make as much sense as to why he would do it compared to if the Champion was against him all along and so backed into the corner explanation and also finding out he was in on your mothers death made me want to kick his ass then!!
When you suddenly had to fight him after joining his side was just plain stupid and made little sense, why the hell do I have to fight him!! He should have helped me against Meridith and could have died in the battle (like she helps you against him in the Templar end)!!! Would have been a better end to the Mage story.
From now on every playthrough will be siding with the Templars I can assure you!!
I thought it made sense. I mean, outside of gameplay reasons.
He's spent his whole life being treated awful for how he's been born: he's an elf and he's a mage. He's been trying to fix things but he's spent forever being told that he's going to turn to blood magic eventually. And that weighs on you. Not the, er, specifics of blood magic. But the day in, day out expectation that you will eventually prove yourself to be trash and awful.
He was in an emotional moment. He was seeing his mages, his only thing like family, being destroyed and I just think he snapped. Now, why he attacks you? Probably because he's not very much in his own mind at that moment.
It's not a good decision, but very few we make are when we're under distress.
This. At the moment he does that, he has completely despaired. He has just seen all the mages that stayed behind and didn't run, the people he has grown up with and are the closest thing to family he has ever known, effortlessly and mercilessly slaughtered. Remember how he reacts when the Qunari have killed all the mages he brought with him? Sure, Hawke's party holds the line, but Orsino knows exactly how many templars are coming. He has no reason to believe there is any hope whatsoever, and at that moment it seems, to him, that not only is all hope of surviving lost, but no one will ever know or ever care what happened to him, the people he cared about, or the Champion who has apparently chosen to sacrifice herself to try and protect him. He is convinced everyone is going to die and it will all be for nothing, which is why he lashes out in one last moment of emotional anger with 'if she wants blood magic, I'll SHOW her blood magic'.
I'm not entirely sure the harvester-ish monster was exactly what he was intending. There's a moment where it looks exactly like he's just animating the dead, and then his eyes go crazy and the harvester happens. Whether he meant that or not though doesn't really matter. He's not thinking clearly and he's in the very depths of utter despair.
Even if he was a willing participant in the murder of Hawke's mother (and he wasn't), that doesn't mean every mage in the Free Marches should get killed because of it. I find myself recoiling at the notion that you can push someone to the very edge and then point at what they do in their desperation as proof that you were right to push them all along. Give the nicest, most even tempered dog a good few kicks and eventually you're going to get bitten. Is that proof the dog was secretly vicious all along?
Yes. I have a problem with defining someone using their worst moment.
Orsino is 40-60 years old. He's lived roughly half a century trying to make things better. He lives in a slave pen, under lock and key and threat of tranquility. That the mages do not immediately turn to bad magics as soon as they figure out they can set someone's hair on fire is amazing.
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