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[PPR223]

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

[Wereparrot]

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

[Akron1983]

Wereparrot wrote...

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

Because the old gods dwell underground surrounded by armies of darkspawn?

[The Angry One]

Wereparrot wrote...

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

Look at it this way.
7 Old Gods, 5 Blights. 1 Old God per Blight.
That means there are 2 Old Gods left and after that the Wardens are out of a job!

[Naitaka]

The Warden have always known where the Old Gods are, it's mentioned in the novel. It is also how the Architect was able to start the 5th blight, albeit by accident. They don't actively seek them out because, a. Deep Road is filled with Darkspawn, it'd be suicide, and b. they might lead the Darkspawn there when it might take another 100 years before a Blight happens again.

Modifié par Naitaka, 23 mars 2011 - 05:39 .

[MKDAWUSS]

The Angry One wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

Look at it this way.
7 Old Gods, 5 Blights. 1 Old God per Blight.
That means there are 2 Old Gods left and after that the Wardens are out of a job!

They shall tell tales and sing songs knowing that time is past.

[Wulfram]

Wereparrot wrote...

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

The Qunari invasion is no real concern of the Wardens at all.

[Giltspur]

simfamSP wrote...

What were they talking about? Is there an other blight? Is there a new Darkspawn threat? My GOD! The Genlocks and Shrieks are gone!

Avernus (from Warden's Keep DLC) used information obtained from the Architect and made a discovery about Grey Warden blood.  The Wardens are delivering word of that to Weisshaupt.

Now I don't know if that varies depending on imported saves, but that's what the Warden letter I found said.  I suppose it's possible that the Wardens are doing something different than that in Act II.  But I figure they're supposed to be the messengers on their way to Weisshaupt.

[Wereparrot]

Wulfram wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

The Qunari invasion is no real concern of the Wardens at all.

Of course it is. This particular Warden was caught up in it, like it or not. He should have fought.

[Akron1983]

Giltspur wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

What were they talking about? Is there an other blight? Is there a new Darkspawn threat? My GOD! The Genlocks and Shrieks are gone!

Avernus (from Warden's Keep DLC) used information obtained from the Architect and made a discovery about Grey Warden blood.  The Wardens are delivering word of that to Weisshaupt.

Now I don't know if that varies depending on imported saves, but that's what the Warden letter I found said.  I suppose it's possible that the Wardens are doing something different than that in Act II.  But I figure they're supposed to be the messengers on their way to Weisshaupt.

If they use grey Warden blood to engineer some kind of virus that only affect darkspawn I will slit my wrists

[Giltspur]

Here's the letter:

http://dragonage.wik..._Warden_Letters

Modifié par Giltspur, 23 mars 2011 - 05:44 .

[Naitaka]

Wereparrot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

The Qunari invasion is no real concern of the Wardens at all.

Of course it is. This particular Warden was caught up in it, like it or not. He should have fought.

He did fight, he defended himself. It was the correct decision to not get involved further by either calling for reinforcement or storm the keep with Hawke.

[Wereparrot]

Naitaka wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

The Qunari invasion is no real concern of the Wardens at all.

Of course it is. This particular Warden was caught up in it, like it or not. He should have fought.

He did fight, he defended himself. It was the correct decision to not get involved further by either calling for reinforcement or storm the keep with Hawke.

Regardless. He fought selfishly, only doing enough to defend himself. Why should he not have seen it through? I consider him a deserter. This is the very reason why I dislike the concept of Grey Wardens.

[Naitaka]

Wereparrot wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

The Qunari invasion is no real concern of the Wardens at all.

Of course it is. This particular Warden was caught up in it, like it or not. He should have fought.

He did fight, he defended himself. It was the correct decision to not get involved further by either calling for reinforcement or storm the keep with Hawke.

Regardless. He fought selfishly, only doing enough to defend himself. Why should he not have seen it through? I consider him a deserter. This is the very reason why I dislike the concept of Grey Wardens.

Huh? What? Who is he deserting? He's not a citizen of Kirkwall to begin with, why should he have "seen it through" when it was none of his business? If you have an issue with the whole Grey Warden neutrality, I can understand that, but know that it is necessary. What sane ruler would let an entire army of trained warriors with possible blood mages run amok in their country if they weren't politically neutral?

[PPR223]

Wereparrot wrote...

Regardless. He fought selfishly, only doing enough to defend himself. Why should he not have seen it through? I consider him a deserter. This is the very reason why I dislike the concept of Grey Wardens.

Grey Wardens don't seem to be very heroic in that sense, most of them aren't like the warden, if you did a nice guy, and Alistair from Origins. Then again they would make alot of enemies if they do choose a side, and I'm sure they can't fight an entire country. Although we never actually know how many of them there are, but they must be relatively numerous if they can control the Anderfels, well sort.

Modifié par PPR223, 23 mars 2011 - 05:59 .

[Wereparrot]

Naitaka wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

PPR223 wrote...

Perhaps the Wardens know of the location of an Old God and are trying to beat the Darkspawn to it. Could be near the Ancient Thaig that we went through with Hawke. A little extreme, but an idea nonetheless.

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

The Qunari invasion is no real concern of the Wardens at all.

Of course it is. This particular Warden was caught up in it, like it or not. He should have fought.

He did fight, he defended himself. It was the correct decision to not get involved further by either calling for reinforcement or storm the keep with Hawke.

Regardless. He fought selfishly, only doing enough to defend himself. Why should he not have seen it through? I consider him a deserter. This is the very reason why I dislike the concept of Grey Wardens.

Huh? What? Who is he deserting? He's not a citizen of Kirkwall to begin with, why should he have "seen it through" when it was none of his business? If you have an issue with the whole Grey Warden neutrality, I can understand that, but know that it is necessary. What sane ruler would let an entire army of trained warriors with possible blood mages run amok in their country if they weren't politically neutral?

Does it matter? Put it like this: if I was in Paris and the city was attacked, then I would ally myself with the Parisians, despite not actually being French myself.

I understand why Grey Wardens as an order need to be neutral, of course, and this is my whole issue that they cannot even be used in defence; which is why, given the chance, I would exile the Grey Warden name, while hopefully integrating actual Wardens into the army so as to retain the fighting capability of the Wardens. 

[Naitaka]

Wereparrot wrote...

Does it matter? Put it like this: if I was in Paris and the city was attacked, then I would ally myself with the Parisians, despite not actually being French myself.

I understand why Grey Wardens as an order need to be neutral, of course, and this is my whole issue that they cannot even be used in defence; which is why, given the chance, I would exile the Grey Warden name, while hopefully integrating actual Wardens into the army so as to retain the fighting capability of the Wardens. 

I highly doubt the Warden would allow it given how closely they guard their secrets. Regardless, I agree that would be the most desirable out-come if you were a monarch in Thedas, I just don't see it happening any time soon. The Paris comparsion is moot though. You're not a member of a neutral organization who might have ties to both side of the forces.

Modifié par Naitaka, 23 mars 2011 - 06:18 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Wereparrot wrote...

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

Where do you think they get their supplies and stuff? The city, sillykins. There are plenty of perfectly ordinary reasons why a group of Grey Wardens would be in any given city. For all you know, they may have been scouting for recruits. Hell, is it ever even said where their headquarters is? It may be in the city itself, it's certainly near enough that Grace's cronies were able to abduct your sibling from there.

Incidentally, the Deep Roads are thick with darkspawn when they aren't massing on the surface. The Wardens would have to have a deathwish if they wanted to go down there... which is usually what they have when they do, incidentally. Bartrand's venture only made it as far as they did because they took the opportunity to venture into the Deep Roads before the hoard had completely returned to the depths after the Blight.

[Mykel54]

I also don´t understand why the grey wardens didn´t intervene, it is not like they get many recruits from the qunari, and defending the city would help them get support and better reputation for the order. It is as if a dragon attacked kirkwall, then the wardens said "sorry i am neutral i can´t help you" and leave. The grey wardens have no relations with the qunari that we know of (In origins sten says that he only knows legends). The only real reason that they may have for leaving is because they are in a hurry, so that if they stop to fight they don´t make it in time.

[Naitaka]

Mykel54 wrote...

I also don´t understand why the grey wardens didn´t intervene, it is not like they get many recruits from the qunari, and defending the city would help them get support and better reputation for the order. It is as if a dragon attacked kirkwall, then the wardens said "sorry i am neutral i can´t help you" and leave. The grey wardens have no relations with the qunari that we know of (In origins sten says that he only knows legends). The only real reason that they may have for leaving is because they are in a hurry, so that if they stop to fight they don´t make it in time.

I'd agree with you if the Qunari go "Errrrrgh...ARgggggghHHH" *huff* *huff* But well, they don't. Who's to say the next Blight won't start in Par Vollen? What are the Wardens going to do then when they were the one that help killed their Arishok?

[Nathan Redgrave]

Mykel54 wrote...

I also don´t understand why the grey wardens didn´t intervene, it is not like they get many recruits from the qunari, and defending the city would help them get support and better reputation for the order. It is as if a dragon attacked kirkwall, then the wardens said "sorry i am neutral i can´t help you" and leave. The grey wardens have no relations with the qunari that we know of (In origins sten says that he only knows legends). The only real reason that they may have for leaving is because they are in a hurry, so that if they stop to fight they don´t make it in time.

Wardens are supposed to remain neutral and concern themselves ONLY with fighting the darkspawn. This is a policy that dates back to their founding, where the original Wardens actually renounced their oaths to the Tevinter Imperium.

A dragon is a different story. A dragon is a monster. The Qunari are a society. I very much doubt the Wardens want the Qunari to be against them, either--it's not, as we know, as if Qunari themselves can never be allies of the order in the event that both find themselves in the path of a darkspawn incursion, remember?

It should also be mentioned that Rivain has a lot of "Qunari" (followers of the Qun) and the Wardens may have reason not to antagonize them, as well.

[apantoliani]

Grey Wardens do what needs to be done to further their cause. Fighting in Kirkwall wouldn't have done that, especially if they died and their task resulted in failure as a result - the message to Weisshaupt.

The Wardens isn't a do-gooder charity of people that always do the right thing, like Alistair might like people to think.

It is interesting to wonder what will happen to the Wardens once the 7th blight is over. Will they just cease to be? Assuming the darkspawn eventually die out afterwards, they wouldn't be able to make more anyway.

Would the Maker quit being pissed about Tevinter getting mud on his carpet?

[Wereparrot]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

Where do you think they get their supplies and stuff? The city, sillykins. There are plenty of perfectly ordinary reasons why a group of Grey Wardens would be in any given city. For all you know, they may have been scouting for recruits. Hell, is it ever even said where their headquarters is? It may be in the city itself, it's certainly near enough that Grace's cronies were able to abduct your sibling from there.

Incidentally, the Deep Roads are thick with darkspawn when they aren't massing on the surface. The Wardens would have to have a deathwish if they wanted to go down there... which is usually what they have when they do, incidentally. Bartrand's venture only made it as far as they did because they took the opportunity to venture into the Deep Roads before the hoard had completely returned to the depths after the Blight.

You're clutching at staws in your first paragragh and defending the Wardens from cowardice in the second, which is an accusation which I have not made. I think you are taking my statement too far. The Warden was in Kirkwall and I do not care why; I only know that my Hawke, and I, am disgusted by his stance.