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[Morroian]

hakwea wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...
The origins weaken the story considerably, actually.  Its quite ridiculous that a murderous elf from the alienage has the same social access in the Landsmeet as the Cousland heir.  Its pasted over by Alistair being so spineless that you have to act in his stead, but its still a joke.

I'm not saying that multiple races and origins is never worth it, but it most certainly does come at a cost.

But they don't have to. It is easy to incorporate them into the larger story, because they are both being done for the same story. Origin stories don't inherently weaken the story in a game. They do in DA:Origins because bioware failed at creating the story of the game.

The cost is pretty neglible though. Even to incorporate them into the story. 

Not with a new VA for each choice, and the writing cost is not negligible, each origin story by themselves took a significant amount of writing resources not to mention the variants required in the game proper. Sure they could increase their writing budget but will they and would they sacrifice other areas to do so? As it stands you gain greater breadth but lose depth in the writing.

[TJSolo]

Morroian wrote...

hakwea wrote...

Vormaerin wrote...
The origins weaken the story considerably, actually.  Its quite ridiculous that a murderous elf from the alienage has the same social access in the Landsmeet as the Cousland heir.  Its pasted over by Alistair being so spineless that you have to act in his stead, but its still a joke.

I'm not saying that multiple races and origins is never worth it, but it most certainly does come at a cost.

But they don't have to. It is easy to incorporate them into the larger story, because they are both being done for the same story. Origin stories don't inherently weaken the story in a game. They do in DA:Origins because bioware failed at creating the story of the game.

The cost is pretty neglible though. Even to incorporate them into the story. 

Not with a new VA for each choice, and the writing cost is not negligible, each origin story by themselves took a significant amount of writing resources not to mention the variants required in the game proper. Sure they could increase their writing budget but will they and would they sacrifice other areas to do so? As it stands you gain greater breadth but lose depth in the writing.

All time was accounted for and planned around. The cost it took to incorporate Origins into DAO was not a surprise or hinderance to BW. Spouting off 'it costs money to do stuff!!' is more common sense than a reason not to try.

[ZombiePowered]

Origins were fun in Origins. Let's keep them there, you know, where Bioware intended them to be. If different races are an option for the story in the future, then so be it. But seeing as Thedas places great stock on your race, changing that would make for very different experiences if you aren't a Grey Warden. I trust Bioware to make the appropriate decision for the story they want to tell. Origin stories worked in Origins because, ultimately, you weren't an elf or dwarf or human, you were a Grey Warden. That's all that truly mattered about you.

[TJSolo]

ZombiePowered wrote...

Origins were fun in Origins. Let's keep them there, you know, where Bioware intended them to be. If different races are an option for the story in the future, then so be it. But seeing as Thedas places great stock on your race, changing that would make for very different experiences if you aren't a Grey Warden. I trust Bioware to make the appropriate decision for the story they want to tell. Origin stories worked in Origins because, ultimately, you weren't an elf or dwarf or human, you were a Grey Warden. That's all that truly mattered about you.

and the only race somewhat limited in how far they can rise would be elves. Every feat and accomplishment Hawke did could have been replicated by a dwarf.
Matter of fact it does not seem to be much of a big deal for an elf to live in a mansion given sufficient power.

The big deal in Kirkwall was not that Hawke is human, it that he is Feraldan.

[hakwea]

TJSolo wrote...
and the only race somewhat limited in how far they can rise would be elves. Every feat and accomplishment Hawke did could have been replicated by a dwarf.
Matter of fact it does not seem to be much of a big deal for an elf to live in a mansion given sufficient power.

The big deal in Kirkwall was not that Hawke is human, it that he is Feraldan.

Not to mention the fact that you can romance an elf, and no one in kirkwall treats hawke any different for doing so. Guess the free marches don't care about race to much, only about if you were born in the Free marches or not. Also varric is essentially the dwarven version of hawke.

Modifié par hakwea, 24 mars 2011 - 02:45 .

[hakwea]

Morroian wrote...
Not with a new VA for each choice, and the writing cost is not negligible, each origin story by themselves took a significant amount of writing resources not to mention the variants required in the game proper. Sure they could increase their writing budget but will they and would they sacrifice other areas to do so? As it stands you gain greater breadth but lose depth in the writing.

Bioware is supposed to have streamlined and perfected the whole voice acting thing. Yes it costs but not that much to do a few extra lines. Also writing doesn't take that many resources, I could easily come up with a few scenarios off the top of my head that would have fit right into the main story and emphasized the characters origin choices. Why must they sacrifice to do it though? 

Shouldn't they have accounted for incorporating the origins into the main story in the original plan and budget? Or are you trying to suggest that bioware fails so much at story writing that they decided to just forget about it. You don't have to lose any depth in the writing to have previous t hings incorporated. Why would the story have to loose major sections just to have the landsmeet reference race more? Or for the dwarven struggle to deal with you being a dwarven noble? It didn't have to lose anything to have that added in.

Stop defending a failing of bioware as if they had no other choice and the game would have sucked if they actually made the story great. Not including them ruins the depth of the story because it  is showing that part of the story matters zero.

[Galad22]

I'd like origins back. I don't want to play as a human for one. However they should have bigger meaning than they did in DA:O, few unique quest for every origin would be grand.

I really don't wish to see Hawke again. Not as a main character anyway.

Modifié par Galad22, 24 mars 2011 - 02:54 .

[cindercatz]

Trohlsruhk wrote...

 Dragon Age without the "Origins" is just another RPG imo. I'm not sure why there were not two, three, or even four different Hawke Family Origins in Dragon Age 2, even if they would all be Human Origins it would have given that game the True Signature of the Franchise. Can you Imagine starting out, Not at the outskirts of Lothering running from Dark spawn but at Ostagar being betrayed by Logian ( I really enjoyed killing that fool) or perhaps your Mage character doesnt have to be an apostate, but instead a Circle mage who's journey starts after the debacle at Ostagar and instead of rejoining the circle you go back "home" to rescue your family. After all, the Circle would just assume you died along with everyone else no? or Maybe your an apostate living in the wilds only coming home AFTER you hear of what had happened at Ostagar. Point being I think not having Origins in the game took away from the mian thing that seperated the franchise from most RPGs. Please bring it back for DA 3

Totally agreed, and I fully endorse. Certain voices could also accommodate multiple race choices, etc. The origins are absolutely essential to replayability.

[Talladarr]

Ohhh the possibilities....
I want more race selections, ei, I want Humans(for the few people that actually LIKE being human when given another option), Elves, Dwarves(Surface dwarf of course, not really a Dwarf person myself, just on principal, you know?), Qunari, Tevinter(Human/Elf), maybe a little Avvar action, one of the "Free" Darkspawn under The Architect perhaps? I mean, they opened SO MANY opportunities in Origins/Awakening, why throw that all in the trash NOW? AFTER you've gone through the trouble of making the ideas to begin with? MAYBE EVEN have different time periods based on which origins you're doing! I'd be content to wait 3 years, or even FIVE(but that's about as long as I'd wait) years to have an EXCELLENT game.

[Johnny20]

I'd like to see Origins back, however, simple race selection would be more then enough to make me happy.

[Galad22]

Johnny20 wrote...

I'd like to see Origins back, however, simple race selection would be more then enough to make me happy.

Bioware could have easily done this in DA2 as well, just say that elf Hawke was adopted or something.

Would have been just as plausible as using magic in front of templars without them noticing

[Talladarr]

Galad22 wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

I'd like to see Origins back, however, simple race selection would be more then enough to make me happy.

Bioware could have easily done this in DA2 as well, just say that elf Hawke was adopted or something.

Would have been just as plausible as using magic in front of templars without them noticing

Where's the damned "Like" button????? Oh, there it is.....
*Clicks like button*

[dragon-boy]

alot of people are taking about the so called down-sides to Dragon Age 2, for example someone said you can romance an elf and have no one question you. however this was more so in origins were at the start if you choose to be an elf you treated like dirt but you become a warden and you like a human no no big inpact on the game although your told it would. people bad talk DA:2 but they need to stop and think before posting stupid forms. if they where to look at the changes made to  DA:2 they'd see that it is 100 times better than origins. the big important part of dragon age 2 is that you are a refugee until you save kirkwall unlike origins where as soon as you become a warden your a god to everyone.
people also say that they might bring hawke back for dragon ag 3 but this is more-in-likely not true as with there still being DLC and expansions they'll finish up hawks story for DA:2 just like the hero in origins.
people just need to stop being stupid saying bioware should go back to origins you don't go back you go forward for the next big thing which they did and which they'll do again. i do think they could bring some small things from origins back like the different class but thats it.

[Insoluble25x]

In my opinion instead of having a different story for each race, they should have a different story for each class.

What really captured my attention more than anything from DA2 was the combat system as well as the attributes, the ability trees, the companions, and the story which was pretty good.

Origins was a bit dull, not completely horrible but not enough to get me hooked. I read somewhere, don't remember where, that a high percentage of people didn't finish the game which basically lead DA2 to this path.

The only thing I didn't like from DA2 was the fact they recycled most of the locations. My guess was they were running out of space for the DVD disc used for 360s. It makes me wonder how DA2 would have turned out if it was exclusive for PS3. Btw, this is my opinion.

Modifié par Insoluble25x, 02 avril 2011 - 03:56 .

[LightningSamus]

Yes i like fantasy RPG's that let you pice race.

I love playing as Dark Elf in Elder Scrolls, i be human in too many games already.

I think they wanted to take the Mass Effect route where you're forced to play as human, it's fine in ME but DA let us choose race until DA II i was kinda disappointed about that when i first heard it.

[Dridengx]

Trohlsruhk wrote...

 Dragon Age without the "Origins" is just another RPG imo

What's wrong with other RPGs? Didn't you play RPGs before Dragon Age? Are we to believe that Dragon Age is the best RPG you ever played? because if this is the case, many will disagree with you. If I'm to assume this is the case, since your statement isn't hard to confuse, than I can't take your opinion seriously at all beyond this comment posted above.

[Dridengx]

Insoluble25x wrote...

In my opinion

Btw, this is my opinion.

So do you normally post facts only or post for other people? Why would you have to tell us what your opinion is, wouldn't telling us alone be enough? Most people smart enough don't believe what people say without links, although i can't speak for the people here so I don't know perhaps you have to say this everytime

Modifié par Dridengx, 02 avril 2011 - 10:52 .

[dbt-kenny]

Get give us back DAO for DAO3 no add on packs for DA2 at all just forget it You sold the game out to the xbox players.

[FedericoV]

Honestly, of all the features, I cannot care less about the origins since they cannot change the way the game unfolds in any way. It's just a waste of resources and I would preferred that they use those time/money to have more unique locations in the rest of the game. I'm all for the fixed uman protagonist and voice over. Maybe they could just make a different prologue for each class but at the end it will allways play out like that: "your life was fine and full of joy but than one day you are forced to leave everything behind becasue of event x".

[Insoluble25x]

Dridengx wrote...

Insoluble25x wrote...

In my opinion

Btw, this is my opinion.

So do you normally post facts only or post for other people? Why would you have to tell us what your opinion is, wouldn't telling us alone be enough? Most people smart enough don't believe what people say without links, although i can't speak for the people here so I don't know perhaps you have to say this everytime

It was for the first and last paragraph, the last one should have been with the last paragraph, sorry about that. Didn't think something like that would bother anyone.

Fixed**

[Serpieri Nei]

 Make Dragon age: Origins II - most of us have already forgotten the Kirkwall Chronicles.

[Dragoonlordz]

Morroian wrote...

Not with a new VA for each choice, and the writing cost is not negligible, each origin story by themselves took a significant amount of writing resources not to mention the variants required in the game proper. Sure they could increase their writing budget but will they and would they sacrifice other areas to do so? As it stands you gain greater breadth but lose depth in the writing.

I mentioned this to you in the past but will say it again however, I am not here to save them money they have to invest as much is as needed in order for me to buy their products by making a game I want to buy.

Not having a go but stating my view about what they do or do not spend on creating their products.

[neppakyo]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

 Make Dragon age: Origins II - most of us have already forgotten the Kirkwall Chronicles.

This ^^

I haven't forgotton, I'm still missing $59.99 plus tax

[Cyberfrog81]

*sigh* Some of you are worse than the ME1 fanatics.

I say just give us a better Dragon Age. DA2 is a solid game, but with some significant flaws. BioWare can do better.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

neppakyo wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...

 Make Dragon age: Origins II - most of us have already forgotten the Kirkwall Chronicles.

This ^^

I haven't forgotton, I'm still missing $59.99 plus tax

Oh money, how I miss thee.